That's something every manager wants and works on first thing in pre season. Without fitness teams can't achieve anything and won't be able to execute tactical plans unless plan is to park the bus and not even bothering to attack.
Fans are turning on Ole faster than they did on Moyes, LVG and Jose
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That's something every manager wants and works on first thing in pre season. Without fitness teams can't achieve anything and won't be able to execute tactical plans unless plan is to park the bus and not even bothering to attack.
To call the appointment of Ole `fecking bonkers` is an absurd exaggeration. United has sacked 3 managers in less than 8 years, all of whom were recruited from outside the club.
Bringing in someone who is familiar with the club and was part of its most successful period in its history and who also has some management experience although nothing remarkable, makes sense. Ole`s personality also makes sense as well as his passion for and commitment to Manchester United. From what is known about him, he has the kind of temperament and skills to succeeed.
The end of the good run the team went on when he was made Manager is down to the playing staff and to injuries.
The team is a mess - the newer ones haven`t established themselves, those there before either don`t fit or don`t care, a talent such as Pogba is out of sorts but could be built around with the correct signings as Ole understands how to handle different kinds of personalities, the good players need stability and to recover what made them United players in the first place.
There`s no need to worry about Ole`s comments re `running`. It`s about fitness and also code for start showing some real physical effort in training and on the pitch to the half-arsed who have gotten away with it to date.
The key to a United revival will be how much the board is prepared to listen to Ole and give what he knows he needs to make this a Manchester United team again.
That’s true. But it’s all true though. The proof is in the pudding.
Can we ban these anti ole posts for at least another 6 months. The negativity is draining and not what I need at the top of the forum every time I log in. Give the man a chance please.
The Caf is an absolute state at the moment, it seems to attracting more juvenile shite than ever.
The OP is spot on, it’s crazy how little time it took us to turn on Ole compared to the others, especially when you consider his status in the club and the start he had.
I’ve said it a few times but I can’t wait til this shite pile of a season is over.
The OP is spot on, it’s crazy how little time it took us to turn on Ole compared to the others, especially when you consider his status in the club and the start he had.
I’ve said it a few times but I can’t wait til this shite pile of a season is over.
True - one of the best posts about the Ole as manager issue. Regarding Alex Ferguson as the new manager of United, I was thinking about the `Fergie Out` yelling that was a constant feature at some home games when he wasn`t setting the English game on fire.
It was a step by step process to turn Manchester United around and he had to deal with a number of confronting issues but triumphed because Martin Edwards and Co gave him time and support. I know the new manager process now should have been longer but who do we really need? Some candidates are completely unavailable and the infatuation with Pochetti seems misplaced.
After hiring outside and then sacking those 3 managers, Ole`s appointment made sense in terms of familiarity with the club and his character/skill set for dealing with players as well as knowledge of the game. His experience is not that of Moyes, Louis and Jose but it didn`t do them much good when it came to bringing a title to United and keeping it at the top of the English game.
What are you basing qualification on? Winning trophies? If that is the case then sure, Ole is more qualified but is that everything in management? Of course not. Especially not using a reserve trophy to judge a PL managers quality ffs. Moyes dragged us to a 4th place finish on a budget which was shoestring compared to the opponents around us and although he hit a ceiling at the end (Arguably left us in a great state as we were consistent top 8 finishers with no troubles), where have we managed to get to since he left and the money started to pump in? Nothing special yet aside from the superb Martinez season which is looking like an anomaly.
Moyes was miles more PL qualified than Ole is.
the only time I turned on a manager was after mou's sevilla press conference. The second the press conference ended I wanted him out of my club.
Fair enough, couldn't disagree more actually, but we're all allowed our own opinions
If I understood your point then I think that I'm with you. While I have no problem giving Ole time and a fair chance, the one thing that has bothered me is that instead of sticking to the initial formula that was working he reverted to what we were doing under Mourinho at the first sign of injuries and underperformance. I don't think that injuries and form are an excuse too, he should have given kids the opportunity to play from the beginning and rely on the system.
How can so called United fans be turning on Ole already? When he has come in and got us fighting for top 4 and believing. Give him a transfer window and a pre season for him to implement his fitness regime and get rid of any dead wood!
Fans turning on Ole after a few losses is just as knee jerk as the board giving him a permanent contract after a few wins. Just keep him here now. If the last 5 years have shown anything is that sacking your manager every other season doesn't help you build up a strong squad no matter how much money you throw at it.
Equally, entrusting a long term rebuild to the wrong person isn't ideal either. Not saying Ole is definitely the wrong person - just have huge nagging doubts about the decision making process that has led to him being in permanent charge.
I wonder how many of you flip flopped on SAF throughout his years, especially when Jose first came to England and won back to back PL's, just after Arse Invincibles! 04-06 no PL, This place must have been just as toxic as it is now!
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Still infuriates me to this day, pissed all over the club and fans "United always go out" Son of a.....
If anything I think it will be the opposite.
Fans will back Ole longer and be quick to turn on the players and maybe even the board.
Fans will back Ole longer and be quick to turn on the players and maybe even the board.
Exactly.
I've already done it to one particularly egregious poster in the Ole Permanent Manager thread - they're fecking turncoats, the lot of em. The Ole Temp Manager thread is a veritable fecking goldmine of embarrassment for those cnuts (and I have no regrets for saying that because that is exactly what they are)
I'm pro Ole but you can't laugh at him when he's right. Moyes was an experienced a PL manager when he took over here. 11 years in the premier league.
I dont think ole tweaks or change the system that won him 10 in a row. More like some players downtools because they know they're on the for sale list and some of them wants out (pogba). Why i say that? Because what i see isnt a wrong tactics but more of a wrong mentality. The players arent running for once, unless we believe that ole instruct them not to run then it's on them.
Combination of reasons. Firstly, the longer this slump goes on the less patient fans will become with any manager getting it right, and secondly - Ole was the highest risk in the first place as he has no top level experience in comparison to the others, so any flaws will cause fears that he simply isn’t that good in the first place.
Page 9 now so I imagine both points have been made repeatedly.
Page 9 now so I imagine both points have been made repeatedly.
And what I see is different. We became extremely defensive, for example the second half against Chelsea was a joke really. It looked like we are happy with the draw and subs pretty much confirmed that. 10s of times when someone had a run there were 0 chances to pass the ball as everyone was literally at the half way line. Tactics.
I don't see it that way at all, the defensive is line and organization are different, the general idea is different which is why we started to see him use a back 3.
Why were Pep and Zidane allowed to take big jobs with feck all top level experience? Yet we are doubting Ole already! Imagine Ole had Messi, Villa, Xavi, Iniesta 
. Or Bale, Benzema, Christiano, Modric, Kroos!
. Or Bale, Benzema, Christiano, Modric, Kroos!well that's part of the problem isn't it? How well do you think Zidane would have done with our squad of players?Why were Pep and Zidane allowed to take big jobs with feck all top level experience? Yet we are doubting Ole already! Imagine Ole had Messi, Villa, Xavi, Iniesta
Not very well at all. Point is Zidane/Pep had done nothing to warrant such enormous step-ups, BUT they proved themselves albeit with phenomenal teams/players. So Ole deserves the same respect/patience.
Your logic is all over the place.
My logic is Pep & Zidane had done nothing, but were given a chance and they came good. both had amazing players so that made it a lot easier. Ole is no different to these 2 except they had the best teams in the world. Give Ole the same opportunity they got, not saying he's going to be as successful as them, but lets see! Why is my logic all over the place?
Cos you're saying that about Zidane, but also saying that he wouldn't have done very well if his first job had been with our current crop of players. And then in a different breath you are questioning why people are 'doubting' Ole.
You also say: 'Ole is no different to these 2 except they had the best teams in the world' - as though that's just a tiny difference.
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Zidane still got the job to carry out a re-build of Real Madrid.. Some fans were calling for him to take over, why would Zidane do a better job if he hasn't built a team?
Firstly I don't think Zidane would be a good fit for us either. But he's won 3 European Cups in a row - you're surely not saying that Ole is more qualified than that?
Mate there’s a big difference between finishing 4th and dramatically falling off the rails like we have done over the last few weeks.I was obviously of the view that we should take a call at the end of the season....Why did we jump in and make the announcement,especially after losing back to back against Wolves and Arsenal?
Had we not got top 4,I wouldn’t have given him the job,as simple as that....He simply doesn’t have the stature,experience and know how to manage a club of this size....
Fans will turn on anybody now because it's been 5-6 seasons without us winning the EPL.
But yeah, fans should turn on Ole only if he fails to come up with a clear plan for the team and we do feck all in the summer.
But yeah, fans should turn on Ole only if he fails to come up with a clear plan for the team and we do feck all in the summer.
David Moyes was far more qualified than Solksjaer.He was the manager of a PL club for 10 years,he did a good job(without setting the league on fire) at Everton.Solkasjaer got Cardiff relegated and he was managing Molde when he gave him the job....
Both the fanbase and the board are ridiculous knee-jerkers - the board are the upper management equivalent of the fanbase. Unlike Ole, who deserves success, I don't think either the fans or your board do. The board make consecutive poor decisions, and some of the fanbase are spoiled, entitled, disrespectful brats, on here anyway.
It's an absolute disgrace that even a few fans on here don't think Ole deserves at least one transfer window/preseason to begin to revitalise the squad. Every new manager barring truly exceptional circumstances deserves the chance to bring in some of their own players.
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This!
Probably the same fans that wanted him sacked after our 3 year baron spell when Ruud was at the club.
What was so funny in his post? Please do explain.
That is the biggest issue here. They had great teams and much less pressure. Even if you have a disastrous season in La Liga, you finish 3rd at the very worst, forget about it and go again next season. Meanwhile us having a disastrous season is finishing 6th, losing lots of money due to not making into CL, needing to pay more money to attract players due to no CL. We need a massive rebuild, can we trust Ole to do it successfully? Our best players want to leave, the only ones who don't are just happy they are here cause they know no other big club will ever offer them anything (Young, Jones, Rojo & the others). Comparing Ole with Pep or Zidane is impossible IMO, completely different situations.Why were Pep and Zidane allowed to take big jobs with feck all top level experience? Yet we are doubting Ole already! Imagine Ole had Messi, Villa, Xavi, Iniesta
I mean obviously, he has no history as a good manager in any substantial league. Other managers had a pedigree, he doesn't. He looks completely lost tactically and his team selections are some of the worst I've seen. He has the summer to get it right but he won't last until December if he doesn't. Honest truth. I don't really care that he used to play here, tired of the nepotism fans show here.
I don't think he's good enough for the job and I'm confident I will be proven right. I do think he's not helped by being in a club which is a total mess though.
However unlike the other 3..i genuinely don't hate him. I wish he would do well but im conscious enough to see that my hope is based on very filmsy reasons. Watching us play you can see that tactically we are staring to get figured out which is a shame.
However unlike the other 3..i genuinely don't hate him. I wish he would do well but im conscious enough to see that my hope is based on very filmsy reasons. Watching us play you can see that tactically we are staring to get figured out which is a shame.