So you can't live in Turkey and not like the Super League?Sent from Turkey
What are the other locations that aren't allowed to not like the Super League? Peru? e-Swatini?
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What are the other locations that aren't allowed to not like the Super League? Peru? e-Swatini?
And Glazers didnt have to do that if they were comfortable with getting pumped every year?
I cant see why lessening a machine like the Utd brand helps them in any way. Say we do turn to shit, the EPL money and sponsors we lose makes any super league windfall shrink surely?
Imagine dominating a super league and the money that would bring.
Again, there's no nuance to this position at all. You can think that there's too much money in the game and too many rich owners with no connection to the clubs they own whilst at the same time be of the opinion that this is a step too far. Forming a breakaway league that you can't be relegated from goes against the very nature of professional football as a competition. It's understandable that (ex) professional players would think that way too.
The PL are now in an impossible situation that damages the integrity of their competition regardless of any recourse they take if this goes ahead. Likewise this has a knock on effect for all the leagues and clubs below who aspire to a seat at the table.
exactly.
You accept PSG you ultimately will accept a super league.
You accept Chelsea and City you will get a super league.
Status and competition would keep it competitive and entertaining within that group. Why do I care about finishing second instead of fourth this season? Because I hate our rivals and want to finish ahead. That would still ring true at any level. The increased quality would also prevent it from ever getting too boring.
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Right, I just think in this instance, his voice isn't really worth a lot. PSG has been left out in the cold and is most likely fuming about this with all the money spent on Qatar 2022 and Champions League success.
I don't think Ander was influenced per se, but I'd value it more if it came from say Bruno Fernandes etc.
I would push back against the whole "this announcements shows that these clubs don't care about their supporters" narrative pushed by some pundits and fans.
While I think it shows that the management of these clubs doesn't care about the football pyramid as a whole or fans of other clubs. I don't agree that it shows they don't care about the fans of their own club.
As if you are a fan of one of these clubs, you will likely get to watch higher quality football on a regular basis. And due to the extra revenue, the clubs will likely get more star and big-name signings, something which you just have to read this forum to see is almost as important to fans as what happens on the pitch.
So while I think this league would likely be bad for the game as a whole I don't think it shows contempt from the owners of these clubs to their own fans.
While I think it shows that the management of these clubs doesn't care about the football pyramid as a whole or fans of other clubs. I don't agree that it shows they don't care about the fans of their own club.
As if you are a fan of one of these clubs, you will likely get to watch higher quality football on a regular basis. And due to the extra revenue, the clubs will likely get more star and big-name signings, something which you just have to read this forum to see is almost as important to fans as what happens on the pitch.
So while I think this league would likely be bad for the game as a whole I don't think it shows contempt from the owners of these clubs to their own fans.
The American sports franchise model at it's core. Run by the owners and with guaranteed incomes.
There's no local rivalry with Madrid, they're just another big team. It's special because it rarely happens. If it becomes something that happens every year, I just don't see how its that exciting? At first maybe, but the whole thing would get dry very quickly.
Well said indeed.
Not often I'd agree with him (Since he's come out with such ridiculous stuff over the years) but he's spot on here
Inveitable once petrol clubs like City and PSG were allowed in and to flout rules without any punishment. The old guard were always going to react to the financial doping that artificially increased their costs and hit profits.
This is why, as an American, I recognize there is a hierarchy when it comes to fans.
I remember being attracted to European football because of the passion of the fanbases of each club, and how that fed into the actual sport on the pitch.
The sport would be nothing without them and their clubs from non-league all the way to the highest levels. To dismiss 99% of football as irrelevant, in favor of overseas cnuts who "just want to see the best go at it every week" is an insult. I can't understand why sports fan would be for this.
Same. The sport would be nothing without those local fans being dismissed so casually as "legacy fans" (like what the feck??).
It’s an hilarious suggestion which clearly has no thought behind it
Shameful, perhaps the darkest day in the history of the beautiful game. On SSN just now "One board member has said they would be prepared to leave the premiership over this if required, due to the riches on offer". This sum's it up, no consultation with the fans just to line up their pockets with vast sums of money. Because making £100/200 million + profits a year just isn't enough these day....
Foreign owners, acting in foreign interests with no regard for local fans, the sacrifice, family traditions and origins of the game. Just destroys the pyramid of football and hurts all clubs/fans in the national league/lower levels.
Foreign owners, acting in foreign interests with no regard for local fans, the sacrifice, family traditions and origins of the game. Just destroys the pyramid of football and hurts all clubs/fans in the national league/lower levels.
The PL might have started similarly as a break away league but at least teams have something to fight for whether it’s avoiding relegation, qualifying for the EL or CL. There is no purpose to this ESL other than to make the rich owners richer under the guise of “exciting football between the big boys”.
You're right you could, that's why this whole league has been formed... But this isn't even the original point, this stemmed from the fact that a few members are never satisfied, and aren't happy Herrara stepped up just because he plays for PSG...
I just don't think it would. If both teams had some of the best players in the world then the level of quality on display makes it interesting. All competitions start somewhere and rivalry would very quickly pick up. We have little history with Burnley and yet I hate them at the moment, the difference there is you don't even have the quality to fall back onto so it's just a hard watch.
This sums everything up. The thin end of the wedge happened years ago and no one dared to do anything about it because everyone was getting rich.
That should be read by everyone. So depressing.
I agree, but that isn't going to happen. Just like we arent going to redistribute wealth in society. Capitalism is the issue, it just happened to filter into football increasingly.
Says the man who went to play in Russia for 4m Euro a year...
You are a troll.
Massive credit to a current player, particularly one playing for a rich club like PSG.
Playing for a team owned by Gazprom
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How very dare you say that about Wumminator.
You know football's become completely amoral when Sky become it's saviour.
Harsh to to be having a go at Herrera. Can't begrudge him for thinking of his own career and finances in joining PSG. It doesn't preclude him from having an opinion and being a "legacy fan" with us. Let's see if anyone at the clubs dare to speak out.
Also goes some way to explaining why we didn’t invest despite losing each CB to a season ending injury. The pricks knew this was coming, a guaranteed pot of money each year.
Yep.
Juve, Real, Barca are all in massive debt so i guess it was not too hard for muricans (JP Morgan) too make them sell their soul. Surprised by the EPL teams i suppose its because they are afraid of missing top 4. Don't feel like eiher Spurs or Arsenal deserve a spot, they are there purely for marketing reasons and not actual football performances which is what the game should be about no? Whats the point if you don't get punished for losing and not rewarded for winning? Utter disgrace.
I am disappointed some of the posters I generally respect (and Wumminator) have come out with whataboutism and trying to defend this enterprise because there were some weaknesses to the current system.
It's like comparing rot which can be cured with some targeted surgery to a bloody nuclear explosion.
It's a complete different level of feckery.
It's like comparing rot which can be cured with some targeted surgery to a bloody nuclear explosion.
It's a complete different level of feckery.
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We'll know in about five minutes.
I wonder if his opinion would be the same if he was chief executive of a club that would be part of the super league
It does matter because by not caring or knowing you are building a narrative that isn't close to be true, I'll give you a simple fact french football is built around patrons every single club has been built around it, Lyon started to distance itself from that model by taking more millions from their owners mainly Seydoux and Aulas which allowed them to invest the money in infrastrutures that should long term revenues. ASSE have been created by Casino and built their fanbase and reputation in the 50s-70s through heavy sugar daddying, it used to be the same for Troyes but they are now part of City Football group, I could do it for every single club.
People try to make a complicated issue way to simple just because they want to pick a side. Here is the reality of football, only a few clubs have been able to actually generate commercial revenues, those clubs are mainly the ones forming this super league but even then most of these clubs have benefitted from sugar daddying for decades and built their names on it which now allow them to act holier than thou. Most of football outside of these clubs rely on patrons, at all levels from amateur to professional football and the wealthier patrons have historically led to the wealthiest clubs, everywhere.
This. People on here calling for players to speak out and the moment one does they go mad just because he plays for PSG.
Spot on. A club that spent 380m on 2 players in one summer and loaned a 180m player back to Monaco to circumvent ffp. City nearly signed Messi on a 1m a week wage last summer during a pandemic.
How is this competition?
The whole plan for this Super League seems so provisional. On the one hand you have the clubs all putting the same simple message on their websites, and even though it makes it look like it's some done deal and they will start after the summer, it all smells amateurish.
On the other hand no other plans have leaked out over the last few months. If they'd been seriously preparing a big league like this for the near future, much more details and signs would've come out by now already I think.
So that would mean all of this is just a tool to pressure the UEFA into giving the biggest clubs more money, or more financial security by guaranteeing direct qualification for the CL, or more influence at the CL.
On the other hand no other plans have leaked out over the last few months. If they'd been seriously preparing a big league like this for the near future, much more details and signs would've come out by now already I think.
So that would mean all of this is just a tool to pressure the UEFA into giving the biggest clubs more money, or more financial security by guaranteeing direct qualification for the CL, or more influence at the CL.