Martinez has also done this without there best player from the pervious few seasons. Fellaini.
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But, but, he only had like 11 years to do so.. Not even close to enough.If the strike force was so problematic then Moyes should have fixed it.
Hell of a squad? Really? And yes, Lukaku has been a big plus but surely you see how Martinez's style of play is what's got them to this stage rather than simply a case of a better striker upfront?
He's using a totally different midfield three, a different winger and a different striker to Moyes. Not to mention a totally different playstyle. He's transformed the team.
Much like when Arse took over Asre, both were left with a very solid back 4. Moyes is a defensive manager, Everton arguably have 3 of the best defenders in league in Coleman, Banies and Jagielka. Martinez has benefited from this, allowing him to strengthen in attacking areas and safe in the knowledge he can mold the philosophy he had at Wigan, safe in the knowledge he as a very solid base to build on. Martinez has benefited, but he deserves a lot of credit for the football they have adopted.
So we've basically got the equivalent of George Graham. Glorious.
Poor moyes, being forced to sign all those shit strikers against his will. Wonder who scouted them given moyes obsession with every knowledge about his targets.
And shame moyes couldn't achieve as much as Martinez with a much better squad. Oh well, guess that Ferguson fella wasnt all that, leaving a shit squad and everything.
George Graham actually won a couple of league titles so not really. We've got a poor mans George Graham, which is even more depressing.
Like how Fergie left Moyes with a wayyyyyyyyyyy better squad and look where we are now? I hope Moyes succeeds here, I really do, but you'd have to be a numbskull or united fan to pick Moyes over Martinez. Ask fans of any other club other than united and everton and most if not all would pick martinez over moyes all day.
I know Moyes having to make do with Van Persie and Rooney. It's actually shocking we are 7th with firepower like that...
More like homeless man's George Graham.
Embarrassing for Moyes especially as he bought Evertons "best player".
Great for Everton fans.
Still reckon we will beat them next week mind.
I actually wanted Martinez here but he'll need to maintain Evertons results next year before he deserves the praise bestowed upon him, at least in terms of results he deserves nothing but praise for style.
I'll be surprised if they manage to actually qualify for Europe and don't drop back down to 6th/7th after they lose their loan players.
I'll be surprised if they manage to actually qualify for Europe and don't drop back down to 6th/7th after they lose their loan players.
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Basically that while Moyes wasn't a bad manager, in the reporter's opinion, Martinez is more committed to attacking than Moyes. He says Moyes was more the type to play not to lose rather than play to win. He says Martinez has freshened things up and that he has an easier way with people and the media than Moyes, although he says everyone on Merseyside respected Moyes and still do. He says he's surprised by how badly Moyes has done and would give him time to bring his own players in.
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They were saying on the radio yesterday how Martinez has revitalised Naismith's career, whereas it was going nowhere under Moyes.
Having watched pretty much all of Naismith's career I firmly believe Martinez may be God for getting him to look like a decent player.
Didn't Moyes just sign him last season?Appears so, but looks like he has had a much better season this year than last.
I must have imagined that home defeat to Crystal Palace; obviously, it didn't happen.
Naismith has been on great form in recent weeks, definitely had a better season than last year. At least this season (well, in the last couple of weeks) he looks like a player who should be playing in the Premier League. Martinez probably does deserve some credit for that.
I saw Naismith when he was a young player at Kilmarnock and he definitely had the potential to become a good player. He was doing well with Rangers until he suffered a serious injury that kept him out for ages, if I remember correctly. Hasn't really seemed the same since. He's a hard worker but seems very limited in comparison to Everton's other players.
I saw Naismith when he was a young player at Kilmarnock and he definitely had the potential to become a good player. He was doing well with Rangers until he suffered a serious injury that kept him out for ages, if I remember correctly. Hasn't really seemed the same since. He's a hard worker but seems very limited in comparison to Everton's other players.
It'll probably cost them a top four place. Looking at their upcoming fixtures (and comparing them to Arsenal's) that was the one game they really couldn't afford to drop points in.
Regardless, they've had a very good season and Martinez has done a great job with them.
Why? It's just one game that would get brushed under the carpet if they beat us this weekend. Getting fifth at the end of the day is a great season for Everton considering they had a new manager and lost their best player in the summer.
What I wish we were imagining is the fact that Pulis has almost as many points as Moyes has had with United since he joined Palace.
Exactly. It's not like he's dragged them down six places or has them playing awful football or anything.
Moyes used Naismith in a wide, functional role where his lack of pace and skill on the ball were pretty exposed, whereas Martinez has used him more often in a central role where his goal poaching and good football brain can be better exploited.
Often players do better in their second season at a club than they do in their first.
Best player in a certain system. He wouldn't be their best player this season under Martinez.
I'm sticking to my view that Martinez will struggle when it comes to re building that defence. Also, replacing Lukaku with a player that can score 20 goals a season will be difficult without CL football as well (unless they get Lukaku in on loan again). Good season, but in the long run I think there will be problems. That defence is hardly young, and there isn't much money to replace them plus Lukaku and Deulofeu.
There, in one, succinct sentence, the whole scenario is summed up.
Some clowns here want to pin the blame on Moyes for EVERYTHING. It's beyond tiresome now.
There should be balance between people blaming moyes for everything and then people like you who refuse to credit Martinez for anything.
There, in one, succinct sentence, the whole scenario is summed up.
Some clowns here want to pin the blame on Moyes for EVERYTHING. It's beyond tiresome now.
Coleman, Baines and Stones looks a decent future defence.They've been linked with Lukaku on a permanent transfer so that'll sort his striker out.
Yeah and sometimes they do worse.
Martinez's job at Everton is as tough if not tougher than Moyes' at United and he has done remarkably well there. I think he'll actually improve next season (Martinez not Moyes obviously).
Chelsea are not silly enough to sell Lukaku already.
I expect both to. I also expect City, us and Chelsea to as well.
Mourinho is, he absolutely is. I think Lukaku is gone at the end of the season.
Spot on.
It's funny because people on both sides of the Moyes debate refuse to see that he's being both criticised excessively AND defended excessively.