Bottom 10 percentile for midfielders in terms of pressures, interceptions and tackles. He’ll fit right in here
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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How did he not stick out like a sore thumb in ETH's Ajax side then? Don't get it.Bottom 10 percentile for midfielders in terms of pressures, interceptions and tackles. He’ll fit right in here
In that CL-campaing for Ajax he was great off the ball. Made 15,1 recoveries per 90 min. At Barca he is at 8-9 per 90 min. Somehow EtH made him work better than at Barcelona. Bit like Sahin for Klopp at Dortmund.
Is he being asked to play a different position/role?
Playing different positions
you put Frenkie in our midfield with Bruno and Bellingham.....that would be a truly dominant midfield
One of these is not like the others.
Haha sticks out like a sore thumb. But to be honest that was under one of the worst coaches in United history
Bruno has been a disgrace this season but he has some credit left in the bank for me to give him a shot under a new coach.
Possession loss galore midfield is what that would be.
Just been subbed against Rayo. He was awful as the rcm.
Looked pissed coming off.
Good news
Looked pissed coming off.
Good news
Good news indeedJust been subbed against Rayo. He was awful as the rcm.
Looked pissed coming off.
Good news
Is he a better passer of the ball then McT though? Does he know what playing for United is all about?
I've read were going to sign him, good times! #neverhappening
Just goes to show how attack minded Barca are. He's surely being instructed to stay up.
I'm not writing this off. Smells like another Arthur situation to me. Arthur, like Frenkie, wanted to stay but was pressured to leave by the club.Good news indeed
Millan will really wor themselves if they don't win this.
So many chances.
So many chances.
So we are swapping for maguire?
Not sure about this lad in our side in the PL. Maybe for City, but even Pep would be kicking him up the arse to close people down. It's hard to see how we'd play him. Maybe the third man in a three that is offered plenty of protection and physical ability around him to cover what he can't or doesn't do. But it seems to me you need the cake before you put this particular cherry on top. We'd need to sign a combative midfielder or two with quality. I wouldn't completely rule it out if he's available and we are guaranteed to find the solutions to get the best out of him, he just leaves me uncertain.
Arthur is one we should also be looking at if we can’t get Frenkie.
Or Fabian Ruiz. Just somebody of the ilk who can play around on the ball a bit
Yeah but he's potentially coming back to eth so that's an alleviating matter.
I actually think a Pogba-Frenkie swap would be the most beneficial. We finally get a press resistant midfielder who can control games, and Barca get an 8 which is what they want, and it gives Pogba more attacking freedom, too.So we are swapping for maguire?
Been saying it for ages, mate. There's 3 elite press resistant 6s out there. Verratti is a no go. Frenkie is an uncertainty. Arthur is 100% doable.
Arthur is 100% leaving Juventus and his most likely destination is England. Arsenal, Newcastle or Spurs it seems. He almost joined Arsenal on loan in January but Arsenal didn't want the obligation to buy. We should be all over this, but I don't think we will be.
I know I'm in the minority but he's too lightweight for my liking.
We can’t swap what isn’t ours to swap. PP is out of contract.
Hopefully with a new manager who may place value on keeping the ball, he may look at alternatives if he is unable to get Frenkie. Arthur is an obvious one. He also contributes well defensively.
Why should we be all over Arthur is he was deemed no good for either Barca or Juventus and Arsenal didn't even want to get him with an obligation?
Not going to happen. However, this would be hell of a statement from ETH. Player we really need
Jesus, the fans don't like him, like at all.
Take a look:
https://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/14756-21-Frenkie-de-Jong/page725
Take a look:
https://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/14756-21-Frenkie-de-Jong/page725
I’m not sure he was considered no good. They sold him for 70m (dodgy deal as that was), and they also sold him to Juventus, not Torino. Juventus were also asking 50/60m for him from Arsenal, they don’t think he’s rubbish.
I thought Arthur was really underwhelming? Hence why he's been shuffled around from Barça to Juve.
If De Jong is a press resistant controller of the game, how come he's not doing well at Barça?
If De Jong is a press resistant controller of the game, how come he's not doing well at Barça?
It’s not really an ‘If’ though is it? We’ve all literally seen it, many times.
You are correct but I was only talking hypothetically anyway.
Even if it's not here (perish the thought!), I can see Frenkie leaving soon, though. Xavi still loves Busquets, Gavi and Pedri are looking like their future, Kessie coming in.
There are other players similar to De Jong (including our very own Galbraith) so, like you say, there are alternatives even if they aren't on his level.
Personally, I think he's brilliant. Since joining Juve, I've watched them a lot and, when he's in the team, it's like night and day compared to when he's out of it. I think they've only lost two games he's started, and their general football just improves as he keeps the ball so well compared to how chaotic they are when he's not playing.
He gets looked down on as his passing is underwhelming, which is understandable, but what he brings to the team completely outweighs that negative for me.
we won't be playing CL next year and there is no chance that any highly rated player would sign for us.
But if he was pulling up trees then Barca would have kept him no? And if Juve are trying to cash in suggests he hasn't lived up to his potential? I remember seeing him play at Wembley against Spurs and he looked amazing that night so not sure what's happened to him since?
I wouldn't take Pogba even for free. He's not the kind of player who would be happy as a sub and I wouldn't want anybody getting in the way of Gavi and Pedri.
Good to know, so just not appreciated at Juve then?
He'd take up about 50 to 60 percent of our budget this summer. Is that realistic when we need about 5/6 new players.
Barca won't give him away cheaply given his age and contract.
Barca won't give him away cheaply given his age and contract.
Okay, so answer the second part of that. Why is he struggling at Barça?
Have to say, find it odd that people would be against this signing, considering who our manager now is.
If this ever was to happen, I'm sure if ETH knows how to play him in our squad and he wouldn't sanction it if he thought it hindered the overhaul he will be expecting to do.
If this ever was to happen, I'm sure if ETH knows how to play him in our squad and he wouldn't sanction it if he thought it hindered the overhaul he will be expecting to do.
Well it’s certainly not because he isn’t a press resistant controller. There are probably a number of reasons, and the summary of his time there as ‘struggling’ is subjective anyway. I think he’s had his moments, plenty of them too. I think he’s shown enough to confirm what is there personally.
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