ESPN: Amorim prioritising, Pace, Power and Atheticism this summer

[McLvnsMuse]

With the level of defending in PL, which apparently comprises teams comparable to or better than peak AC Milan of the 90s, they would struggle miserably you’d expect. Probably a top 5 team but not scoring much and struggling with immense physicality and pace.

Can’t tell if you’re trolling or not. As is, they will naturally need to acclimatize a little but saying the current European Champions will “struggle” is a big stretch. They beat 3 of the top 6 clubs en route to the final.

 

[Mingus]

You can add Ugarte to that too, because he is both technically deficient and he lacks physicality because he barely lasts an hour of PL games, I think most people do not trust the football structure to make the right moves on players, because the 2 players signed or rumoured to be their signing have been well to put it nicely a bit shit

I think Ugarte has probably been carrying an injury towards the end of the season. One of his previous coaches nicknamed him 7 lungs for his relentless stamina.

 

[AdNani]

How many windows have we had under previous managers and we haven’t sign one specialist passer.

Previous managers have nothing to do with this window though?

 

[witchtrials]

People see the title and assume that Amorim intends to transform us into a team reminiscent of Stoke under Pulis.

I seriously doubt that this will be the outcome. While those three attributes will be prioritised, it will not be at the cost of technical ability.

That's not really prioritising then, is it?

 

[DJ_21]

Previous managers have nothing to do with this window though?

That’s not true actually. We’re in this mess because previous managers signed players such as Onana, who we now want to sell. Hojlund who we now want to sell. Casemiro who was to old and we now need to replace, Eriksen who now needs replacing… this list can go on. It all comes down to previously.

 

[AdNani]

That’s not true actually. We’re in this mess because previous managers signed players such as Onana, who we now want to sell. Hojlund who we now want to sell. Casemiro who was to old and we now need to replace, Eriksen who now needs replacing… this list can go on. It all comes down to previously.

Thats not what you said though, I was saying just because previous managers targeted certain players doesn't mean this summer will be the same, all the players we've been linked to make us a better team physically as well as raising the technical level of the team.

Everyone knows the recruitment has been poor previously

 

[lysglimt]

It's perfectly possible for United with a net spend of £70-80 to turn us into solid top-5 contenders again - but it requires that we at least get 4-5 out of 7-8 summer signings right - and it requires that we get a huge bid for Bruno that we accept. If we even sell Bayindir - we have to get a cheap experienced goalkeeper or recall Vitek

Onana out for £20 mil - we sign a new keeper for £35-40 million
No new central defenders signed - we have 5 including Martinez - and Mazraioui and Shaw can play there - as well as Fredricson. Without European football - that will have to do

We need to sign one wingback on the right - fee £35-40 million

Central midfield - with Bruno gone we must sign a minimum of 2 central midfielders - 3 if we even sell Mainoo - the fee for Bruno should cover 2 central midfielders and if we sell Mainoo, the fee for him should cover a new midfielder. So here we break even.

We sell Rashford, Sancho, Højlund, Garnacho and Antony for a combined fee of £160 million (Rashford £40m, Sancho £25m, Højlund £20-25m, Garnacho £50m and Antony £20-25m) - those are perfectly reasonable prices.

If we spend the £160 million we get from those sales, we should almost finance 2 attacking midfielders/Wingers and 1 striker (For example Cunha £60m., Mbuema £50m and about £50-60m on a striker)

 

[Lennon7]

who would you like us to sign? Consider you want an ideal Mainoo partner

Wharton has both technical and physical ability

 

[Red Comet]

It's perfectly possible for United with a net spend of £70-80 to turn us into solid top-5 contenders again - but it requires that we at least get 4-5 out of 7-8 summer signings right - and it requires that we get a huge bid for Bruno that we accept. If we even sell Bayindir - we have to get a cheap experienced goalkeeper or recall Vitek

Onana out for £20 mil - we sign a new keeper for £35-40 million

Who would buy Onana for 20M after the last 2 disastrous season? ETH at Leverkusen?

 

[Infestissumam]

Who would buy Onana for 20M after the last 2 disastrous season? ETH at Leverkusen?

they've signed Mark Flekken from Brentford today, so ... no.

 

[Cassidy]

Wharton has both technical and physical ability

I don’t think Wharton can cover ground that well but I could be wrong

 

[Ubik]

they've signed Mark Flekken from Brentford today, so ... no.

Dammit, the coin flip landed on "Dutch" rather than "ex-player".

 

[Laurencio]

they've signed Mark Flekken from Brentford today, so ... no.

10M euros for him is a steal...

 

[Lash]

After watching the likes of Pacho, Hakimi, Dembele and Doue last night, it's made me come to the conclusion that this is the right idea - but by feck do we need to prioritise it almost completely on midfield.

There is just no way we can have a wingback taking up positions like Hakimi, without a midfield. That can win the ball back high, cover space and go box to box. There's no way we can play high with Maguire in the back line. I think Yoro and Heaven will be nailed on to start, but I actually think we need to invest there too.

I feel like we're obviously addressing the front line with Cunha and potentially Mbeumo, but this will genuinely be for nothing if we have a big glaring weakness of no physicality in the middle of the park and we'll get run over so easily.

 

[Lennon7]

I don’t think Wharton can cover ground that well but I could be wrong

I didn’t mention that - physicality to me is height, strength and adequate pace. Wharton could be lazier than what we need you’re right

 

[Jund]

Onana out for £20 mil - we sign a new keeper for £35-40 million

Nobody is buying Onana for 2 quid, let alone 20 mil.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

If you’ve just sat through that season and still don’t recognise why we need more athleticism and physicality in the team then there’s no point debating with you. And if you really believe the club hasn’t thought that such physical players also need to possess technical qualities then that’s just laughable. We’re signing Cunha who ticks all boxes, we’re linked with Mbuemo who is another. We’re not going to ignore technical quality and, if you saw his Sporting side, you’d also understand that it Amorim also won’t be ignoring technical quality. The CBs he possessed at Sporting were themselves a tribute to this, though I do have high hopes for the likes of Yoro and Heaven.

A little bit of understanding and common sense will save a few people getting themselves all worked up over nothing here.

It's fecking ridiculous how basically any headline will send this place into a frenzy these days. Words fail me that you have had to spell this out to people.

 

[Cassidy]

I didn’t mention that - physicality to me is height, strength and adequate pace. Wharton could be lazier than what we need you’re right

Athleticism. I don’t think he is lazy at all I don’t think he has the ability to do it

 

[In Rainbows]

It depends on where the midfielder likes to play. If he sits further back like Carrick, then you don't need athleticism. You have less ground to cover.

 

[Dominos]

It depends on where the midfielder likes to play. If he sits further back like Carrick, then you don't need athleticism. You have less ground to cover.

Or rather, it should depend where the manager wants his midfielder to play, and then you select a midfielder capable of performing that duty.

Casemiro is a perfect example of Amorim having to abandon what he wants from his midfielder just to suit the player he has, allowing Casemiro to retreat towards our centre backs rather than pressing higher which Amorim would prefer if he had the player for it. And I believe it cost us a goal in the Europa final.

 

[McLvnsMuse]

After watching the likes of Pacho, Hakimi, Dembele and Doue last night, it's made me come to the conclusion that this is the right idea - but by feck do we need to prioritise it almost completely on midfield.

There is just no way we can have a wingback taking up positions like Hakimi, without a midfield. That can win the ball back high, cover space and go box to box. There's no way we can play high with Maguire in the back line. I think Yoro and Heaven will be nailed on to start, but I actually think we need to invest there too.

I feel like we're obviously addressing the front line with Cunha and potentially Mbeumo, but this will genuinely be for nothing if we have a big glaring weakness of no physicality in the middle of the park and we'll get run over so easily.

This! Adding physicality and ball security to our central midfield may be more important than finding the perfect 9 in my opinion. It would make us harder to beat.

We would easily shoot up the table if we get back to conceding less than 40 goals a season and adding 5-10 more goals.

PS only Arsenal conceded less than 40 goals last season. The last time we came close to that (43 goals in 2022/23) we ended the season in 3rd (ironically the same season we conceded 7 vs Liverpool)

 

[Bright_Eyes]

After watching the likes of Pacho, Hakimi, Dembele and Doue last night, it's made me come

Me too mate

 

[Lennon7]

Athleticism. I don’t think he is lazy at all I don’t think he has the ability to do it

I wouldn’t call an ability to run physicality though fella - physicality being the quality of being a physical presence. If anything cardiovascular ability = athleticism!

Just being pedantic here.

Anyone has the ability to run 12k+ in a match, they’re lazy if they don’t and needs training into them. We’ve seen it before where the whole team is running more in a match due to the manager

 

[Cassidy]

I wouldn’t call an ability to run physicality though fella - physicality being the quality of being a physical presence. If anything cardiovascular ability = athleticism!

Just being pedantic here.

Anyone has the ability to run 12k+ in a match, they’re lazy if they don’t and needs training into them. We’ve seen it before where the whole team is running more in a match due to the manager

I did not call athletisicm physicality. I said Wharton lacks athleticism alluding to the fact this would be the issue with partnering with Mainoo as they both have the same issue and so do not complement each other in that sense.

 

[MaMa given red]

It's perfectly possible for United with a net spend of £70-80 to turn us into solid top-5 contenders again - but it requires that we at least get 4-5 out of 7-8 summer signings right - and it requires that we get a huge bid for Bruno that we accept. If we even sell Bayindir - we have to get a cheap experienced goalkeeper or recall Vitek

Onana out for £20 mil - we sign a new keeper for £35-40 million
No new central defenders signed - we have 5 including Martinez - and Mazraioui and Shaw can play there - as well as Fredricson. Without European football - that will have to do

We need to sign one wingback on the right - fee £35-40 million

Central midfield - with Bruno gone we must sign a minimum of 2 central midfielders - 3 if we even sell Mainoo - the fee for Bruno should cover 2 central midfielders and if we sell Mainoo, the fee for him should cover a new midfielder. So here we break even.

We sell Rashford, Sancho, Højlund, Garnacho and Antony for a combined fee of £160 million (Rashford £40m, Sancho £25m, Højlund £20-25m, Garnacho £50m and Antony £20-25m) - those are perfectly reasonable prices.

If we spend the £160 million we get from those sales, we should almost finance 2 attacking midfielders/Wingers and 1 striker (For example Cunha £60m., Mbuema £50m and about £50-60m on a striker)

What you aren't taking in to account is that lot's of the players we want to get rid of are on wages that are far too high for the sort of clubs that are interested in signing them.

If we take Rashford for instance, we are probably going to have to cut a deal with him to pay him off to leave us, so that eats in to any transfer fee.

It doesn't help that other clubs know how desperate we are to get rid of certain players and how strapped for cash we are so it gives us an incredibly poor negotiating position.

 

[Lennon7]

I did not call athletisicm physicality. I said Wharton lacks athleticism alluding to the fact this would be the issue with partnering with Mainoo as they both have the same issue and so do not complement each other in that sense.

Apologies I thought you corrected my description with “athleticism”

Would agree on the latter, but think Wharton is a lot more physical and incredibly technical. If anything we crave a passer, someone defensively sound, than another Scott McT.

 

[Cassidy]

Apologies I thought you corrected my description with “athleticism”

Would agree on the latter, but think Wharton is a lot more physical and incredibly technical. If anything we crave a passer, someone defensively sound, than another Scott McT.

We can have both. Ederson and Lamine Camara are examples

 

[mctrials23]

It doesn't help that other clubs know how desperate we are to get rid of certain players and how strapped for cash we are so it gives us an incredibly poor negotiating position.

I don't think its quite that bad. Football is a money game. Its not like buying a fancy car where its just a luxury item thats entirely unnecessary. Our biggest issue selling out players is their perceived value due to underperforming at United and their overinflated wages.

I don't think teams are coming in thinking "Player X is worth £40m but we're going to offer £25m and if they don't take it we will just walk away because they are desperate". Of course it has some effect on the negotiations but ultimately if a team thinks your player is worth X to them then they will pay X if you stand firm. Theres no benefit to the buying club to cut off their nose to spite their face just because they think we are desperate. Thats how you lose players you want to other teams who aren't so stupid.

 

[Sarni]

Can’t tell if you’re trolling or not. As is, they will naturally need to acclimatize a little but saying the current European Champions will “struggle” is a big stretch. They beat 3 of the top 6 clubs en route to the final.

I was obviously trolling. They are clearly better than any PL team bar maybe Liverpool, though probably better than them too.