Erling Haaland | Dortmund player

[Brwned]

Second goal:

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Damn. Crazy speed combined with impeccable composure and effortless finishing.

 

[VorZakone]

The ease with which he scores at that age is something else.

 

[Dve]

Highly doubt he would be scoring 5 goals in 60 minutes if he came here.

And this has been pointed out as the most important reason why he (and his dad) chose Dortmund. He felt he could achieve more together with their offensive set-up, i.e. with Sancho in the team. I think for Haaland himself, money or contract clauses were of less importance. He said he went with this gut feeling. It Probable didn´t do any harm that Dortmund directed a charm offensive towards him, including Dortmund players sending him messages, trying to lure him to the club. Making him feel welcome. United´s card was Ole, but not enough, all the time managers come and go.

 

[GledTheRed]

I bet he doesn't leave for 50 million in 2023, he will sign a new contract doubling his wages either removing or increasing the release clause.

 

[El Zoido]

Let’s be honest, he made the right career move. Good luck to the lad, seems like a great talent.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Raiola lining up the move to Juventus/Bayern/Madrid/PSG as we speak.

Think he has two big money moves in him. Can't believe how low his release clause is!

 

[One Night Only]

Think he has two big money moves in him. Can't believe how low his release clause is!

It's so he can easily move next season then do it again a couple years later

 

[WR10]

So he's slamming in a goal every 10 minutes. The kid has a Ronaldo-level obsession with goal hunting.

 

[Acrobat7]

You do understand that both Barca and Real have buyout clauses for every single one of their players don't you? I've actually never heard of a english club ever had one

Well, they are obligated to. It’s not their choice. And ever since the Neymar fiasco they have been adjusted upwards a lot at Real, Barca and throughout the league.

 

[izec]

I bet he doesn't leave for 50 million in 2023, he will sign a new contract doubling his wages either removing or increasing the release clause.

Probably doubling both the wages and the release clause. Both parties would gain from it. He will get a big move in a few years anyway with his record.

 

[Mr.Marty]

Hope he continues doing great and join Real Madrid and play along with fellow man Odegaard

 

[GledTheRed]

Probably doubling both the wages and the release clause. Both parties would gain from it. He will get a big move in a few years anyway with his record.

Yep but we are Man United and we won't bow to such demands. fecking dumbass Woodward the cnut!

 

[el3mel]

Well I guess Bayern now have secured their option to replace Lewa in the future. Lucky feckers.

 

[Bebestation]

Would Bayern go for Werner or Haaland?

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Sucks for us, but he made the right move for his career and I don't blame him one bit. He's reaping the rewards for making a smart career move. Fair play to him. If he'd come to us he'd have 0 goals in 2 games.

 

[Sayros]

The amount of times United is referenced whenever this kid does something is pretty incredible. It's as if United had him locked and just decided to reject him. He chose Dortmund, United gave it a try, who cares how the story was spun? He's at Dortmund now for the next year or two, and he will most likely go to Barcelona next, while Mbappe goes to Real Madrid. It will be fun to see those two over the next decade.

 

[Handré1990]

Sucks for us, but he made the right move for his career and I don't blame him one bit. He's reaping the rewards for making a smart career move. Fair play to him. If he'd come to us he'd have 0 goals in 2 games.

And probably injured already.

 

[MikeKing]

This guy is a bonafide maniac. His abilities is absolutely preposterous for such a young player, and to be built like he is on top of it.

 

[Prometheus]

Can’t believe what I’m seeing really. His movement off the ball is something else, it’s like he’s being controlled by someone with a full overview of the pitch.

Indeed. I think he has an immaculate concentration.

 

[Cassidy]

We should have signed him and specified terms for the clause. Silly given what happened when Martial was out and knowing Rashford had been playing through pain.

 

[Samid]

19 years old

 

[VorZakone]

Are we witnessing the new Ronaldo?

 

[TMDaines]

Think he has two big money moves in him. Can't believe how low his release clause is!

His release clause is low, but you're not really appreciating how his next transfer is intended to work and how players are now seizing power back from elite clubs. United can make a Cm offer in summer 2020 and pay the release clause, but it means feck all unless you offer Haaland and his agent the terms and the fees they want to execute it. It's basically a new form of co-ownership. Rather than Raiola, Haaland and his father owning Haaland's playing rights, they remain in control of his destiny but signing contracts where his club is contractually undervaluing him with them retaining the rest of his value through the power they hold

You want to sign Haaland next, should he be successful over the next 18 months? You're looking at €60m to Dortmund, another €40m to Raiola, probably a similar fee to Haaland, as well as basic wages of €350,000 per week.

You're going to find fewer elite superstars signing long term contracts with clubs without exit clauses unless you offer them astronomical contracts. Players and their agents are not going to allow the transfer market to be dictated by £100m+ transfer fees, when the alternative is for them to absorb the income by carefully holding the balance of power by signing selective contracts.

 

[TMDaines]

I bet he doesn't leave for 50 million in 2023, he will sign a new contract doubling his wages either removing or increasing the release clause.

Dortmund wouldn't be able to afford any offer that he would be advised to sign. They know that they are essentially leasing him for a couple of years.

 

[riis]

No way is he going to average 2 goals per game all season. If he gets 1 goal average then that is great.

Surely his 16 goals from the Austrian league would count towards his season total, which would be worth 12 goals in Germany and taking his total to 17, 6 behind Immobile in Italy.

 

[Balljy]

Are we witnessing the new Ronaldo?

To be honest, no. He isn't comparable in any way to an early Ronaldo or Messi and has nothing like the touch or skill they showed at that age. Good goal as it was, he hasn't got anything like the poise and balance those two showed. He could become a fantastic long-term goalscorer which we'll regret not buying quite easily though.

 

[NewGlory]

Are those people who claimed we were too good to meet his demands still sticking to their guns? In our current, shite state - how are we even as good as Dortmund, let alone better club, and why would it be below us to accept something Dortmund accepted? I mean - seriously, all the bullshit aside. Even if he was going to leave in 3 years, would it not have been worth it? And if we returned to old glory, in part with his help, why would he force exit?

In short - where the feck was any logic in us missing out on him?

Indeed. I think he has an immaculate concentration.

Yeap, and ice cold nerves. Pretty good technique too. Not a bad trifecta.

 

[elnorte]

To be honest, no. He isn't comparable in any way to an early Ronaldo or Messi and has nothing like the touch or skill they showed at that age. Good goal as it was, he hasn't got anything like the poise and balance those two showed. He could become a fantastic long-term goalscorer which we'll regret not buying quite easily though.

Aguero or Suarez level?

 

[Sayros]

Are those people who claimed we were too good to meet his demands still sticking to their guns? In our current, shite state - how are we even as good as Dortmund, let alone better club, and why would it be below us to accept something Dortmund accepted? I mean - seriously, all the bullshit aside. Even if he was going to leave in 3 years, would it not have been worth it? And if we returned to old glory, in part with his help, why would he force exit?

In short - where the feck was any logic in us missing out on him?

Delusions of grandeur.

 

[roonster09]

In short - where the feck was any logic in us missing out on him?

If the player was ready to sign for us and we rejected him, then we can search for logic and reasons. When it was battle between 3-4 clubs and he picked the club that is best for him, there is nothing much we can do about it. Football world doesn't revolve around ManUtd as much as few ManUtd fans and English media wants us to believe.

I don't understand the obsession, player rejects the clubs. It happens all the time but for some reason ManUtd fans are like obsessed ex who just can't move on from failed transfers. Maybe the current league position is playing the big role.

 

[Pscholes18]

Was best move for him but ffs frustrating....he'll never play for Utd.

 

[Samid]

Are those people who claimed we were too good to meet his demands still sticking to their guns? In our current, shite state - how are we even as good as Dortmund, let alone better club, and why would it be below us to accept something Dortmund accepted? I mean - seriously, all the bullshit aside. Even if he was going to leave in 3 years, would it not have been worth it? And if we returned to old glory, in part with his help, why would he force exit?

In short - where the feck was any logic in us missing out on him?

Sums up how gullible a lot of this fanbase is. Woodward briefed the press that 'we backed out because we were never going to be held hostage'. These deluded fans are treating that as gospel and chest-thumping because 'we are not a stepping stone'.

What they're failing to comprehend is if there is any truth in those briefings then we basically snubbed one of the hottest properties in a position we desperately needed strengthening... for pride. And now we're scraping the barrel in the search for a short term option in that very position. Where's that pride now?

For what it's worth I think the reality is that he rejected us, not the other way around. I hope most people can see right through this face saving embarrassment from the specialist in failure.

 

[croadyman]

Was best move for him but ffs frustrating....he'll never play for Utd.

Yeah painful as it is to admit he has made the best move for his career rather than going somewhere with a very toxic and poisonous atmosphere which is not a good place to develop for someone right now. Shame that we are going to end up being left with a striker who isn't good enough to get games at another club.

 

[NewGlory]

If the player was ready to sign for us and we rejected him, then we can search for logic and reasons. When it was battle between 3-4 clubs and he picked the club that is best for him, there is nothing much we can do about it. Football world doesn't revolve around ManUtd as much as few ManUtd fans and English media wants us to believe.

I don't understand the obsession, player rejects the clubs. It happens all the time but for some reason ManUtd fans are like obsessed ex who just can't move on from failed transfers. Maybe the current league position is playing the big role.

If we offered the same deal and he still chose Dortmund - then yes, you are right, but if the reports that we just didn't want to offer the same deal – because we thought giving him the same deal was beneath us – then we fecked up, and it's OK to say that we fecked up. We cannot know which one is true, but a bunch of posters said it was indeed beneath us to offer the same deal, which is what my comment was all about.

 

[Isotope]

That drive, that powers, that finishing. Exactly the type of striker United need to have.

 

[roonster09]

If we offered the same deal and he still chose Dortmund - then yes, you are right, but if the reports that we just didn't want to offer the same deal – because we thought giving him the same deal was beneath us – then we fecked up, and it's OK to say that we fecked up. We cannot know which one is true, but a bunch of posters said it was indeed beneath us to offer the same deal, which is what my comment was all about.

What do you mean by same deal, wages or the rumored release clause?

There was plenty of reports (from German media who were ahead of others) weeks before he signed saying he will sign for Dortmund. Maybe he agreed to sign for Dortmund long back and that is why Ole went to meet him personally.

Shame football leaks don't hack the documents anymore.

I find it weird that instead of appreciating and enjoying the player, people just moan about the club in every thread. It is very logical to believe that Haaland rejected us as he felt Dortmund are good for his development. Going by their record with attacking players, it makes sense from player point of view too.

 

[Isotope]

I'm curious on why we showed interest only when Riola started to get involved, or Dortmund approached. Why not before?

 

[MileStolar]

Of course I understand that buyout clauses have negative consequences for clubs and I also fully understand that elite clubs are willing to pay higher wages in order to compensate players for not having one. However, I'm speaking of this particular case, not the general one.

For me, your arguments ultimately come down to pride and pride is generally speaking a bad advisor when doing business. Assuming that Haaland generally preferred you over Dortmund, the choice for you was between signing him with a buyout option or not signing him at all. You guys think "we're Manchester United. Barcelona and Madrid don't grant players buyout clauses and we are also a big club, so why should we?" when you should actually be asking "why can Madrid and Barcelona sign those players without clauses and we can't?"I know it's a bitter pill to swallow but at the very moment, you don't have this third option of paying higher wages and not grant buyout clauses at all anymore. You are all like "Dortmund is a selling club, we aren't" when the whole point of being a "selling club" is that you develop players of a quality you otherwise wouldn't get your hands on. And that's exactly the problem you're having: The elite isn't willing to sign for you any longer. If a player nowadays plans his career, you aren't his ultimate destination. You may be considered as an intermediate stop but not the club he wants to spend his prime years at. Acting like a top club doesn't automatically make you one. Imagine a random small club would just copy that behaviour and in negotiations with a highly promising youngster would say "no, we won't give you a buyout clause. Sign for us without one or sign for someone else." This would just come across as silly. You can only play that card when you actually have the position of strength necessary for it and United IMO lacks this international standing.

In essence, you are still acting like you're one of the absolute top clubs when you actually aren't any longer. My point is that instead of refusing reality you should accept your current position and think of a way to regain your previous status. And for that, Haaland would've been a great signing. You argue "we develop him for 2 years and then he signs for City and Liverpool? Nah." but you'd have sorted out your striker problems for 2.5 years with a guy who's already good enough to lead the line at a top club and guarantee you 20+ goals a season and if he eventually leaves then this sends a signal into the world that improves your reputation as a good place to develop for young players. And in the meantime of those 2.5 years you'd have time to scout a successor for Haaland without pressure. And if he really leaves for one of your biggest rivals, what's the problem? If he goes there after spending 1.5 or 2.5 years at Dortmund, you'll get the same result.

So in the end, all of your issues with this deal are of symbolic nature. I don't get this kind of thinking. Imagine for once that you applied the same strategic approach Dortmund is currently applying. Take a step back, build up a young, talented squad and sign players like Hakimi, Sancho, Haaland, Brandt, Dembele, etc. and don't block their development by having (or signing) experienced players in your squad that may be just a little bit better right now but ultimately have a much lower ceiling. Over 1-2 years, you'd assemble an extremely talented squad with a great promising player in every position, pretty much like Dortmund has now. The only difference is, you have the financial prowess Dortmund lacks. That means you have much better chances of actually retaining those players. Imagine Dortmund could go into negotiations with Sancho, offer twice his salary and say that the strategy for the upcoming years is to hold this squad together, spend big on another two or three top stars and ultimately challenge for big titles. You certainly could. Of course one or two of those players would still leave but that doesn't matter, a club can compensate that. Liverpool also lost Coutinho who seemed irreplaceable for quite a while. And they lost Sterling to City. That's part of the business, everyone has to go through it.

Thing is, you want to make the second step before the first. You want to avoid the uncomfortable part and you are doing that for far too long already, essentially making matters worse.

What are you up to these days, I heard United are in a need for DOF...

 

[tenpoless]

I'm curious on why we showed interest only when Riola started to get involved, or Dortmund approached. Why not before?

We are simple club, We see a player wanting to leave, We try to get him. Outside of that We do nothing.

 

[Isotope]

We are simple club, We see a player wanting to leave, We try to get him. Outside of that We do nothing.

Yeh. It looks like the Club is always reactive, never pro-active. You'd think that Ole would know this Norwegian gem before a club from Germany knew.