European Super League
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I'm only speculating because they are a sugar daddy club.
A few people keep repeating this about it being a media line that it's the death of football. No sorry, for many of us this would indeed be the deathknell of the game for us, at least as supporters of these teams.
I'm sure a communistic league would go swimmingly!
So you have no problem with how arbitrary this is? 15 clubs decide in 2021 that they are exclusive, they get to form a Super League where they'll never relegate. The other clubs can go feck themselves.
Would you have agreed with a Super League in 1980 including Nottingham Forest who had won back-to-back European Cups?
Oh really? What about when Roman waltzed in some 18 years ago and bought half the planet? Or spent 200 million last year?
Was that due to merit?
You would think that a club like Roma with their american owner would be invited.
Yep and for once, I’m thankful a populist like Boris is in charge because he’s going to eat with pleasure the Glazers and co when he will learn the people don’t want those breakaway leagues, especially since he needs to amend for the Brexit and COVID disasters.
Don't watch it yea guys that's the answer isn't it. Stadiums full of fans booing just don't watch. It won't wash.
Taken from James Corbett on twitter, who claims to have seen a copy of the "Super League Document".
- The plan would guarantee massive income to a 15 club elite and cement financial gaps not only between those competing in the Super league and those not, but within it. The plan envisages one off payments of up to €350 million to the fifteen founder members, but only six clubs would receive the full amount with five of the initial members receiving just €100 or €112.5 million.
- The 15 breakaway clubs have generously deigned to allow 5 merit based qualifiers each season. But the system is totally skewed against them. They have no say in running the Super League and are entirely excluded from a commercial pot worth 15% of income. Moreover, there is an 'equal' share of revenue that is not equal at all. The qualifiers are excluded from half of this pot of money (worth around €1.85 BILLION)
- At the same time, the organisers have shown their contempt for rewarding sporting success. You get given a ton of money for playing (about €180m for the group stage), but prize money is quite small - worth perhaps €30m extra for winning it. Which is small change, really. If you win the Champions League, by contrast, you earn about €120million - or 300% more than just making the group stage
- At the same time, if, say Leicester or Everton, were to qualify and actually win it - despite everything being skewed against them - they would earn around half the amount Barca or Real would be guaranteed JUST FOR COMPETING IN THE GROUP STAGE. Essentially this has been devised by a cabal of greedy, stupid and desperate individuals who care nothing about football, competitiveness or the sustainability of the game. It will kill domestic football and create a boring spectacle skewed in favour of a Super League 'big 6
The irony of a Chelsea supporter writing this, not to mention the outcry from the UK of all places. I don't want to play the "blame game" but the EPL is THE league who super charged the commercialization of football and people constantly defended constructs like Chelsea, City etc. as well as the various club takeovers of rich owners. Just take a look at which league still spent insane money despite Corona going on....
Pandora's box has long been opened, so at least noone should act ignorant and just look at what they have done and admit their own role in all of this.
If THIS is the deathknell for some it only shows a certain amount of ignorance and how many football fans in other european countries or around the world ALREADY felt.
We can all say we won't watch but it's football. C'mon which one of you weak ass football slave will be strong enough to resist ? Curiosity will get the best of most of you (myself included)
I truly think we are underestimating what the UK government can do here, if the bulk of the population hates this idea.
i wonder if this will bring a rise of nationalism and mild support for the other clubs from own country within the league. example supporters of milan, also supporting juventus in the league. Once a club from a country establishes to be more dominant, then the entire country will start supporting that club.
I think you are overestimating rather...
There's a Simpsons reference from one of the Halloween specials that says just don't look. Someone hashtag that#
I just have a feeling he’s not getting much money from a ESL anyway so why not? The point is that he’s unpredictable and that’s good in that situation.
You know that he's a tory right? Money before anything.
I guess we might see.
Hey- what makes you think that all the games will actually be played in Europe ?
The Super League final could be played in New York, Miami or Beijing
The Super League final could be played in New York, Miami or Beijing
I've been trying to say this all night! Why do players bother for Southampton? Sheffield United? Birmingham City? Preston North End?
It's such arrogant elitism dressed up as concern for the other clubs. Rio Ferdinand doesn't give a shit if Southampton never qualify for the champions league. Neither do a vast majority of United fans. Or Arsenal fans.
In fact, they are pissed off when a club dares break the status quo. How much have United fans moaned about city? It's damn near impossible for a club not in or around the top 6 to break into it. The odd club have managed it but they've generally received better investment than most other clubs in the league still. They've had to buy their way up generally. Obviously exceptions exist but that's why Leicester winning the league was such a huge fecking deal. Because it was ridiculous and happens once in decades.
t's incredibly patronising of fans to say 'there there Southampton fans, we are happy because you can dream of being in the champions league but we're pretty safe in knowing that you won't actually do it consistently, you aren't a threat so you can dream' and now prop up fans of these clubs as the reason this is a terrible idea.
There are reasons this might be awful, I'm not buying that they include Sky being concerned for the likes of Burnley not being able to qualify for this new competition. Note - this doesn't mean they can't qualify for the champions league or europa. Those still exist as far as I'm aware.
So actually, teams who never qualified for a European competition may genuinely start doing that. Why shouldn't Southampton fans get to see their team play a European game, at home, on Wednesday night, against a team like Roma, Valencia, Lyon? Just because it's not as good as the champions league currently is? So what? The Europa isn't either but plenty of clubs and fans take that seriously. It's only the arrogance of the likes of United fans etc. Do they think Ajax fans wouldn't buzz their tits off if they won the Europa league because it's not as prestigious as the champions league?
You're underestimating the fact that the tories and Johnson's goverment especially have been trying to Americanize the UK's political environment for years. This was probably part of the American trade deal.
This is the crux of it, the single biggest problem with it.
These games will all be dead fecking rubber. Winning the SL will be nothing more than a token achievement. Competing and not winning, no different to playing 18 friendlies in a season. The owners have no incentives to build the best teams to win this competition. The likes of the Glazers and Kroenke and Levy have no motivation to build world class football squads to win the Premier League title, even if we're allowed in the Premier League. Because the clubs income is guaranteed, and their pockets will forever be lined, by merely being a founding member of the SL, and the results do not matter.
I do have a problem with the exclusivity. I don't like it. It's anti competition, it would create a whole lot of dead rubbers, and it could create a bubble where someone like us or Arsenal are really just shit and we just end up being a relegation fighting PL club still getting thrashed in the SL in a few years.
Also don't like that non-permanent winners would get way less of a prize money. Also, we don't yet know any criteria by which the rotating members will be both promoted and relegated. All of that is in flux.
That being said, if this is going to go ahead, it doesn't necessarily have to necessarily stay that way. Sure there are permanent members now, but over time if certain members hold the other clubs down they'll be cut off. Similarly if clubs outside the SL become really successful and possibly rise out of the shadows of the traditional big clubs and become "big" themselves, they'll be invited in. After all when the original European Cup started it was also quite exclusive. That changed over time, so this could too.
Overall, I'm not happy about this, but I think people are being a bit dramatic about the "end of football" thing. I think you could actually look forward to this massive restructuring of football as possibly an exciting thing.
I can't go that far down the rabbit hole....
Imagine if the PL creation happened the same way? 15 clubs agreed to form the FA Premier League, but they couldn't be relegated, even if they finished in the bottom three.
It's basically the Cosa Nostra.
It's basically the Cosa Nostra.fecking awful.
It could be played on an aircraft carrier out in the Pacific Ocean.
it,s bad because if six clubs thrown out then premier league is de-valued .
if the six not thrown out then they hoover up all the players ; no squad restrictions for this competition.
the money backers prepared to lose money early on then in 2 or 3 years time subs will creep up and us fuddies will be told to clear off if we don't like it
if the six not thrown out then they hoover up all the players ; no squad restrictions for this competition.
the money backers prepared to lose money early on then in 2 or 3 years time subs will creep up and us fuddies will be told to clear off if we don't like it
Jesus
If this is indeed true, and it's a big if, I can't see it going forward and actually becoming a thing. Absolute disgrace.
Don’t give them any ideas
Sounds like a terrible idea with the beneficial treatment of the founding super clubs. Although I do like the spending cap. Either way I'm definitely going to watch it given we will be in it, and I've become a tad disinterested in the CL in recent years anyway
You do realise that the PL is threatening legal action against all of these teams so think the drama is warranted
If Fred is playing then they need a separate ship to store all the balls to replace the ones lost in sea.
Don't be ridiculous. Ole has played him this year in games fans themselves have gone mad about because it's a dead rubber or he should be rested for the next game.
It isn't the players and managers with this stupid mentality, it's fans. Bruno wants to play every game and he does. Narrative from fans is Ole doesn't know what he's doing, he's running him into the ground and playing him when he should be rested for a more important European game.
Current narrative from those same fans - Ole is going to rest players for a European game and this completely undermines the domestic league and everything it stands for.
Do you know how utterly erratic and ridiculous people currently sound? Why would things be significantly different to how Europe is treated currently?
You underestimate how stubborn we can be.
What's exciting about it? It's just a business move from these clubs because they wanted more money than that offered by UEFA. It's a competition with no relegation and every team will receive ton of money regardless of results. Whoever wins it won't matter much for these clubs boards. The target is achieved.
Ultimately competitiveness in football will mean jack shit for these 12 clubs, and yeah, I don't expect them to be cut off at any time because they are the "founders".
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