Wow. Never read a more inaccurate write-up as this. Filled with errors and misconceptions
Everything we feared about Jose Mourinho could be coming to fruition.
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121 goals. 100 points. Yeah, shocking football mate.
He fecking broke the goal scoring record in Spain.
Did you watch them or did you just look up the stats? There was a reason the Real fans wanted him out you know. Also when did goals equal good football, and playing to the identity of the club?
Yes, I watched them. They were fecking brilliant.
You mean Ronaldo was brilliant surely?
Can you tell us the attacking plan of the other top 6 teams ?
With details please.
Ah. The same Real fans who boo Ronaldo. Shower of morons.... although you know, judging by this thread, we've a few who would probably boo Ronaldo here too.
You're talking out your arse mate. Should we ask some Real fans on here about their title winning season?
No. Right now, at this moment, we undoubtedly look better squad than the one he inherited. It's clear as a day. And I'm not talking only about results.
Can't see the future, but looking at the players I would make a strong bet that he would leave much stronger squad than the one he took over. Whether he fails, or not.
Correct. Great counter-attacking team.
No, someone mentioned he’s clearly improved our defenders. Has he really improved them because when you really look at them and think about it he really hasn’t. Bar Smalling who maybe slightly got worse Rojo and Jones are pretty much the same players.
I have no doubt that personal wise we have improved. The man brought in Lukaku, Pogba and Zlatan as well as Bailly oh and Miki. But that wasn’t the question or the topic e were discussing.
@Vato
Sorry to drag you into this thread, but what did you make of the 2011/2012 Real Madrid side? @Andersons Dietician seems to think it was only down to Ronaldo's brilliance and that the goals and points you stacked up were not down to "good football".
Sorry to drag you into this thread, but what did you make of the 2011/2012 Real Madrid side? @Andersons Dietician seems to think it was only down to Ronaldo's brilliance and that the goals and points you stacked up were not down to "good football".
It's like we play without any real attacking tactics/trained moves except the basics.
Funny how when they won 6-2 against Malaga Jose was booed off of the pitch. Mmmm stadium vs 1 Madrid fan n a forum.
Seems like you have an agenda! Vato could come in here and agree with you, why are you so defensive before he has said anything? That game wasn't even in the 2011/2012 season
.Rojo last season looked like different defender under him. Many fans wrote him off before. Jones has been more consistent. He was also on many people's selling list. He added Bailly into it.
He improved them individually and as a unit. I don't know how is this even questionable.
Every team has a defined pattern of play that you can see repeated in many games except in cases of tactical changes. Some teams have wingplay that you will see repeated time and again, some quick crisp final 3rd passing, others incredible player interchange in the final 3rd. I can't explain each team at a time but hope you get my point. Simply: each team has a style of play, that's why no two teams play the same style in this league. Right now I have no idea what kind of play united do! Is it possession, counter attack, wing play? We just look narrow in the final 3rd with no player movement or overlapping fullbacks.
No agenda, like I said was happy to give Jose a free pass then judge him properly on his 2nd. Right now the team plays in a negative fashion. I just don’t like the weird stretches o defend him.
Everyone ha opinions and is entitled to them absolutely no problem with that. I’m sure some did enjoy that period of time. It was also reported at the time he had a falling ou with Ronaldo and that he doesn’t actually train any attacking football and leaves them to their own devices.
I watch Jose or our team and can see our players retreat off of players and inviting them on to us, our players clearly having zones, him telling Mitchell to not attack as much last year and so on. These are all negative traits.
Defining for your life when you nee to is fine by me, but you don’t age todo that for 90 minutes in games he should be going after.
I’ve said this in another thread but his 352 is a lot better than his 4231. We actually press and hunt the ball and for the life of me I can’t see why he doesn’t go with that formationand intent moe often as our best football is played doing that.
Rojo played well for about a month. Before that he should have had two red cards. Has he really improved those players tho. In the end it’s a matter of opinion. Rojo was good for about a month and Jones doesn’t look much different.
Thanks, too the words out of my mouth.
Fully expect double standards ahoy!
Have you considered that injuries to Fellaini/Pogba play a part in us pressing differently? Or the way we build our attacks have to be different now? All this 'defensive' shite people are spouting after we had been scoring 3/4 goals a game. We don't have to play the same way the whole season. People are acting like football under Fergie was always great.
No worries. I'd love to help but I'm really the most useless person you could ask in this regard. I literally forgot about most of the games I've seen from us this season, let alone a few years ago. All the seasons seem to blend into one in my mind. So yes, we were probably super awesome.
It’s not just been with their injuries tho. It’s there pretty much all the time and for vast periods of last year. It’s just the way he sets up teams. There is a clea difference between how we press in 352 compared to our non xisennpressing in 433 or 4231.
I didn't find the answer of my question in your post, sorry.
I asked you what the other top teams attacking pattern is, but you just repeated your previous post again ?
Within the 1st sentence I knew this thread was nothing more than balderdash! After managing within the circus environments of Madrid and Chelsea (twice) those particular enclaves were never going to be a long term thing with Mourinho or has history continues to show any other manager,for the 1st time arguably in his career he finds himself in a job where the ethos is stability,if he continues to win trophies at Utd he can pretty much be assured of exactly that if he wants it!
I know football is all about those 'moments' but how we would be judging Mourinho's time with us to date if that City reject had put the ball into an open net at the death in the EL semi-final?
The football we played would have been the same, tactics the same, so and so forth, just one split-second of difference.
I'd imagine Jose would be judged rather differently.
The football we played would have been the same, tactics the same, so and so forth, just one split-second of difference.
I'd imagine Jose would be judged rather differently.
Last season Herrera was player of the season.
Before Jose arrived, DDG was POTY every season. Jose arrives and immediately, our best players are now midfielders/attackers.
Does that not tell you something?
No worries. I'd love to help but I'm really the most useless person you could ask in this regard. I literally forgot about most of the games I've seen from us this season, let alone a few years ago. All the seasons seem to blend into one in my mind. So yes, we were probably super awesome.
fair enough.Have you not noticed a change in our play since Pogba got injured?
This.Didn't bother to read the OP but i'l just
Not massively no. It’s pretty much just the same stuff rinse and repeat except that we don’t have a guy who can make something happen out of nothing. That’s not really tactics other than relying on Pogba own individual brilliance. I still see the same patterns, the same hesitation to commit to attacks.
Have you not noticed a change in our play since Pogba got injured?
I have to apologise for the random words. I’m pushing letters on my iPad and for some reason it is missing them out. For some reason it has a real problem with the letter e.
For a month? He was our best defender from December, with Bailly going to AFCON and than having a dip in form after it.
But, will leave it there.
What’s absolutely hilarious about this thread is you guys are making the literal same exact arguments that Madrid and Chelsea fans were debating on their respective forums. There are people who just look at the numbers and then those who watch the games and watch the style of football Mourinho employs. He’s been doing it for 6-7 seasons but people still don’t seem to catch on to his style. What people on this forum are accusing Jose of doing is EXACTLY what he did at Chelsea. He relies on individual brilliance, doesn’t know how to coach attacking concepts at all, and sometimes overestimates his opponents and doesn’t openly try to be on front foot a majority of the time. There were threads on Chelsea forums asking if we should hire an attacking coach. I didn’t even think that was a real coaching position? And then to see the same thread pop up on a good footballing forum as well? With verbatim the same types of arguments?
I see you clearly don't have an answer to my simple question, so I'll leave it there.
Well, feck me, that's a shame. If you had anyone at least half competent to help him in that department, he could actually win something for you.
What a load of nonsense.
This genuinely might be the one of the worst threads for some time and its not even because of the ridiculous baiting OP
to actually do that would take ages. There was a great piece in the mail the other day on City but surely you can see the different patterns by watching teams yourself. Also teams do alter them for opponents. Spurs probably being the best team for that that I have seen.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...2/Manchester-City-tactical-analysis-best.html
@EyeInTheSky different attacking patterns for you guys even tho they should be obvious to everyone who watches games.
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We’re talking about his shortcomings as a manager. Am I supposed to preface it by saying what’s good about him? Load of nonsense or absolutely correct? Because addressing nothing contained in my post but labeling it nonsense means nothing. Tell me how I’m wrong.
If you cannot see how Liverpool, City, Chelsea, and Spurs play idk what to tell you. If you’re going to ignore everything I just said idk what to tell you. If the criticism is the same for the man in charge of his clubs’ style of play at 3 different clubs, I’d say you’re the one that has to be answering questions and explaining yourself.
So your answer for me is that I should go and watch other teams. Great. It just clarifies everything really.
Once I tried to go out of the box and ask a simple direct question and all the replies have been the same repeated sentences over and over and over again, it's like you don't have any other thing to say except them.
You're right, there's no point discussing it further.
Will do. The specific part where you're wrong and telling nonsense is saying that Mourinho doesn't know how to coach attacking concepts at all. The best manager of your club and one of the most successful managers of modern era doesn't know how to coach attacking concepts at all? Are you kidding me? Sorry, but that is naive at least.
I can pretty much assure you that on that level of management when we live in a football era where every little detail is getting analyzed, he has a book the size of the bible in which every attacking aspect is covered, including players opening, movement with or without the ball, dealing with different defences. We're not talking about 5 a side football with kids involved, but about highly lucrative business in the end. To say that someone who is so successful on very top of the game absolutely has no idea of attacking is baffling in itself. That's why I reacted that way.
About his attacking style. Just hints: best at quick transition on the counter as you already know, creating width and stretching the defence on the counter or not, good passer in midfield to supply wide players as quickly as possible, trying to get as many players around the place where the ball is when the defence is set up deep with quick interchange, highly efficient, mobile striker on top who is good on crosses...
I wouldn't call him the best attacking coach in the world, but he could probably have a 7-day lecture on attacking play if he has to. In the end, he is also highly efficient with his tactics most of the time. Yes, he has to have very good to brilliant players with that. So, does Pep.
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