Erling Haaland | Dortmund player

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Zehner said:
Football is a short lived business. Milan can't attract the best players anymore, just like you, and it has nothing to do with the league. Doesn't mean you can't get back to the top in people's perceptions very quickly, like Liverpool and partly Inter this season proved. But right now? I think there are at least seven clubs in the world a player would prefer to you as his ultimate career station (Barca, Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool, City, Juventus, PSG). If one of those clubs really wants a player and has a free position for him, not a chance ypu'd beat them to his sigming. And as a young, developing player, there are also like a dozen clubs with better reputation than you - like Haaland just proved.

Another thing is, for most clubs out there you can identify a strategy. You know the perspective. Exemplarily Madrid, which has a world class talent in almost every position. But United.. there doesn't seem to be an overarching idea except from spending fortunes for overhyped players at the worst possible moments.
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Sanchez, Fred, Maguire since 2018 Jan. How it worked is for different thread, at least should have lost Sanchez to them.

Haaland proved nothing, just like any 1 transfer doesn't prove anything. All it did was player wanted to move to Bundesliga before moving to bigger club which is better for his development.
 

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Acrobat7 said:
You do realize that it is the least competitive ‘big‘ league this season, right?
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You do know PL will have 4 winners in last 4 5 seasons right?

In other leagues, it's completely dominated by 1 club for close to decade.
 

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hasanejaz88 said:
That's BS. Suarez was never thought of as a guaranteed world class talent like Sancho is being considered now. He was talented but not nearly thought to reach the heights he has gone to. Their decline through the 90's was reflected in their signings such as when we were signing Veron, one of the world's most highly regarded midfielders, they were signing Gary McAllister.

Even now with Liverpool at the top of Europe, the base of this success has come not from signing generational talents who wanted to flood themselves to Liverpool, but rather from young players of whom none were considered to be the best youngsters in the world. Firmino had multiple years playing for a midtable club in Germany, Salah was considered a failed talent after his spell at Chelsea, Mane was considered a risk by people here and not a world class talent, Robertson the same.

So, yes, years of mediocrity will have a impact on us eventually and our history will only keep us relevant to the top players up until a certain point in time.
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Yeah that's a good point and this is something I said it many times and IIRC even in this thread. Not many clubs built their success by signing hyped players, they built their success by signing right players.

People act as if failing to sign 1 youngster has some hidden meaning when every club has failed transfers, even the one competing at the top of league and CL.

Things change quickly in football, very quickly. You need to appoint good coach for that. Good coach with couple of good transfers will completely transform this side.
 

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Spurs vs Villa. Who saw the high line defence of Villa in the 93rd min that led to the winner? If that were to be Haaland scoring that, it would have been one of the evidence of being a weak league defensively
 

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kaiser1 said:
Spurs vs Villa. Who saw the high line defence of Villa in the 93rd min that led to the winner? If that were to be Haaland scoring that, it would have been one of the evidence of being a weak league defensively
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It was against a newly promoted team, currently 1 point above the relegation places and statistically the worst defence in the league. Even despite that, came about because of a stupid individual error under no pressure.

Hardly representative of the quality of defending generally.
 

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It was against a newly promoted team, currently 1 point above the relegation places and statistically the worst defence in the league. Even despite that, came about because of a stupid individual error under no pressure.

Hardly representative of the quality of defending generally.
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Haaland scoring in similar scenarios vs newly promoted Union Berlin, lower table Augsburg and Koln became representative of the Bundesliga. Read the earlier pages on this same thread and a reason to open this
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-to-make-of-die-bundesliga.453270/

If it was Haaland who scored that Spurs goal vs a bottom Bundesliga team we will have a 5 page conversation on how Bundesliga defence are highline, and defenders make stupid individual mistakes
 

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kaiser1 said:
Haaland scoring in similar scenarios vs newly promoted Union Berlin, lower table Augsburg and Koln became representative of the Bundesliga. Read the earlier pages on this same thread and a reason to open this
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-to-make-of-die-bundesliga.453270/

If it was Haaland who scored that Spurs goal vs a bottom Bundesliga team we will have a 5 page conversation on how Bundesliga defence are highline, and defenders make stupid individual mistakes
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Defenders make stupid mistakes in every team. Toby who has been one of the best defenders in the league overall since arriving scored a fecking stupid own goal in the same match. Villa's high line also was ridiculously stupid, considering Moura, Son and Bergwijn were three of our attacking players. It goes along with their naivety and the fact they've conceded the most goals in the league.

I don't know why some fans of other leagues get so worked up when someone makes any comment or criticism of their league's style. Either they must think that every league is essentially identical, in style and quality or that the PL is inferior to these other leagues.
 

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africanspur said:
It was against a newly promoted team, currently 1 point above the relegation places and statistically the worst defence in the league. Even despite that, came about because of a stupid individual error under no pressure.

Hardly representative of the quality of defending generally.
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Never mind the fact that the bundesliga constantly have their fullbacks in front of the attackers whilst the Premier league ones are much well placed to be behind them so they have to take them on atleast most of the time. Literally every game in the bundesliga the centre backs are left defending 2 vs 2 or 2 vs 3 because the wing backs are completely lost, too wide in comparison to the centre of defence so the wingers have acres of space to create chances.

Wingers scoring goals literally taking over no body, setting up goals by walking in to wider areas where no one defends and sending the ball in to a 2 man defence where a striker runs to. Rinse and repeat.
 

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Given PSG's defense, he might feast tomorrow. The problem is, PSG will most likely feast on the other end as well. I can't wait for tomorrow's game, it should be a nightmare for both team's goalkeepers.
 

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What a player we could have had were it not for Raiola/if we had any ambition and appointed a good manager last summer.
 

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He must be having one of the best run of forms in history the past few months
 

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He's so good. He's got pace to burn, hold up play, positioning, finishing, as complete a striker you can get at that age. Quite envious.
 

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So he's got 39 goals in 29 appearances this season. Of course most of them have been for Salzburg, but he's scoring at an even more impressive rate since joining Dortmund. Insane talent.
 

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What a player we could have had were it not for Raiola/if we had any ambition and appointed a good manager last summer.
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Only one of those two reasons are why he's not a United player and it's got nothing to do with our manager
 
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