Put aside political differences for a minute and let us just appreciate some contemplative music to mark the passing of a man who made a contribution. Play it loud.
Former POTUS George H W Bush Dies aged 94
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Pathetic sort of "11 year old, mummy's gone out, get on the computer" type of post
Could be. As I said I didn't check how correct those critics were and everything can look bad of you simplify the foreign policy for 4 years in a paragraph of 3 sentences.
all these former cia agents who worked for bush and his kid seem to like him, good enough for me folks
Jesus, what a shitshow this thread is
I've seen two very well respected Norwegian scholars of US politics/history praise his foreign policy today. Very shortly summed up: he contributed towards the reunification of Germany while also navigating a peaceful end to the Cold War and the Soviet Union with Gorbachev. One of them even suggested he should have been awarded a Nobel for that.
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I've very mixed feelings about the Gulf War. On the one hand Saddam had to be stopped and rolled back. On the other hand the US never should have encouraged the uprisings that followed the war. A part of me feels that Saddam should have been removed completely at this point, but I'd just about go along with Bush's reasoning on it.
Of course there are serious questions regarding the pre-war relationship with Saddam, and the sanctions regime.
Ya I didn't want t debate it, mostly because I don't know enough, so I don't put it on my why HW Is Bad list. But it was surely among the most consequential things he did.
The job he did building the Coalition against Iraq, then convincing Israel not to retaliate and tear it apart, was brilliant.
Yes, I forgot about that - it was also mentioned in the article I read earlier today.
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The coverage is going to get nauseating. It's funny how upset yanks were with a King but they've done their best to create their own over the centuries.
Going to get?!
Trump's eulogy:
"And who can forget hits like Careless Whisper, or his leadership during 9/11?"
"And who can forget hits like Careless Whisper, or his leadership during 9/11?"
That goes straight into my Book of Things Donald Trump Never Said in a Million Years.
He never struck me as being terrible so far as politicians go. The worst thing he did is procreate.
Yup, so many went apeshit over his “read my lips, no new taxes” line.
91% in spring of frigging 1991 & still couldn’t pull it off.
He's informative but you just get the impression that he would like to line a lot of people up against the wall and empty on them, some who have done more good than bad. The United States is very complex and a fecking difficult place to get things done and it will never bring forth a leader who will do what's right all of the time (especially foreign policy) or be able to get things done easily.
But people are right in this thread, we can hate the likes of Bush and McCain while discussing their shithousery but let's not fecking rub it in with dancing gifs or lower ourselves to asshole levels.
There are a few cnuts I want to see gone and I will call them that the day they die but their families should deserve a small bit of consideration also, anyone who has lost a loved one would understand this.
A lot of us have had thread bans for less, justified or not you just move on to the next one but death threads should not be reduced to a juvenile level when serious discussion could be had. Bush senior was a prick and I believe he was a player in some of the shadiest shit over the last 60 years, he also had one or two moments where you could nod you're head in agreement but he was a dirty bastard nonetheless.
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he looks ok because of his son and the scab in the WH now.
The source of the Bush family wealth.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
The source of the Bush family wealth.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Nobody gets to be potus or leader of any country by being nice. They're all ruthless, calculating and stone cold to the problems of the average guy in the street. It's all about them and always will be.
Bush was no better or no worse than any of them, they're all as bad as each other, he was just lucky to be born in the most powereful country on earth.
Bush was no better or no worse than any of them, they're all as bad as each other, he was just lucky to be born in the most powereful country on earth.
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You look at some weird shit
Don't be surprised.
I think that's absolutely correct and in that sense it's fair to be able to appreciate the good a politician has done while acknowledging their ill deeds - by the same token though Bush was never particularly sorry or apologetic for his ill deeds, of which there were plenty.
I also think the desire to celebrate or express joy at the deaths of certain politicians comes as a reaction to the alternative approach wherein people are keen to show how 'impartial' they are and as a result celebrate figures like McCain as principled elder statesmen of America instead of highlighting their flaws, largely due to the fact such figures often aren't as bad as Trump, or don't comes across as being quite as bad publicly. Some of the reactions may seem immature and petty but then many of Bush's actions had an adverse effect on the lives of others. In such cases it's difficult to criticise someone for getting at him when they may have been impacted in such a way.
What's the point of posting this other than wind people up? What do you feel you are adding to the thread exactly?
A racist criminal is dead and it's worth celebrating.
You probably need to get out more.
He lived a full life, made it to 94 in comfort and suffered zero consequences for whatever his crimes were. And you feel this is something worth celebrating?
fair point, fingers crossed his church was right and he's being tortured in hell
Some pretty harsh stuff from Discount Eboue in here.
maybe I'll grow up to lead a several coups that destabilise south and central America, kill countless people and enact policies that target minorities for personal gain like a decent person worthy of respect
sounds better then getting mad about every past or present global event . life must be miserable.
Living up to your location!
There isn't, and probably will never be, justice in this world. There is no utopian afterlife where the bad unpunished people answer for their crimes.
This is the closest there is to it.
He is gone. So, goodbye.