To be fair Evra might have been shocked that she knew more than most and/ or that she's in the woman's game and knows more about the mens game than he probably does.
Evra criticised over applauding Aluko
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It has nothing to do with the left or right or PC culture. The fact is he was being patronising, there is absolutely no way he does that if a male colleague says the same thing.
Imagine if a white person applauded Evra for talking about Physics in the same way. He would be roundly condemned as a patronising racist git. Don’t let the fact that he is a United legend cloud your judgement here.
The feminist movement has many flaws and it has led to actual issues being classed together with numerous non-issues because the movement has become so toxic. It is important we think for ourselves and not jump on the bandwagon of feminist or anti-feminist. There is a grey area short of hitting a woman square in the face and this is one of them.
Imagine if a white person applauded Evra for talking about Physics in the same way. He would be roundly condemned as a patronising racist git. Don’t let the fact that he is a United legend cloud your judgement here.
The feminist movement has many flaws and it has led to actual issues being classed together with numerous non-issues because the movement has become so toxic. It is important we think for ourselves and not jump on the bandwagon of feminist or anti-feminist. There is a grey area short of hitting a woman square in the face and this is one of them.
There is some truth to this, but there is a certain irony that the game itself is segregationist/ sexist, thus it's entirely reasonable to applause a woman for her knowledge of a man's game when her expertise would be expected to be the woman's game and thus she is there for her interpretation of the beautiful game, not necessarily to be the font of all knowledge about trends and history of everyone playing.
So actually even the patronising element could be forgiven.
Bottom line is the problem is with those interpreting the act, not the act itself.
As someone else said...if you go looking for trouble you'll find it and the world seems to be set up for everyone to fail which is not cool.
Well, of course the patronising can be forgiven. I doubt many want him strung up - just don't think he should do it again.
Standing ovation next time, and then parade after that.
I love how the article says "he's unlikely to clap again" as if they've had some detailed boardroom debate about it 
Would he have done that to Keane though?
Would he have done that to Keane though?
These days there should be a degree in PC'ness. I say this because it's theory, if you can construe sexism/inequality/unfairness in what would previously be considered a harmless situation, you have pioneered in the field of PC. Finding new ways to be offended and backing these up with rationale that falls down at the slightest scrutiny. This appears to be the greater 'good' that Twitter has been used as a vehicle to drive..
People really do want to see issues with sexism/racism/inequality everywhere. Recognizing people for being above average at something that is not usually expected of them is not really wrong IMO and it's not offensive at all. A woman having vast knowledge of man football is not often.
I wonder what the reaction would be if it was a man in a studio ahead of women football and the women in the studio applauded him. Doubt there'd by any outrage.
I wonder what the reaction would be if it was a man in a studio ahead of women football and the women in the studio applauded him. Doubt there'd by any outrage.
She's not just a woman. She is a footballer who has played over 100 games for her country. It's things like this that allow people to say that men and women aren't treated the same in the workplace. In what you said, you only acknowledge her as a woman instead of a multi-capped international footballer. Do you consider the women you work with as just women or professionals who aren't expected to know less than you? If it's the latter, why would you expect less from Evra?
Truly hilarious. One article and 4 pages on here with people working themselves up, acting as if there's some sort of an outrage and manhunt on Evra. You're the ones who want to see something in this, not the "left-liberal-pc-police".
Exactly, it was a bit cringeworthy and awkward because it came across as patronising but he's not been sacked and there's no huge outcry about it (and rightly so) but as usual it's actually the ones crying "bloody lefty PC snowflakes" who are making it a big deal.
What about this suggests expecting less from Evra? If a colleague says something insightful you can praise them, man or woman.
You praise them yes, not patronise them. He would not have done the same for a male pundit. If you think he would then fair enough but I'd argue that you're being disingenuous.
What I find funny is how many people found that good punditry. It sounded completely unnatural and pre-rehearsed.
Do women play a different sport or something?
By the same standards the female presenter was equally patronising 'she knows her stuff, doesn't she'
For me Aluko looked nervous, may well have spoken about it beforehand and both Oakley and Evra were trying to be encouraging.
For me Aluko looked nervous, may well have spoken about it beforehand and both Oakley and Evra were trying to be encouraging.
Sorry, but it was patronising - acknowledge that her insight was useful & she did her homework, but clap?
Has any other pundit clapped their male colleague?
Has any other pundit clapped their male colleague?
Trends of the performance of woman's football teams won't be much help with the mens game, so it's as good as a different sport.Do women play a different sport or something?
I suppose we might find out one day if they provide some insightful analysis
It’s this extreme leftist filth that has resulted in mass protest votes of huge issues all over the world.
What an absolute joke to even mention it.
What an absolute joke to even mention it.
This is true, we need more Aluko's and less Merson's.
It did remind me a bit of John Motson, where he always had a cluster of speeches lined up for use at opportune moments. Still, I prefer that to them sounding like they've got no idea about who they're watching.
Exactly what about the reactions in this thread is making it into a big deal?
Twitter indignation leads to small scale guardian article leads to small scale mockery on a 4 page forum thread.
I don't think it's true of all male pundits, some of them provide insightful analysis now and again.
Indeed, to be honest i'd just settle for less Merson.
It did sound patronising and Evra probably shouldn’t have done it. But I highly doubt he meant to be sexist in any way, he probably was taken a back by her comments (nothing wrong here), wanted to acknowledge it and came out badly.
He shouldnt do it again, but shouldn’t be hounded over it at the same time. If he continues to do it then that’s a different issue but at the moment it’s something people should quickly move on from.
He shouldnt do it again, but shouldn’t be hounded over it at the same time. If he continues to do it then that’s a different issue but at the moment it’s something people should quickly move on from.
Of course they do, but none of them have clapped the other when they have provided something insightful.
At most they'll probably say quietly "oh yeah that's true, that's a good point", or just nod in agreement.
I can't imagine Lampard clapping Rio Ferdinand after he made a point.
But I think we can all agree, less Merson for everybody.
Whilst I do think it's trivial I can see why it can be seen to be patronising. He only clapped because she's a woman and that's where the issue lies.
I watched and thought there would be a backlash.
To be honest, love Pat as much as I do, it was patronising as hell.
To be honest, love Pat as much as I do, it was patronising as hell.
Thats exactly what it is . This had nothing to do with her being a woman it just was a very good analysis .
We truly live in troubled times ..
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Anyone watching a game tonight, choose a pundit, pretend he’s a woman, and watch and listen to interactions with an easily offended mindset. You will be outraged at every disagreement, correction or perceived patronising tone, god forbid when they slag each other.
It’s a non issue and recognising it is the biggest blockade to equality. Keep making victims, you’ll always be victims.
It’s a non issue and recognising it is the biggest blockade to equality. Keep making victims, you’ll always be victims.
No i can't say i've ever seen that happen, but one day if Phil Neville ever says anything insightful i hope everyone present claps. Maybe even throw in a few pats on the back and high fives while they're at it.
100% this. But but as a right-wing you're backward, fascist, sexist and probably racist don't you know?
Believe it or not but some ultra leftist woman (hope it's not too sexist)MP and activist from Sweden wants to ban fecking urinals!
Her explanation is that they are... sexist. Happy to be governed by reasonable people here in PL.
They are all part of one big boys club though, the same as Evra. I imagine if Joe bloggs off the street was sat there and gave the same analysis he would have clapped in the same way. Patronising? Yes, but i don't think sexism came into it.
Imagine lots of people watching said something along the lines of "good bit of analysis that, wasn't expecting that" simply as she wasn't a familiar face, not because she's female.
Sad that these click bait over reaction articles rise up all the time and muddy waters to the point where claiming someone is an sjw can be an insult when ideally everyone should fight for true social justice.
Yes! Enough is enough! First they take our Evra, then they take our urinals! The world has gone mad! Europe awake for the white man's sake! This has gone too far!
Please stop, my oblique muscles won't take this much of laughter! Seriously, you should think about a comedian role somewhere.
Unfortunately, it came across so scripted that it still sounded like she didn't really know what she was talking about.
To me, Evra's applause seemed like encouragement for someone on the panel who seemed very nervous and uncomfortable being there.
Sarcasm is the art of the Queers!
Are you really bringing the urinal thing into this? Like really? One member of the marginal leftist party with 21 seats in the parliament proposed this and suddenly the world has gone wrong, Sweden is ruled by looneys, we're all fecking doomed. Meanwhile your far-right party, the last bastion of hope for reasonable Sweden, are climate change deniers and that's just fine!
The thing is it's Evra, you only have to look at his IG to know that he's a madman. Very animated. Never seen him before doing punditry so how would you know how he'd react to male pundits?
I can see why it'd be patronising if say Alan Shearer did it with no history of applauding his male colleagues, but Evras not a pundit.
Easy way to put this to bed - invite Evra again and just have him applaud a guy. End of story.
Seems a pretty innocent thing to do, but as it's 2018 i'm sure it's an attack on women, feminism and a microcosm of the whole feminist movement.
Shame on Evra.
Shame on Evra.