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Foden?This rat
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Foden?This rat
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I am intrigued.This rat
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He can't even scream. The poor lad got blamed for two things he never does.Martial can walk?
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Crazy innit.Wait, what? Did you just give Ten Hag credit for Rashford’s season last year and absolve him of blame for his poor season this year?
And that was because the team properly executed Ten Hag’s tactics last year (4-2-3-1) but not this year (4-3-3)? So Rashford is just a passenger of destiny, he has no responsibility for his performances. But also, Ten Hag has no accountability for the performances in his 4-3-3 this year because the team is not/refuses to execute the way it was designed.
‘For fecks sake, it is a ****.
He can't even scream. The poor lad got blamed for two things he never does.
It’s a bit backwards, it’s as if they expect elite athletes to be super human.Not surprising. No smoke without fire and all that. Of course I'm sure most here will just resort to the usual clichés like "lazy players don't want to put in a shift".
In English, we can blame him means he is accountable. Our tactics from last year to this formation wise haven't changed too much and now a days those formations in particular are two sides of the same coin, so I haven't the slightest clue what you're on about there either. It's not a ****, it's just posters that know more football than you.Wait, what? Did you just give Ten Hag credit for Rashford’s season last year and absolve him of blame for his poor season this year?
And that was because the team properly executed Ten Hag’s tactics last year (4-2-3-1) but not this year (4-3-3)? So Rashford is just a passenger of destiny, he has no responsibility for his performances. But also, Ten Hag has no accountability for the performances in his 4-3-3 this year because the team is not/refuses to execute the way it was designed.
‘For fecks sake, it is a ****.
Rashford thrived last season because a system that relies on quick passes between the lines allowed him more space to be isolated on the wing as well as allowing our midfielders time to look up and see his runs cutting in between the full backs and the center backs. Because we played with more energy overall we won the ball back more frequently to keep him more engaged in the match, and while he drifted here and there without the ball, he was definitely more proactive in his movement, and that makes a big difference as defenders know they need to be aware of him at all times when he's engaged in the match. Because we put more pressure on the ball collectively and defended higher up the pitch (staple of most progressive systems) he didn't have to constantly sprint up and down the pitch. The tactical requirements haven't changed, it's still a system that relies on proactive movement without the ball and defending higher up the pitch by not only harassing the opposing player with the ball, but working to cut off passing lanes. What we've seen a lot of this season is some pressure on the ball without working to cut off passing lanes, and that's down to the collective work rate. Rashford isn't a player that's going to stay engaged when the collective energy of the team is low, and because we haven't been winning the ball back in midfield with as much frequency, he's had far less opportunities to go at defenses that are scrambling to get back into shape, and when our players are not proactive without the ball, there's less quick passes between the lines making our midfielders a lot easier to mark.Crazy innit.
Not surprising. No smoke without fire and all that. Of course I'm sure most here will just resort to the usual clichés like "lazy players don't want to put in a shift".
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We’ve never seen anything as bad as 7-0 yo Liverpool. NeverThey most certainly do get dismissed. I'm assuming post-PSG right up until Bruno came in, was as bad as anything we've seen under ETH.
The last two matches under Ole against Liverpool could have ended worse than 7-0 as we didn’t turn up at all. The first half of the 7-0 was a fairly even match in which we created chances.We’ve never seen anything as bad as 7-0 yo Liverpool. Never
This has been reported heavily since last season. We don't train a system and when we do train it's intense running drills to improve conditioning. Yet people are conveniently ignoring the fact Ten Hag has said this multiple times and instead want to bang on about how unlucky we've been with injuries that's he's causing!Tweet
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They didn’t. This did. Full stop.The last two matches under Ole against Liverpool could have ended worse than 7-0 as we didn’t turn up at all. The first half of the 7-0 was a fairly even match in which we created chances.
A severely depleted Brighton kept them to 5 shots and about 30% possession. Give ETH that Brighton team tonight and he'd get them relegated, I can almost guarantee it.Lewis Dunk saying how they played well tonight restricting Brentford to no shots on goal. This is all we need to inform us how utterly useless ETH is with his set up and application to PL football. We are a laughing stock on a weekly basis.
So now we’re narrowing it down to the score because that suits our argument. The 7-0 was just one of a plethora of examples that clearly show the issues with this squad are more intangible than technical.They didn’t. This did. Full stop.
It’s fecking rediculous he is still our manager. I’m still amazed so many on here support him still when we look at the sides he puts out (still very good) and play so utterly shit. This comment for Dunk alone should get him sacked, let alone the horse shit he has served up for so long.A severely depleted Brighton kept them to 5 shots and about 30% possession. Give ETH that Brighton team tonight and he'd get them relegated, I can almost guarantee it.
According to this thread we must have loaned Martinez to Brighton. The injury is a cover up.A severely depleted Brighton kept them to 5 shots and about 30% possession. Give ETH that Brighton team tonight and he'd get them relegated, I can almost guarantee it.
No im saying that the lows under ETH have been lower than Oles lows.So now we’re narrowing it down to the score because that suits our argument. The 7-0 was just one of a plethora of examples that clearly show the issues with this squad are more intangible than technical.
And those defeats did not come almost immediately after winning a cup, while in form, positivity abound. They came when Ole was already limping on 1 leg.They didn’t. This did. Full stop.
Ole's issues were always a general lack of repeatable structure. Both building from the back (we didn't have a clue how so it ended up being "give it to Pogba and hope he does something worldly"), and going forward it was quite off the cuff. Ten Hag's different in that his issues are that his actual coaching and methods of structure fecking suck. It's quite clear what we are trying to do in each phase (as opposed to Ole where you wondered what we even did pre match apart from working on counters), but what we are trying to do now is so clearly ineffective and suicidal which might honestly be worse than a coach that doesn't have a clear structure, because in this instance there's is a complete unwillingness to adapt or worse an acceptance with the current style. Any decent manager you'd think could see that pressing ultra high with 5, going man for man in the middle, and sitting the back line deep both isn't well suited to our squad and also hasn't worked almost the entire year. Yet we persist game after game with it, and then wonder why we continuously see the same results (regardless of who is fit or injured) in the general run of play. On top of that, assuming this style is pretty close to what Ten Hag envisioned for how he wished to play, we didn't buy at ALL well for that level of physical robustness that a team would need for this style. For what we do to even come close to being consistently effective we'd need a squad full of athletic runners all over the place to go toe to toe with anyone in the league for PnP. Instead a large majority of our transfers have been closer to the opposite, with only Hojlund and Mount fitting that description.Ole's worst run got him deservedly sacked but it was never as consistently bad as the football Ten Hag has served up this season.
Even in the 'pre Bruno' spell under Ole, statistically we were one of the better sides in the league, just lacked quality attackers. The last game before Bruno being a 0-2 loss to Burnley where we had 24 shots to their 5 and 73% possession.
Which is why it's so maddening that many just shrug their shoulders and blame injuries. I've seen many Championship sides put up better performances than that yet we have an entire squad full of players that would walk into the Championship and start at almost every position even today. The fact that it's deemed acceptable just because Martinez or Shaw is fecking hurt is laughable.Ignoring the end result, I'm not sure there was a worse performance than our recent one vs Brentford post-SAF. It was that bad. There were bad performances under Moyes, LVG, Jose and Ole too obviously. But Brentford dominated us to such an extent, you'd probably think we were a side from league 1 playing title contenders. It was deplorable in every aspect.
And then no matter what, ETH did oversee our worst result in modern history. I honestly think he should have been sacked then. Hindsight is 20-20, but losing 7-0 to Liverpool was just unacceptable. He didn't have any goodwill to survive that kind of result. And since then, we have been a calamity in results and performances.
Incredible. And all this in a season where the three promoted sides are all significantly poorer than usual too.We are now sitting 14th in xPts. That's not a typo. 14th in xPTs. The last time I checked before, we were 12th. So, we are regressing even more with our performances.
No you cant. This season has been shit but ETH has done well every other season of his career. He might do worse than De Zerbi and De Zerbi could very well be a better coach/manager but ETH isnt a clueless manager like some pretend he is. He makes mistakes and the football has been shit for quite a while now but you dont go from one of the 'hottest' managers in Europe to a Steven Gerrard quality of manager.A severely depleted Brighton kept them to 5 shots and about 30% possession. Give ETH that Brighton team tonight and he'd get them relegated, I can almost guarantee it.
Villas Boas won the treble with Porto and was labeled the next Mourinho.He makes mistakes and the football has been shit for quite a while now but you dont go from one of the 'hottest' managers in Europe to a Steven Gerrard quality of manager.
My feeling is that the urgency isn't there until they feel it a little in their paypacket. It feels like most players have been coming to the club in recent years for a good salary rather than sporting success. A culture likely set by Woodward and co. when he was at the helm.Who tends to up their level when their wages are docked? And if that assertion was correct, don't you think that those people would up their level in order to not have their wages reduced?
And who are these players that prevent the club from pointing in the right direction? This season the obvious issue is tactical and it was obvious in preseason, it's a boneheaded setup that would only work if players had teleportation devices. Unless the players are somehow not following the coach instructions while also following a very specific set of instructions, which I would assume they made up themselves, game after game since preseason, I suspect that they are doing their bit the way the coaching staff instructed it.
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i knew he would come up!Villas Boas won the treble with Porto and was labeled the next Mourinho.
No one, which makes it it odd why some think ETH deserves a third season, largely based off his first season.Who said it was miraculous?
The quote comes from the pre-match press conferenceYeah, that centredevils twitter is a pile of shite.
They could say Ten Hag has given in to sucking Jim off or giving him a rusty trombone in order to save his job and people would still believe it.
There's quite some middle ground between bad and miraculous.No one, which makes it it odd why some think ETH deserves a third season, largely based off his first season.
Agreed, I just don't see how last seasons performances gives him enough credit in the bank to justify keeping him for next season, given how this season has gone. Injuries are a factor but the lack of progress in terms of performances and style of play to me is the biggest concern. We don't look like a team that is missing a killer up front or a team that needs to cut out defensive mistakes, our performances in general look flawed systematically which is a bigger concern.There's quite some middle ground between bad and miraculous.
All I'm disagreeing on is the reasons behind what's happening. It's a results oriented business which is why I've said 100 times he should be sacked if the results don't improve, but there's a group of posters who don't understand that what we saw against Brentford from our players doesn't meet the minimal standards required of professional football, let alone at a club like United, and it's been like that all season. The idea that players don't work without the ball because of tactics just lacks any nuanced understanding of the sport. More importantly, it's indicative of the standard that has been set at the club, and sacking the manager won't change those standards.No im saying that the lows under ETH have been lower than Oles lows.
and I put that mostly down to being stubborn about the midfield system. When you get to 4-0 down against Liverpool you should try and save face but he didn’t, he stuck with it
btw I’m not hugely ETH out or in. But he shouldn’t be protected from criticism, and rightly so. The football is by and large huge and only pure luck has us where we are. Teams with more clinical finishing would have buried us this season