Get the Scouser out of the squad before he breaks the club record.
Even Rooney is not safe from being dropped - Mourinho
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I would have subbed Rooney in the second half due to his performance to try and shake things up. Then again, we weren't looking like scoring until he beat his man and provided a perfect assist. Have to be happy with Jose's decision even though they conflicted with mine. If we win I am happy, if a player makes a key contribution to that win they shouldn't be dropped for the next game.
Some are criticizing him for his first touch and slowing the play down in turnover situations. But as long as his stats are good, he produces points and the team is winning there isn't any crisis in not subbing him. He's always needed games to get going, Mourinho probably knows this.
None? What about his run to create the equalizer late in the FA Cup final after we went a goal down with 10 minutes to go.
So Rooney can't play several positions now?
He created the goal mentioned above from midfield. And the winner at the weekend playing left wing.
Look it's as much timing as anything. I get the criticism and at times I could have jumped on the bandwagon as the big salary has seemed excessive for the level of performance, it right here and now he is performing as much as could be expected and maybe some on top. It's start of season, he is a typically slow starter but he has contributed more than any other player in terms of goals and assists. Even Zlatan has been quiet but then added a finishing touch. The difference is he gets praised and Rooney gets moaned about.
It's been clear Rooney has done a lot behind the scenes to try and get things ticking in the right direction and Moyes first season he was one of the best players, so yes a quiet couple of years being played out of position, which requires learning, but as a whole he is still got something to give and we should back him, as he is not going anywhere soon.
But as I said I'm not saying with people like Rashford ready to go that we shouldn't shuffle Rooney in and out at times, but we do have to recognise he is a player who can be shite for most of the game, but still provide a goal or assist from nothing. Not many can do that consistently.
That's the thing. he does not and he won't. Even the best players don't do it EVERY game.
The problem here is that he does it far less than what is needed over the course of a season. Why should we risk dropping points or under perform in the hope that he may do it at some point when we actually have better options available to try. Why by Mkhitaryan for all that money and leave him on the bench while we wait for the inevitable.
To be honest my biggest fear is that one of the options, lets say Mkhitaryan gets a start and has a poor or average game because of not being match fit/sharp and is immediately relegated to the bench because other players don't get the same privilege of being played until the perform to the desired standard but Rooney gets to play either way.
* Straw man argument. You went to the extreme of "nothing". You know full well that there is not a single player that does "nothing" in a game. If you believe that something like that (a good run and cross) can erase all the downsides and mistakes then there is no reasoning with you.
**Thre are multiple players who can play several positions just as badly as Rooney.
Haha what the actual feck are you talking about mate? Strawman what?
The guy said he no longer sees any drive or determination in Rooney i gave a very recent example that he still has some at least.
And then he dismissed the idea that Rooney is a flexible player who can play several positions which is nonsense.
I wasn't making any argument strawman or otherwise.
No idea how you derived this shite from my post. Honestly have no idea what you are on even about here or what it has to do with my post.
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Which game were you watching? We had a plethora of chances, Rooney was denied by Davies. Zlatan could have easily had a few, we should have had a penalty as well + Mkhitarian last second block.
Rooney is definitely holding us back. Imagine Mkhtiarian in his place and the game would have been won by half time.
Hope he breaks it. He's not leaving now and we need the goals.
This needing games to hit form is still being peddled I see. His 2015 form was a complete write off despite playing every time.
I'm all for dropping Rooney but how can any manager leave him out of the Manchester Derby when he holds the record for goals scored in the derby?!!!
I don't believe he can be dropped.
I believe we will soon have a Martial vs Rooney problem. Mkhitaryan and Rashford performing as they are may see them in the side soon. Yes, Mata is the easy target for one, but Rooney will probably then become a left winger. He was moved there against Hull, and set up a goal, which will probably be the justification now, along with the fact that Martial is not at his best, to play Rooney there.
When Jose assembled his squad, Memphis was probably meant to be Martials understudy, but that won't matter. Martial has let Rooney off the hook, and if Wayne starts playing on the left, we may have a real problem with Martial. So long as the others like Rashford and Mkhi play well, left is the only place Rooney can play, and he won't be dropped regardless so we may see Martial struggle to get back in. He's a player I don't really want getting too fidgety here. He's not at his best agreed, but it's been 3 games only, with some good moments, and he has plenty of credit from last season I think.
I believe we will soon have a Martial vs Rooney problem. Mkhitaryan and Rashford performing as they are may see them in the side soon. Yes, Mata is the easy target for one, but Rooney will probably then become a left winger. He was moved there against Hull, and set up a goal, which will probably be the justification now, along with the fact that Martial is not at his best, to play Rooney there.
When Jose assembled his squad, Memphis was probably meant to be Martials understudy, but that won't matter. Martial has let Rooney off the hook, and if Wayne starts playing on the left, we may have a real problem with Martial. So long as the others like Rashford and Mkhi play well, left is the only place Rooney can play, and he won't be dropped regardless so we may see Martial struggle to get back in. He's a player I don't really want getting too fidgety here. He's not at his best agreed, but it's been 3 games only, with some good moments, and he has plenty of credit from last season I think.
I don't think Rooney will become a winger, Mou says he wants specialists in every position moreover he says he only sees Roo as a 10 and a 9
I don't believe it but imagine Martial being left to rut on he bench while Rooney is playing on the left.
Undoubtedly some will say Rooney is an amazing left winger.
I have no doubt that if Rooney is made to vacate he No.10 position, he will be on the bench.
Mourinho tried to sign Mattial at Chelsea and I'm sure he watched him last season.
He will give Martial plenty of time to make the left spot his own. Mourinho didn't even mention LW when he was discussing possible positions for Rooney.
I am confident that unlike LVG, Mourinho will drop Rooney if he isn't playing well, rather than change his position.
Rooney has a whole new role to play this season. He will be the striker or assistor that no one picks up simply because everybody thinks he's fat and slow...and shite.
We have been seeing Rooney invent new positions for years, sometimes every few months over recent seasons between 9/10.
Given that Mourinho put him on the left against Hull, and he set up a goal, I doubt it's the last time we will see him there. Especially if Rashford and Mkhitaryan play as they did in their own positions. Martial has made it easier too by not playing great himself.
Maybe, just maybe because Rooney is also captain of the England team, he has to play regularly and therefore it may actually be a clause in his contract??
I'm not excusing his past seasons, they were frustrating. But if he can catch some momentum this season by playing, I think it's worth it.
Your terrible incoherent post just underlines its weakness. If you can't see what I am referring to in response to your post despite going to the effort to highlight its line by line with a reference to each point then that's your comprehension issue right there.
Instead of lashing out and being rude perhaps you should think before you post and you won't embarrass yourself as much. Don't bother replying because I won't reply any further to your worthless comments.
He's been plying on the same club for 10 years, every week bar injury. If that's not enough to build any momentum then when's enough is enough?
3 years to build a momentum?
The stats guys (pro Rooney), i have a question for you.
Would you want Mick Quinn up front (who scored roughly a goal every other game but did no running, or perhaps Dean Windass?)
His play is garbage.....a couple of "assists" doesnt change that.
Would you want Mick Quinn up front (who scored roughly a goal every other game but did no running, or perhaps Dean Windass?)
His play is garbage.....a couple of "assists" doesnt change that.
I'm utterly amazed at the people defending Rooney 
'He's in good form'
'He looked class on the left'
Some people don't actually watch games do they.
It was only a few games ago that this happened ffs
Not to mention his overall performance against Hull.
'oh but he has 2 assists', well let's look at them shall we?
Assist against Southampton - he had about 10 minutes to take several touches and put a ball in the box with no real direction on it. You'll notice that it wasn't for Zlatan to run onto, more-so Zlatan had to do all of the hard work to score. Any other striker and they don't score with a ball like that.
Assist against Hull - I've long said that I liked Rooney most when he was playing on the left, and would much much rather him out there if he has to play. However, the defending was utterly disgraceful. A competent full-back (i.e. not Elmohamady) should be defending it. It's a loose, lucky touch past him. The ball into the area was good, but I'd expect any premier league player to be able to play that with the time he had.
The difference between him and Mkhitaryan when he came on was night and day. For the first time this season we looked 'actually' dangerous going forward.
'Oh but he's scored loads against Man City in the past' - so did plenty of other players. It makes literally no difference.
'He's in good form'
'He looked class on the left'
Some people don't actually watch games do they.
It was only a few games ago that this happened ffs
Not to mention his overall performance against Hull.
'oh but he has 2 assists', well let's look at them shall we?
Assist against Southampton - he had about 10 minutes to take several touches and put a ball in the box with no real direction on it. You'll notice that it wasn't for Zlatan to run onto, more-so Zlatan had to do all of the hard work to score. Any other striker and they don't score with a ball like that.
Assist against Hull - I've long said that I liked Rooney most when he was playing on the left, and would much much rather him out there if he has to play. However, the defending was utterly disgraceful. A competent full-back (i.e. not Elmohamady) should be defending it. It's a loose, lucky touch past him. The ball into the area was good, but I'd expect any premier league player to be able to play that with the time he had.
The difference between him and Mkhitaryan when he came on was night and day. For the first time this season we looked 'actually' dangerous going forward.
'Oh but he's scored loads against Man City in the past' - so did plenty of other players. It makes literally no difference.
That wasn't my point. I'm talking about the start of this season with a new manager and new players. I don't see a big problem with Jose giving Rooney playing time if it results in him playing better. And so far he hasn't made a mess out of it, amongst some frustration he's produced a couple of points.
I think the last twenty minutes against Hull was a very unorthodox formation because we were all out attack. Mourinho said Shaw and Valencia were playing as wingers. I just happen to think Rooney drifted out there because the center was being clogged up by Ibra, Rashford and Mkhitaryan. I don't think Rooney will ever be a LW under Mourinho.
Whilst he has been productive, you cant surely think his overall performances have been anything above just about good enough?
Rooney is in decline however the hate he gets in here is ridiculous even for my standards. 4 games - 3 assists - 1 goals are great stats
Hopefully. Unlike what people believe, even his critics want him to play well. He will definitely get a run in the team like Martial. And Mourinho will make his decisions. For his and our sake I hope he picks up serious form.
Wow. The guy was an even bigger idiot than I thought.
My entire argument against Rooney has always been, if he's undroppable, always has to play, most influential player in the team, captain and on £300k a week, his performances should have been for better that what he's shown in almost 24 months. His performances did not demand at status.
It seems Mourinho has a different philosophy and I'm happy with that.
It seems Mourinho has a different philosophy and I'm happy with that.
And he said it on far more than one occasion.
Now that he's hinted at it, I feel like it's less likely to actually happen.
Whilst his stats are good, I really cant have the charity shield one as an assist, that goal was entirely down to Lingard,
My comprehension issues? fecking hell haha.
You accuse me of creating a strawman argument, and then invent points i never even made to disagree with. Hilarious.
Cheers will save me having to read any more of your nonsense.
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I had my hopes up that Rooney might not play against City because we need a counter-attacking fast front 3 (Mhiki, Rash, Martial). But this only looks like Mourinho stirring Rooney up for the game.
Feck him.
Yeah it's a great start to the first 4 games of the season, if he'd been doing it last year instead of managing 6 assists in the whole PL season then I'd agree the criticism is unfair.
Yes. All for every player having to fight for his place but on that basis now isn't the time to drop Rooney. If and when his form and stats tail off, which they surely will, drop him then.
Simply referring to his stats is such a cop out. As if a different player in his position wouldn't get the same or better stats.
Actually this season it's 1 goal and 2 assists in the PL.
Last season he had 8 goals and 6 assists. Very poor from him. Rooney actually started the season well if I remember correctly but it tapered off.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...ney/641/165/73/0/p#assists/goals_scored#total
We weren't looking like scoring because we weren't taking our chances.
Could've, would've, should've. We DID score 1 goal from Rooney putting it on a plate, we didn't look like scoring in the sense that we couldn't put the ball in the back of the net as none of the chances created were as easy as rashford's.