Berbatov wasn't in the game at all which is probably why he was subbed. Rooney wasn't playing well, but he was in the game.
As I said, it was a toss of a coin to be who should have been subbed.
Fergie bottled it
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As I said, it was a toss of a coin to be who should have been subbed.
That was my guess. Personally I'd have thought Berba's more consistent form over the season before that would have shaded it, but there we go.
Yeah thats what i thought i said, both lacked service but Berbatov looked good with the little time he had with the ball the same could not be said about Rooney. I agree it could have been one or the other who went off but for me it should have been Rooney. I mean when Berba went off we really didnt produce anything, now i cant say had Rooney gone off we would have won but in previous games Berba-Hernandez has worked so why not give it another go with us needing a goal?
Berba was miles better than Rooney. Rooney kept losing the ball.. His link up play was poor today. Even when Hernandez came on, he didn't touch the ball for the first 15 minutes or something. It was a shite performance all round. Bollocks to be blaming Fergie for the change, but with the benefit of hindsight, it was a poor decision.
No manager of a table topping Manchester United manager should be left scrabbling with strategic substitutions to defeat a bottom of the table side. We had the personael on the filed who were equipped with the skills, experiences and game plan to win such a match.
That we lost is solely the responsibility of our players.
Im sure they will soon remedy the mistakes that were made. But lay off SAF FFS. You just look like a know nothing fool.
That we lost is solely the responsibility of our players.
Im sure they will soon remedy the mistakes that were made. But lay off SAF FFS. You just look like a know nothing fool.
Rooney has more traditionally been the one to be able to turn a game on its head in an instant. SAF was probably hoping for that.
I expected Fletch to come off, Giggs through the middle, Rooney right, Nani left and Berba dropping deep considering we needed a goal.
Wasn't fond of the decision at the time but wouldn't call it bottling it. Just did not pay off.
Wasn't fond of the decision at the time but wouldn't call it bottling it. Just did not pay off.
I'm not sure how taking off our top scorer is bottling it - that was a big decision.
Might've been the wrong one but it wasn't a cop-out.
To be honest we have been riding our luck away from home, an accident waiting to happen. And this was it.
why take Carrick off? Are you serious? Carrick was fecking shit today.Berba couldn't get in the game and Rooney's more versatile, which allowed us to swap a few players around. It was a toss up between them as they were both shite.
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Nothing wrong with the decisions in my opinion. He's taken Berbatov off before for Hernandez and its worked a treat
No one could have had any grounds for complaint being hooked today
No one could have had any grounds for complaint being hooked today
Rooney's performance today was abysmal - away from home, he looks a different player. One that lacks confidence, cutting edge, the will to take on players. I have said it before: some players thrive on the booing they receive and yet some literally shrink under those circumstances.
Did it matter -- we were never going to win -- they were both terrible. Also was Fergie forced into subbing Evans? Would he have put Owen on for Rooney -- given the choice?
Unfortunately the same thing could be said about most of out players this season. Not nearly the same away from home.
People are venting there anger thats all, we all know that we didn't turn up just looking for the patsy for us to have a good week ahead of us.
Back to square one and I hope that we do City over next week.
But surely given Berabtov's form this season you leave on the more confident player?
Rooney has been abject this season. He needs to find some form, quickly.
This. Sir Alex could have taken the whole fecking lot of them off, he was spoilt for choice
I would agree it was a coin toss who to take off.
I would guess the reason Fergie left Rooney on was the fact he scored twice in his last game.
Berbatov had had fewer touches of the ball than any other player when he came off.
Knee jerk is the last of your worries on this one.
I'm sure Chutney was deliberately provocative, but the "bottled it" line is silly. "Got it wrong", maybe, but I hardly think he was sat there shitting himself thinking "I want to take Rooney off, but I daren't, I'm scared of him" - especially seeing as he did exactly that at Blackpool.
Why do people still second-guess Fergie.
95% of the time he gets it more or less spot on.
One time he comes up short and he's bottled it?
95% of the time he gets it more or less spot on.
One time he comes up short and he's bottled it?
He didn't "bottle" anything - both were similarly average on the day and either could have been taken off.
I don't see the need for the Fergie fecked up sentiment - it's nigh on impossible to go through a season without having poor results. Sometimes, despite the manager's best efforts, it's just not going to click on the pitch.
Shit happens, move onto the next game.
I don't see the need for the Fergie fecked up sentiment - it's nigh on impossible to go through a season without having poor results. Sometimes, despite the manager's best efforts, it's just not going to click on the pitch.
Shit happens, move onto the next game.
And yet because he has such a great history and obviously is a great manager were not aloud to point out mistakes? Its a discussion and thats my opinion ya'll need to calm down.Why do people still second-guess Fergie.
95% of the time he gets it more or less spot on.
One time he comes up short and he's bottled it?
Does anyone know who "redwall" is , Im guessing he's a newbie but here's his view expressed in the form of a pm to myself.
"youre the bottler
you clueless piece of shit, go support someone else, prick."
"youre the bottler
you clueless piece of shit, go support someone else, prick."
It's just phrased stupidly. He bottled it?
Implies he doesn't have the bottle to make the right decisions.
Redwall?Does anyone know who "redwall" is , Im guessing he's a newbie but here's his view expressed in the form of a pm to myself.
"youre the bottler
you clueless piece of shit, go support someone else, prick."
BAZ!
I'm implying he bottled the decision of not taking Rooney off due to his high profile and past form - its obvious he's been awful this season.
Berbatov should have stayed, all I'm saying.
Did Fergie lose his bottle from the Blackpool game when he did exactly that?
OK, I take it back. You are talking shit after all.
What did he 'bottle' exactly?
Why else would you leave rooney on over berbatov ?
Rooney was playing worse than berbatov
Berbatov has stepped it up massively this season
Berbatov would have definitely contributed more to the game through his skill and link up play, where as rooney ran around trying to ping 40 yard balls out to the wings as usual.
Rooney was playing worse than berbatov
Berbatov has stepped it up massively this season
Berbatov would have definitely contributed more to the game through his skill and link up play, where as rooney ran around trying to ping 40 yard balls out to the wings as usual.
None of that explains why he 'bottled' it.
You still haven't answered how Fergie managed to completely change his mind about Rooney's "high profile and past form" between the Blackpool game and the game against Wolves.
Rooney probably should have been the one to go off but I doubt it would have made any difference, the entire team was shit from start to finish.
Wrong decision of the substitution no doubt
But Fergie bottling it? Nah he's too good and far experienced for that
But Fergie bottling it? Nah he's too good and far experienced for that
He's saying he didn't have the balls to take of Rooney. I agree that it was the wrong decision to take of Berba rather than Rooney but you can hardly accuse Fergie of 'bottling it'.
They were both playing as bad as each other on the day but Rooney scored a brace in our last game and usually scores goals in bunches. Hardly the most difficult decision to understand, now is it?
Tactically, Rooney should be switch to central midfield as he has lost his striker instinct against Wolves. Bringing Scholes in was wrong against a hard running Wolves midfield.
Using Henandez earlier or Owens would have given United a better chance. Wayne Rooney has become more of an attacking midfielder than a striker. I think that this should be his best position long term and United do not need to spend a fortune in bring another in the summer. Also, playing against teams which pump the ball very offen in the air, the taller and strong Chris Smalling should be given priority.
Using Henandez earlier or Owens would have given United a better chance. Wayne Rooney has become more of an attacking midfielder than a striker. I think that this should be his best position long term and United do not need to spend a fortune in bring another in the summer. Also, playing against teams which pump the ball very offen in the air, the taller and strong Chris Smalling should be given priority.