Honestly don't think they're ridiculous at all. All of his weaknesses I listed are not exaggerated. He is extremely poor with the ball.
We’d be vastly improved with Hayden and Newcastle would be worse off with Fred?
Yes
He would probably look ok ish at Sheff Utd then
I jest slightly... but only slightly...Personally I would say Richardson was a better player than Fred is.He would probably look ok ish at Sheff Utd then
if he played for another team in the PL, there’s nothing to suggest any top club would be interested in buying him.
I remember when Kieran Richardson went to West Brom and helped them avoid relegation - and he looked good for 6 months, is that the sort of level Fred is at?
Completely agree. It may have been the right decision for us to let him take the contract on offer at PSG, but we really miss Herrera’s ability on the ball and his mental strength. Fred has had a few good games for us but he’s a weak link in the chain and once he’s targeted is easily shattered.
Joely or Natasha?
Fred doesn’t get in any side higher in the table than Southampton (14th). Seriously, anyone can look at the starters for those clubs in any role Fred could ostensibly play, and there’s no chance he’s displacing anyone.
Fred is just about functional in midfield for us, but it is safe to say that of our first choice 11 he is the weakest link by a long way(even with Greenwood playing out of position on the right and Lindelof making mistakes at CB).
at his absolute best he is good, for a club like ours with aspirations of finally being a genuine title contender, that's not good enough. Good should be the minimum standard for a central mid not their maximum return. He's not the only one in that mid, the problem with him and McT is they need each other to offer the defensive cover to our central defenders. You've 2 players taking up what should be 1 position. Their passing is horribly inconsistent, Fred's touch is woeful and by playing those 2 we limit the creativity we can play in mid. Huff and puff, putting in a shift is admirable but at 50 million quid in central mid, we need more that.
He's a solid passer if he doesn't get pressed, which would rarely happen at City. They also have the squad depth to not play him when he's out of form.
If Fred were at Villa, the Caf would be looking at him like we are at Ndidi.
Bit of a disservice to Makelele - yes he wasn't a maestro on the ball, but he was excellent at receiving and turning, could play one touch, and had a great weight of pass. Famously, Chris Coleman whilst at Fulham managed to shut Chelsea down in one of Mourinho's early years by having Makelele marked out of the game.
Fredinho
I wish there were more non-delusional top reds like you.
Me too.
We've got 4 central midfielders and he's the best of them at doing what we need him to do. His performances across the last 18 months have helped us improve from a pretty low base. There's no point in comparing him to players we don't have. We have him, and most of the time he helps us win, hence our position of second in the league. Occasionally he makes a mistake that helps us lose, we all know that. We can definitely improve upon him, but if we had a game tomorrow that we absolutely win, you'd be absolutely crazy not to play him.Me too.
Top red? Absolutely. I have been to OT over 600 times easily as I was a ST holder for 2 decades and also been all around Europe to watch them play so I'd say I qualify. That doesn't mean fans who never go don't understand the game but many of them clearly don't.
Anyone who genuinely believes Fred is a good player can't have much of an idea about the game. A player who can't be trusted on the ball basically wherever he is on the pitch and he's a midfielder. Ridiculous.
His worth ethic and engine are great. Never thought otherwise. However that's not good enough for me. He's really really poor at the basics.
I don't disagree with you that he tries hard and has a fantastic engine but that is nowhere near enough. In terms of his footballing ability he is at best a bottom half EPL player.
Fred does far more at both. In fact McTominay is below average in quite a few defensive aspects, particularly pressing where he is in the lowest 20% of central midfielders.
McTominay only looks like he has more because he score goals, better shooting and more physical. But in reality, you judge midfielder based on passing/playmaking and defensive aspect and Fred is better in those aspect. This is not just based on what I watched but also based on the stats that @MadDogg showed above. This is why in majority our games this season, we suffered more without Fred than when we had Fred, RB Leipzig, West Ham first half, Sheffield United, the first 3 games this season, Istanbul when we lost 2-1 and etc. Not saying Fred is great but he's just better or you could say more effective as a team than the other (VDB, McT, Matic) at the moment.
Noob you are not alone. He is shockingly bad.
