Europe Refugee Crisis
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Yes, and unless you have a reason to receive asylum, you do not receive asylum. You do not receive an asylum as an economic migrant in any European country, instead, you are sent back.
Syrians, however, are fleeing from a bloody war. European countries are obliged by EU directives and international human rights law to provide them with asylum.
All people in the world have the right to apply for asylum. It is a human right. Do we abolish criminal trials because having many of them takes time? No.
So, what is your problem with migration?
feck me this guy even puts migrants to shame.
Awesome work, people! We determined that one guy's nationality, citizenship, country of origin and current (as of 2013) country of residence! And it's not disturbing at all!
fecking creep
yeah i'm the same ,got to the border and shouted allahakbar till they let me in .
yeah i'm the same ,got to the border and shouted allahakbar till they let me in .
Disturbing ? He himself posted those info on this fecking forum and it literally take a minute to quote those.
Happened again today that a group of asylum seekers refused to get off the bus at their assigned asylum housing here in Sweden. Too far away from hospital, school and grocery store apparently. People in the village must be disappointed to hear it's not good enough even for people coming from a war zone.
They have a point though. It's becoming increasingly more difficult to live anywhere else than the city in this ridiculously Stockholm centric country. With our housing shortage they are most likely not going to get apartments in the city though.
They have a point though. It's becoming increasingly more difficult to live anywhere else than the city in this ridiculously Stockholm centric country. With our housing shortage they are most likely not going to get apartments in the city though.
That's great, good to see.
Too many kids suffer in each war, it genuinely makes me sad that a few power crazed egomaniacs don't (want to) realise what consequences their actions bring.
I for one am glad the western countries are helping these poor people. Sure, there'll be a minority who aren't actually really fleeing from war and are just looking after a better life for themselves, or maybe even a few that are actually coming here to plan attacks against us in the future. Even then it would be inhuman to not help the majority, who are the true victims in this whole mess. I hope most of us never live to see it, but if the shoe was on the other foot, we'd all hope to get help and not just be looked at like some kind of parasites.
Maybe a dude using the online handle 'naturalized' shouldn't be commenting, but this made me laugh
Botond, you've climbed a ladder, and are now pulling it up behind yourself so that no one else can follow.
Hypocrite.
I think that's unfair.
There's a huge difference between applying for residency or citizenship through legal procedures and crossing borders illegally, especially in the 100,000s. If one travels to the US without a visa he/she get stopped at the immigration desk and sent home. Racism? Nationalism? Britain First? Nothing but simple rule of law.
European countries have every right to defend their borders from illegal entrance. Moreover, it would be highly irresponsible from any administration to open its country's borders and allow uncontrolled migration.
He's been way more unfair to these other migrants.
I think he's a hypocrite the ways he's been going on in here and if anything these people need it more than him as he's just an economic migrant which obviously are all horrible people.
Well said.
@botond is an economic migrant calling out other economic migrants for being economic migrants. It's economic migrant-ception. I don't think they're economic migrants myself, they are refugees. It's just a bit double standards/hypocritical him saying that for this thread.
Trust hr red to try and change this around, as always.
I see where holy red is coming from but the fact is Botond hasn't just been talking in terms of legality, from what I've seen in here he's been trying to smear a whole bunch of desperate people with often misleading and sometimes factually incorrect propaganda.
nazi swedes make refugees walk to the supermarket
Norway it is then, you fecking cruel Swedes.
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/norrbotten/haparanda-redo-att-ta-emot
Sweden the Land of Freedom
, traffickers misinforming about european situation for better profitsIt's not legality alone though. There's also an economic cost to assimilation of so many people. Judging by the stats in their countries of origin it would be reasonable to assume many of them would not be qualified enough to settle smoothly in the European job market. The numbers involved don't make it any easier, and I think that dismissing the cultural differences is also hypocritical. Accusation of racism when people point at the real security issues is both unfair and dishonest.
Addressing these issues objectively is a far bigger challenge than calling a person for a career move.
just ignore , your a left wing nazi if you dare to point out some of those issues
its not the cost of assimilation because there is little assimilation if any at all , when the belief is above the state law\constitution . the cultural differences are to big
There is an economic cost and also an economic opportunity especially for countries like Germany with an increasing average age.
The assimilation stuff is vastly overblown.
yeah tell those 54 sharia law districts in sweden
http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-official-no-go-zones/
First paragraph of this article (ignoring that a blog written by an American living in Sweden isn't the best source anyway):
"It should also be made clear that this report refers to criminal gangs seizing control; the kind of shariah-ruled, muslim-only enclaves Steve Emerson was talking about in Britain and France do not exist in Sweden"
But hey, keep up your selective posting of videos in this thread, great contribution and all that...
What? Are you being purposefully dense? These are engineers, teachers, well to do people who've had to abandon everything, including 90% of their wealth in order to preserve their life. I don't know what kind of backwards idea you have of these people, that they're all born and raised in a gutter or something? They are educated, professionals, and now because of Bashar and IS, they've had to leave all of what they've accumulated and owned so that they can live to see another day. So, stop talking shite.
It would only be natural if recently immigrated (or even second generation) European Muslims and Christian European varied in opinion on how overblown that issue was.
You'll have to expand on that point.
European Muslims are more likely to favour mass immigration of Muslims to Europe. European Christians are more likely to be nervous about the cultural differences, and changing demographics.
only 50% percent is syrian and the % is falling ,http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php, give asylum to the syrians with controlled registration , no problem , leave eu broder open for uncontrolled and unregistered mass migration is a no go
So? These are secular countries.
Watch out they have muslamic ray guns too.
You haven't addressed what I said - my point still stands. hr red is talking shite about them not being able to hold down a job in the 'European market' which is absolute nonsense. As if teaching algebra is suddenly harder once you cross a border into Europe. It's just nonsense.
65% are coming from Syria and Afghanistan. 68% if we include Iraq. All are war torn countries. You and hr red are coming out with pig headed bullshite excuses that have no bearing on the matter. It's especially rich coming from an economic migrant.
@holyland red - you haven't replied to me - so could you?
I was referring to varying opinions here rather than the official policies of European countries. Despite being officially secular, I would expect these to democratically reflect the worries of many among the Christian majority. These worries are a mix of cultural, economic and security issues.
Is there a racist element involved? I'm sure there is, and some would oppose the integration of Muslims even there were only a couple of dozens of them. Since we're talking about potentially millions of people I think this warrants an honest discussion/debate rather than calling people names and digging their biographies for cheap shots.
Botond is not engaging in an honest discussion he's posting regularly misleading propaganda and he's a massive hypocrite.
A lot of people are unfairly suspicious of Romanians too, should we take heed of their bigotry (botondry)?
My in-laws are Romanian. They deserve every ounce of suspicion for Mămăligă alone.
I am really uncomfortable with this argument for various reasons. It links the acceptance of refugees to their economic value. That is inherently against the idea of seeking asylum. The acceptance of refugees derives from their situation of need -the physical danger in their homeland- and not from anything else.
It also assumes that refugees can just blend into the local (german) labour market, which is an assumption that doesn´t hold up to scrutiny. Yes, a minority is highly qualified and will do just fine, but the majority don´t have the required language skills and no university degree. They´d need years of training to have a fair shot. Living in denial of that won´t help anyone, because you can only solve this problem, if you acknowledge it.
I have sympathy for economic migration -I am one myself- and your place of birth shouldn´t limited your prospects in a globalisation world. Still there are economic consequences and to just "open the gates of nation-states" would lead to serious economic and social problems.
That doesn´t mean, that Germany (or other European countries) shouldn´t take in many refugees. It is a wealthy region, that has the resources to do so without getting into any trouble. Still we are living in a democracy and a basic level of honesty about the costs of 500k+/year of low educated people is required.
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german asylums already overcrowded . 3000 in a location designed to accommodate 700 . tensions rise
How do those fights even start? Aren't those people looking for a better life? I've read how Albanians have been fighting with Eritreans/Somalians in Germany's HEAE.
So you actually ignored that @botond , I for one am surprised
At least we got another youtube video video from you that looks like it was recorded with a calculator and where you basically see nothing anyway.
But yeah, posting videos of fighting people is such a good contribution to the thread. As you live in Munich I suggest you go to the Oktoberfest in the next few weeks I'm pretty sure you'll see some cool fights as well.
That siren sounds like the opening of an Above & Beyond album.