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How should the Ottoman empire have been punished? What would have been a justified response to the Armenian and Greek cleansing?Just like the Ottoman Empire systematically killing 1.5 million Armenians, 300,000 Assyrian Christians and 750,000 Greeks. Ethnic cleansing on a large scale. They killed 3 million Christians. They carried out genocides on the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek populations which resulted in large scale population transfers. Millions of Pontic Greeks had to leave what is modern day Turkey and go to Greece. That is why there are no Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians in Turkey now.
Just like the Ottoman Empire systematically killing 1.5 million Armenians, 300,000 Assyrian Christians and 750,000 Greeks. Ethnic cleansing on a large scale. They killed 3 million Christians. They carried out genocides on the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek populations which resulted in large scale population transfers. Millions of Pontic Greeks had to leave what is modern day Turkey and go to Greece. That is why there are no Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians in Turkey now.
How you not worked it out from his posting history?Don't see why that's relevant here either.
I'm not sure what you mean by "revenge" atrocities. I was pointing out that abuses by more powerful groups against minorities and marginalised communities will sadly always take place. Do you think there will be lasting peace between everyone everywhere in the world in the near future?Past abhorrent atrocities justifies revenge atrocities?
This post tells us more about you than the present issues encountered in Myanmar.
I'm not sure. What would you suggest? The Allies defeated Nazi Germany at about the same time and divided the country. Maybe the same could have been done with Turkey and now Myanmar?How should the Ottoman empire have been punished? What would have been a justified response to the Armenian and Greek cleansing?
Well, Turkey did lose 3/4s of their overall territory, a punishment of sorts but there's obviously plenty of people who don't think it was enough.I'm not sure what you mean by "revenge" atrocities. I was pointing out that abuses by more powerful groups against minorities and marginalised communities will sadly always take place. Do you think there will be lasting peace between everyone everywhere in the world in the near future?
In a slightly different manner, you now see multinational corporations grabbing land from poor farmers in numerous places worldover. Whilst it is not genocide or ethnic cleansing, it is taking away of their rights and livelihood. Discrimination on another scale.
I'm not sure. What would you suggest? The Allies defeated Nazi Germany at about the same time and divided the country. Maybe the same could have been done with Turkey and now Myanmar?
I don't know much (anything) about Myanmar. I doubt the West meddling in South East Asia would be seen favourably after the horror that was the Vietnam War. Also the US is now focussed on a belligerent China and expanding Chinese influence and also on the events taking place in Turkey and Syria rather than what is happening in Myanmar.Well, Turkey did lose 3/4s of their overall territory, a punishment of sorts but there's obviously plenty of people who don't think it was enough.
How do you think Myanmar should be broken up? Along ethnic lines or linguistic lines?
I'm actually surprised you're in favour of partition as a means of resolvement.
Will be called fake news/appropriate response by the likes of @The Unitedhttps://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/myanmar-rakhine-events/
This is the article the 2 Burmese Reuters journalists who were arrested wrote.
The two journalists were charged with something else as I understood. But, mainly it was for writing such a piece that many people in rakhine thought was far from the truth. The state government wants to sue the reuters bla bla. Who knows.Will be called fake news/appropriate response by the likes of @The United
That I would like to know as well. Seems like all the UN is doing, is wagging their finger disapprovingly set up some demands to stop this and don't really seem to have any power to do anything if Burma doesn't act accordingly.Can anyone give an account of the political powers at play here?
UN stance and whether there's any hope of them intervening? China probably don't want another US/west presence in the area? Or with everything going on the middle east nobody has an appetite to go in?
India - surely they'll have a refugee crisis if people are escaping there? In turn Bangladesh?
So does that mean you've changed your mind on this stance?I read the below piece the other day and I thought it was a fair one generally.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/world/asia/rohingya-myanmar-camps.html
Because it not only presents a different perspective, but a different view on the facts, than this essential component of the article:This kind of ridiculous comments does not help anyone.
No one is raiding their villages for no reasons. If people go there and stay there for awhile, they will see that people leave them alone as no one approachs them for the fear of getting their heads chopped.
But false narratives devalue the genuine horrors — murder, rape and mass burnings of villages — that have been inflicted upon the Rohingya by Myanmar’s security forces.
I don't think I have a firm opinion that the local Arakineses are always right and there is nothing else going on. I just thought the raid was fair as no government would or should just sit there and watch getting their outposts raided and their troops murdered again and again.So does that mean you've changed your mind on this stance?
Because it not only presents a different perspective, but a different view on the facts, than this essential component of the article:
Nobel winner in the Hague to explain atrocities. Gambia have called the 1948 Genocide Act. Gambia ffs, where are all the other so called Muslim nations? Is this just a(nother) decorative procession or can we expect anything good to come out of it?So much for a Nobel laureate!!
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/05/opinions/rakhine-state-rohingya-genocide-opinion/index.html
They don’t care, a bit like how they’re deafly silent on China’s ongoing ethnic cleansing of Ughurs.Nobel winner in the Hague to explain atrocities. Gambia have called the 1948 Genocide Act. Gambia ffs, where are all the other so called Muslim nations? Is this just a(nother) decorative procession or can we expect anything good to come out of it?
So what's your take these days?This kind of ridiculous comments does not help anyone.
No one is raiding their villages for no reasons. If people go there and stay there for awhile, they will see that people leave them alone as no one approachs them for the fear of getting their heads chopped.
Only when some terrorists among them and out of the area raided stations and security personnels, armed forces will go in the places they hid which happens to be in those villages more often not.
Many civilians reporters who have a lot of dislike for military reported about many villagers attacking security forces that were coming in to clear the areas.
The force will do what they do in almost everywhere else on earth when they get attacked like that. And it becomes some kind of twisted agenda as killing innocent civilians people. A few armed force personals died from those ambushes. And it happens all the time.
Again this is not to say some of the members of security forces didn't abuse their authority and went far in some cases. This is just to stating a fact from the government side.
In the age of people feding up with terrorism and calling for tougher measurements against it, can't blame the government for upsetting some.
The problem is many of them ran to play as refugees to get some aid which made the problem a lot bigger than it is and the narratives changed from a government clearing terrorism to a huge ethical cleansing at this moment.
And I don't even think a lot of horrific clips on the net have anything to do with this event or areas.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=HomepageThe two soldiers confess their crimes in a monotone, a few blinks of the eye their only betrayal of emotion: executions, mass burials, village obliterations and rape.
The August 2017 order from his commanding officer was clear, Pvt. Myo Win Tun said in video testimony. “Shoot all you see and all you hear.”
He said he obeyed, taking part in the massacre of 30 Rohingya Muslims and burying them in a mass grave near a cell tower and a military base.
Around the same time, in a neighboring township, Pvt. Zaw Naing Tun said he and his comrades in another battalion followed a nearly identical directive from his superior: “Kill all you see, whether children or adults.”
“We wiped out about 20 villages,” Private Zaw Naing Tun said, adding that he, too, dumped bodies in a mass grave.
The two soldiers’ video testimony, recorded by a rebel militia, is the first time that members of the Tatmadaw, as Myanmar’s military is known, have openly confessed to taking part in what United Nations officials say was a genocidal campaign against the country’s Rohingya Muslim minority."
