Eric Bailly - English players were favoured
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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if he doesnt like it he shuld just leave are country 
"The United way"
Stay fit and don't be a liability babe xx
I mean its coming from a disgruntled employee so I'm not sure how reliable it is but as a fan I definitely got similar vibes.
If you weren't made of butter cookie you would've been favoured too sunshine.
He was always injured and on the rare occasions he was fit enough to play he was equally likely to put in a 1/10 performance as he was a 10/10 performance.
He has no room to complain.
He has no room to complain.
Is that a dig at Maguire?
Another little insight into why the dressing room was a mess last year.
We've done well to move a few like Bailly on, as well as benching a few under performers this year.
We've done well to move a few like Bailly on, as well as benching a few under performers this year.
Eric Bailly has suggested Manchester United picked players during his time at the club based on whether they were English rather than their talent.
Bailly, an Ivory Coast international defender, is on loan at Marseille from United. The 28-year-old featured just four times last season, while, for example, England international Harry Maguire kept his place despite struggling for form.
The defender has said he hopes Erik ten Hag will change the situation for foreign players.
“The club should avoid favouring English players and give everyone a chance,” said Bailly.
“The club should encourage competition in the dressing room, not just look out for some. I’ve always had the feeling that the national player was prioritised.
“That doesn’t happen at Chelsea or other big Premier League clubs. Some people take it for granted that they are going to start, and that weakens the team. Luckily [Erik] Ten Hag has a lot of character and I hope he can change that dynamic."
He brought a temporary end to his stay at United, which began when he joined from Villarreal in 2016, after Lisandro Martinez joined the club from Ajax. Rafael Varane and Maguire were also ahead of him in the pecking order.
Bailly, an Ivory Coast international defender, is on loan at Marseille from United. The 28-year-old featured just four times last season, while, for example, England international Harry Maguire kept his place despite struggling for form.
The defender has said he hopes Erik ten Hag will change the situation for foreign players.
“The club should avoid favouring English players and give everyone a chance,” said Bailly.
“The club should encourage competition in the dressing room, not just look out for some. I’ve always had the feeling that the national player was prioritised.
“That doesn’t happen at Chelsea or other big Premier League clubs. Some people take it for granted that they are going to start, and that weakens the team. Luckily [Erik] Ten Hag has a lot of character and I hope he can change that dynamic."
He brought a temporary end to his stay at United, which began when he joined from Villarreal in 2016, after Lisandro Martinez joined the club from Ajax. Rafael Varane and Maguire were also ahead of him in the pecking order.
He’s obviously referring to Ole and Maguire, particularly him starting Maguire against Leicester last season with question marks over his fitness, only for Maguire to go and subsequently embarrass himself and the team.
A lot of reports that Bailly and other players were unhappy with that decision.
A lot of reports that Bailly and other players were unhappy with that decision.
Not Totally true. When Maquire was 30 % fit and Bailly 100 %, Ole picked Maquire
I mean it's fairly obvious this was the case but Bailly was barely fit anyway.
Yep nothing to do with the fact that you're made out of glass. Or that for all your qualities, you'd have atleast one brain fart every game you played.
Forget about Harry Maguire, you couldn't get into the team ahead of Victor lindeloff.
He'd do well to shut up and get on with it.
Forget about Harry Maguire, you couldn't get into the team ahead of Victor lindeloff.
He'd do well to shut up and get on with it.
He has a point, but we also needed players who could go on a run without getting injured.
| 21/22 | Ankle Injury | 13 days | 4 |
| 20/21 | Corona virus | 20 days | 5 |
| 20/21 | Knock | 8 days | 2 |
| 20/21 | Knock | 10 days | 2 |
| 20/21 | Knock | 8 days | 2 |
| 20/21 | Muscle Injury | 44 days | 9 |
| 19/20 | Neck Injury | 5 days | 1 |
| 19/20 | Knee Surgery | 169 days | 32 |
| 18/19 | Knee Injury | 78 days | 2 |
| 18/19 | Head Injury | 34 days | 7 |
| 18/19 | Knock | 5 days | 1 |
| 18/19 | Back Injury | 4 days | 1 |
| 18/19 | Knock | 9 days | 1 |
| 17/18 | Ankle Injury | 100 days | 21 |
| 17/18 | Knock | 21 days | 5 |
Obviously talking about Maguire and Shaw.
Yes - I think there were some rumblings in the middle of last season on how Maguire was always starting despite his sub par performances.
Bailly has some legitimacies in his gripe, but his inability to stay fit and Maguire always being fit is a massive factor in the latter's selection.
He's absolutely right but thankfully that doesn't appear to be the case with ETH.
He might've been another Henderson in the dressing room last season but he also deserved to feature more when Maguire was making mistakes almost every game.
It might be an issue, but it certainly wasnt the reason he wasnt starting.. he has plenty of mistakes in him. He cant be trusted. Also, he is a bit of a crock.
There is a reason no other club came in for him despite him being on the market for a small-ish fee.
There is a reason no other club came in for him despite him being on the market for a small-ish fee.
Tbf to Bailly I think he'd deserved more chances when he was actually fit, to get some consistency. He was seldom fit though.
Wouldn't be a surprise. But then again Bailly doesn't really have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to arguing his case.
Bailly had his chances with us. It's not the English players fault he couldn't stay fit.
He points out at Maguire being preferred without naming him. Maguire was preferred time and time again last season when his form and fitness were poor.
People who are not born in the UK, but who live and work in the UK, are fully entitled to criticise any aspect of living here, without the bigoted cry of "why dont you just leave the country then?"if he doesnt like it he shuld just leave are country
I agree with him. Things seem to be changing with Ten Hag though, which is good.
You don't have to bring his injury record to the mix. Think his point is very valid - we were a mess last year. Maguire always played even with injuries . Noone had balls to bench that underperforming defence which included Maguire, Shaw, AWB .
Could he have been the replacement? Probably not - as he himself has been very underperforming for very long time. But the point stands.
Could he have been the replacement? Probably not - as he himself has been very underperforming for very long time. But the point stands.
As if you took that seriously
He has a point, Maguire was shown preference over others last season, however if I were him, I'd be doing a bit more reflection on as to why I wasn't trusted to play over a shite/injured Maguire. A big clue is that it has nothing to do with where you were born
People will hold his condition against him, but it definitely doesn't seem like he is wrong. It was also reported that Ole's "cultural reset" gave priority to English talents, thus Wan-Bissaka. Remains to be seen if this changes under Ten Hag regarding the preferential treatment.
Gotem
With all the talk about his injuries, he is not wrong though about the English players. He was on the bench a lot watching Maguire ruining our season last year.
Well you do since that's reason he didn't play. Had he been consistently fit he'd have played, he wasn't so he didn't.
Most likely reference to Maguire than anybody else.
Nuff saidif he doesnt like it he shuld just leave are country
Or indeed, for most of an average football season.
This. Maguire has his faults obviously but one of his biggest assets is being able to play 50 games in a season. In an perfect world, underperforming players get dropped but as mentioned many times Bailly himself just wasn't reliable enough. Hence he was also being Lindelofe.
I think players from our youth team should be favoured (but not to the extent they are undroppable). That's what being a footie club is about.
Maguire and Shaw isn't from our youth team though, and should have been treated like the rest.
Maguire and Shaw isn't from our youth team though, and should have been treated like the rest.
Telles and Dalot came in for most of the latter part of last season and rashford was dropped for Elanga - we were still shit. Maguire was also dropped for Lindelof a few times - such as Brighton when we lost 4-0.
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