Do you think Arsenal and Chelsea have better players than us?
"Finishing 2nd with this team a great achievement"
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No, he replaced an aging Rooney with Lukaku. I know you don’t want to admit it, but he wasn’t the only issue with this club. You’re gonna have to get on board with the fact that while he was a problem, he’s gone and the issues are still here. It wasn’t just Jose. It’s the players as well. And it’s Woodward. Who saw Sanchez being as shit as he’s been? No one. Not a single person said that was a bad deal at the time. But hindsight let’s us claim Jose made a mistake. And if he wanted him, that has turned out to be a mistake. But he didn’t make the Sanchez deal. Woodward did. He’s the one that keeps giving everyone sky high wages. Remember he did the same thing with Rooney. He was desperate to show that united was still a draw for top players and os gave rooney(who was already shit) a massive wage and he got the captains armband.
It’s Woodward that’s the issue when it comes to money. And he’s going to keep on being that issue. If woody gets his way, he’s replace Sanchez with bale. And he’s gonna be on more money than Sanchez. And if what’s said about him is true, he’ll be on the physios table more than Jones.
Jose is gone. And we still have the same issues. Worse we got rid of the issues and have now reverted back to being shit. Are we to believe that ole is now toxic? Jose had to go, I don’t disagree with that. But he needs to followed out the door by the players who don’t want to do the work and Woodward who can’t run a club worth a feck.
feck yes. fecking Fulham have better players than us. Talent means nothing when it’s doesn’t work hard. And our players don’t work hard. You might get 20 minutes out of them at best.
The times I have watched Perisic and Willian play this season, they would easily displace quite a few of our players in the starting lineup.
So are you telling us Mourinho wasn't happy with the players the club purchased? Before you attempt explain this away I'm just going to leave you with this:
Straight from the horses mouth:
Jose Mourinho said:
At this point, I don't understand what the point of defending him is. He clearly got in wrong in terms of personnel and playing style.Jose Mourinho said:
"Well, Woodward shouldn't have signed off on those players" - So you can then argue he didn't back the manager?
"Well, Woodward shouldn't have paid so much" - As if he alone determines what to pay for a player.
"Well, Woodward should have identified better players" - Is he a scout now? Isn't this same guy who gets laughed at for offering 100M for Varane?
If I am not mistaken, the post you quoted seems to be talking about who decides/negotiates the salaries and transfer amounts (money things) and that is not Mourinho or Ole.
Jose is amazing bulshitter. People just blindly believe that.
I mean do you really believe Chelsea and Arsenal have better squad than we do?
I've said Tottenham do for a while, people disagreed but it seems that now they're finally realizing it.
However Chelsea and Arsenal? Chelsea only has one reliable attacker and while he may be the best in the league it doesn't make up for Willian,Pedro,Giroud ..
Their midfield is fine, I prefer ours though.
Defensively we're ahead imo.
Arsenal is a lot closer to call, I still think we have a more balanced squad though
It is not just Jose, many managers come up with bullshit stuff depending on how things are going. It would be utterly foolish to take the manager's word for it.
Ole said he had an amazing set of players, all of them with excellent attitude and dying for the badge, when we were winning stuff.
Now when we are losing, he says it is a long haul and some of them won't be part of this, which seems to be implying that some players don't have the right attitude.
I just don’t see where we are good? I see individuals putting in a shift here and there, but the majority of the time it’s just woeful. It doesn’t matter who great Pogba is if he doesn’t play at 100% every game. And that’s the rub. On paper we might be better, but as a team/squad I don’t think we’re even close to any London team.
It speaks directly to this point:
How many people at the time of the Sanchez deal said "We should not sign him b/c his wage demands are too high and that might hamper our ability to negotiate contracts in the future"? Probably none. Everyone was excited to get a player considered at the time to be one of the best in Premier League (and he was taken under the nose of a rival). The salary negotiation critiques are of no merit. It's just a classic shifting of goal posts.
I get that owners of football clubs are naturally easy scapegoats, but Mourinho has mainly himself to blame.
Jose was a great manager for underdog clubs. Now he is not even that. We should also agree to that.
Jose added 11 players during his time at United. Nine of them starters, one a third choice goalkeeper and one player he called one of the most talented youngster in Europe. He should be the last one bitching about the mediocrity of the squad. A manager's job is to get the best out of the players available, not constantly moan about their quality in every press conference and interview. Our squad is bad for what we have been used to in our United supporting lives and what we expect from a club of our stature. It performed to it's level.
Besides some Jose fans deep innate desire to tell everyone Daddy was right, why does this thread even exist?
The discussion reminds me of Oli Holt's twitter post
"Only Mourinho has the brass balls to say how bad the team he has built really is - and use it as a badge of honour."
Finishing second with that squad may have been a reasonable achievement but that doesn't mean he deserves credit when he was responsible for a lot of the mistakes in building that squad.
"Only Mourinho has the brass balls to say how bad the team he has built really is - and use it as a badge of honour."
Finishing second with that squad may have been a reasonable achievement but that doesn't mean he deserves credit when he was responsible for a lot of the mistakes in building that squad.
Mourinho averaged 1.62 points per game at United. That’s putting you at sixth place at the end of the season, as close to 7/8/9 as to 3/4/5.
Imagine how much worse that would look if De Gea hadn’t been in incredible form for two of those two and a half years.
Imagine how much worse that would look if De Gea hadn’t been in incredible form for two of those two and a half years.
Willian plays in a team that most think is a 1 man show. Perisic is far from the solution. He wasted 400, why trust him with more money? the only really quality he brought here was Pogba and that's with 400 million spent. Check what other managers do with those sort of funds and get back to me.
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He was right, all his previous team were capable to play better football than us and didnt have to always use big strong forward against inferior team.
That’s 400 million worth of players, you freak.
Thats an entirely new defence, two strikers/attackers (having already signed mikhataryan and Zlatan as well, remember)
That’s having sold current CB champions league Semi finalist Daley Blind in favour of keeping Chris Smalling.
That’s our entire centre midfield.
The irony of all this is that our best players are still either Ferguson signings (de Gea), or an academy graduate
Don’t nit pick. Admit it, Jose’s transfers were a disaster
Absolutely. I never quite got the point Mourinho was making with that statement. He assembled the heap of crap and Ole is now lumbered with trying to put it right.
Finishing 2nd with that many points behind the champions isn't anything to brag about
Exactly, people moan about players and their attitude but Jose's attitude was the worst in the squad. If the team was full of cnuts,then he is the biggest cnut among them and their leader.
It was an acheievement. Part of that was signing an inspirational, world class player with motivational and leadership qualities in the dressing toom in Ibrahimovich....notice how rapidly we went downhill again when he had the injury and then left. We need a signing like that again, not age wise but personality w3ise
Think Mourinho had the right idea about some of the current squad......his signings after the first year and supposed targets were all wrong though, so he regressed rather than building on it.
Think Mourinho had the right idea about some of the current squad......his signings after the first year and supposed targets were all wrong though, so he regressed rather than building on it.
Amazing how many ignorant replies, continuing to blame Jose. He told you so, but you couldn't handle the truth. Deal with it.
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Klopp hasn't won anything yet, and he replaced the entire team that he inherited. Jose won 2 (3) trophies in his first season with more than half of his team on crutches. Facts don't care about your emotions.
There are clearly some lazy players whom are having a negative effect in the changing rooms. We need to get rid of them.
Of course he was right, but some fans will never admit to it. In the end though, he became toxic.
With only the benefit of hindsight it is true his signings have largely failed, but when purchased, they were highly regarded, equals if not better than their peers at other clubs. Mourinho also had no say on the price, the blame lies elsewhere for that.
There's a problem at United and it goes well beyond any manager. Standards from top to bottom have dropped massively, things happen that would not have been acceptable less than a decade ago. Many fans look for someone to blame, often incapable of seeing beyond the manager, or a manager. Before Mourinho it was van Gaal, before van Gaal it was Moyes. It's a simplistic view lacking in any credibility once the same issues arise later.
United are a joke right now, there's no other way of putting it. There's a whole host of people partly responsible for this and they want you to blame Jose Mourinho, or the next manager, or the next. Some fans keep falling into this trap...
With only the benefit of hindsight it is true his signings have largely failed, but when purchased, they were highly regarded, equals if not better than their peers at other clubs. Mourinho also had no say on the price, the blame lies elsewhere for that.
There's a problem at United and it goes well beyond any manager. Standards from top to bottom have dropped massively, things happen that would not have been acceptable less than a decade ago. Many fans look for someone to blame, often incapable of seeing beyond the manager, or a manager. Before Mourinho it was van Gaal, before van Gaal it was Moyes. It's a simplistic view lacking in any credibility once the same issues arise later.
United are a joke right now, there's no other way of putting it. There's a whole host of people partly responsible for this and they want you to blame Jose Mourinho, or the next manager, or the next. Some fans keep falling into this trap...
Gomez, Hendo, Milner, Firmino are still regulars.
Sturridge, origi, Lallana, Lovren, moreno, Clyne, Mignolet all still at the club.
You'll need a bigger clear out than we did I reckon.
The results speak for themselves.
Celebrating 2nd place to vindicate Mourinho....my god this place.
He was always right. So many in here underestimated the scale if the terminal holes lacking in this squad. Wrongly assuming that because JM always eventually becomes negative and toxic, it was he rather than reality in the ground that were making United look a problematic entity on the pitch going forward
JM really did a number on some.
Jose Mourinho on Grant when he finished 2nd and made CL finals.
When Madrid played against Malaga (team managed by ex Madrid coach Pellegrini)
This guy is a serial bullshitter, somehow he has so many worshipers who believes everything he says, no matter how he twists everything or how much he lies about history by rewriting them.
Everyone keeps saying 'Jose is gone, but we still have the same team issues'
Yes we do. Not a big surprise considering its still the same team. Which Jose built, ironically.
But you know what is gone forever?
Jose issues.
Hallelujah.
Yes we do. Not a big surprise considering its still the same team. Which Jose built, ironically.
But you know what is gone forever?
Jose issues.
Hallelujah.
That would make some sense... Of the issues didn't exist before, during and after Jose was here...
A point some United fans keep missing...
If the issues existed before and after him, then Jose has failed as a manager in sorting it out.
Why are we celebrating him for doing nothing?
Finishing 2nd with this team is pretty incredible.
Not going to compare it to his past glories, but finishing 2nd with this lot is pretty damn impressive.
Not going to compare it to his past glories, but finishing 2nd with this lot is pretty damn impressive.
And Mourinho about Benitez's Europa League win with Chelsea
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/23330815
Also
http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/man...ourinho-on-the-europa-league-in-his-own-words
Nobody is celebrating anything, merely pointing out he was right. Mourinho still gave us our best seasons post Fergie, even if those were below ours, and his own standards.
Old quotes are worthless in football - everyone knows that basically everyone changes their tune in accordance with their own situation. That goes for life in general too.
Which why his sacking was deserved and necessary.
Yeah Shat on Europa league and then made players to raise 3 fingers to celebrate charity shield