Not dead for sure. It is more like Varca and De Jong are in stalemate at the moment.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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No, none of those I mentioned are perfect FDJ replicas. But if your strategy for rebuilding the team is De Jong or bust, well, that’s just plain stupid.
Also, there seems to be this idea in the Caf that Frenkie is a DM. He’s not. He’s a deep lying playmaker. His defensive statistics are really bad. He’s going to need to be paired with a classic DM in a 4-2-3-1. So if the deal goes through, we’re still going to need a DM to play alongside him IMHO.
Now, I grant you that the guy is a one man high press breaker, but if you think he’s going to protect the back 4 and provide world class distribution (Fabinho or Casemiro anyone?) then I think they are going to be disappointed.
BTW, Brozovic is an incredibly gifted player, really smart and a very good ball distributor. He’s the reason (along with Barella) Inter have been really good despite the turnover in attacking talent.
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Brozovic would be a dream singing. I’ve been thinking this for months ever since I saw he only had a year or so left on his deal but I think he’s signed a new contract since. No way inter let him go now. He’s one of their most pivotal players by far.
Yes, we are in agreement. Both Klopp and Guardiola bought good, smart midfielders, didn’t feck about. But we never saw this kind of drama with their transfers.
We definitely need a plan B, because this is becoming less likely to happen.
I’d actually like to see Garner get a run of games if we go into the season with McFred and DVB as options.
Hate to say this but players actually wants to come to city.
Us? Not so much
Free agents that do wants to come may not be good enough. Those that are good enough would want astronomical wages, and probably guaranteed game time instead of being plan C for FDJ.
And FDJ might not actually wants to come at all cost.
I wish ETH decide to walk away from this deal, that will hit brokelona to new levels of financial challenges. Will be a lesson to laporta too.
He ain't getting all his money owed for another couple of years.
I would hope so, but cockroaches survive.
Best thing that could happen is we get FdJ for the agreed fee (65+20) and he kicks ass for us.
Depends what's written in his contract, if it says the deferred payments should be made by x date, then it will be paid by x date or Barca will be in some legal difficulties.
£10 last year was worth more than £10 today, think inflation is at 11%? So that £10 last year is now worth £8.90 - and when you get paid in millions, that adds up quite quickly.
Ever heard of Bobby Bonilla day? The Mets (MLB) wanted to buy out the remaining contract of Bobby Bonilla in the year 2000 ($5.9m) with payments starting in 2011 - he now gets an annual payment of $1.19m until 2035 - so almost $30m.
Point is FDJ will get paid what he's owed as I'm assuming he and his agents didn't just verbally agree with deferred payments, it's all about how flexible FDJ is willing to be, but my guess is a bunch of lawyers will be involved, and if the payments get deferred over a number of years then Barca will be stuck paying interest on those wages (due to cash value decreasing) which could take a while.
As someone else mentioned, his agent/lawyers are atrocious at their jobs if his contract provides that the club’s obligation to pay the deferred salary terminates upon his cessation of employment at the club. He deferred his compensation for services rendered in prior years and should be entitled to that deferred consideration whether he’s a Barca player, United player, or retires tomorrow and spends the rest of his life on a beach somewhere.
I think that whilst it’s obvious, despite what some of the media is saying, that the player is open to a move to United. The club has clearly had indication he is willing to do so given his agent is already connected with the club and Ten Hag personally knows the player.
The issue we might have however is given this stalemate between the player and Barca I’m not fully convinced that he will push through a move. He is open to it yes but is he prepared to make it happen and apply pressure on Barca? I’m not sure he’s that committed although that could easily change.
The issue we might have however is given this stalemate between the player and Barca I’m not fully convinced that he will push through a move. He is open to it yes but is he prepared to make it happen and apply pressure on Barca? I’m not sure he’s that committed although that could easily change.
Nice retirement plan if you can get it.
If Xavi is as horny for Bernado Silva as ETH is for FdJ then Frenkie would be stupid not to compromise.
1. There are actually many former MLB players still getting paid this way, Bonilla was the first I believe and him getting paid until he's 70 is astonishing to me!
2. Nah, FDJ would be stupid for compromising, Barca are being weapons here, if I were him I wouldn't give up a penny, FDJ didn't have to help them out in the first place, and them doing this means they can't be trusted.
If Silva comes in then he will be a part-time player. Then what's the point of staying?
Millions of pounds?
He needs to compromise on the deferred payments if Silva is coming in. Barca can give him lifetime membership and corporate seats to their matches. Silva will be the litmus test.
I bet of Frenkie finally signs, Silva's contract gets signed very soon after.
No, he really doesn’t.
Barca owe him what's in his contract, if they don't they'll be on very shaky ground legally and he could take them for more than box seats in their stadium - also, I don't know what's in their contracts, but I'm sure a good lawyer could argue unfair treatment if an asset they value at €100m goes from 60%+ of games played for two years to 0%, its why you don't see senior players sent to the reserves during disputes etc.
I get that but staying isn't a great option if Silva is brought in. He can sue Barca but it's always painful as an individual trying to sue a large organisation like Barca. The legal fees and the headache may not be worth it especially as it will drag on during a football season.
Its much easier for Frenkie to negotiate a settlement when he is still within the Barca organisation. Then leave after.
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Depends on the contract, if it's written correctly then it will be an "easy" win for FDJ, and on that he can afford to take to court if its gets that far.
In the end Barca will pay what they owe him, and I think FDJ will be here by the end of the window.
We don’t know that really though do we.
Completely agree the deferral in theory should be due, but we don’t know if there was a clause put in when he agreed to the deferral that it is void should he leave the club.
frenkie will say but you’re making me leave so pay up, Barca will say the clause is the clause and it’s legal.
not saying there is a clause, but if there was there’s little frenkie can do other than stay (which fecks up Barca’s plans and knowing he’s playing for a club that we’re willing to do him over), write it off (who would be willing to write off £17m, not many), demand the full £17m through the courts (would love to see Barca get done for their behaviour) or they reach a compromise
The transfer all agreed between United, FdJ & Barcelona.
The delay is due to FdJ getting the authorisation ro move from Louis van Gaal. That is currently proving quite tricky.
The delay is due to FdJ getting the authorisation ro move from Louis van Gaal. That is currently proving quite tricky.
I still get the feeling he’s going to City as part of a swap deal with Silva. Barca cant afford to buy and Silva has his heart set on the move, City and Pep help Barca and fk is over at the same time. Win win for Barca.
I'm going to make up a scenario that would be really funny.
Barca refuse to pay him. He then finds this means he can terminate his contract, and become a free agent. He signs for United for free and then sues Barcelona for the unpaid wages. La liga then say Barcelona may not register new players until the court case is resolved.
Barca refuse to pay him. He then finds this means he can terminate his contract, and become a free agent. He signs for United for free and then sues Barcelona for the unpaid wages. La liga then say Barcelona may not register new players until the court case is resolved.
I really hoped we'd be in for him when he was almost out of contract. I fully expected Conte to go for him given Spurs' troubles at CM but he didn't - that was very surprising.
They owe FDJ money after they deferred his money in the pandemic. Imo until this is sorted he himself is digging his heals in and telling Barca I'm staying.
Then the President is coming out with all this rubbish to save face, and not look like a twat. UTD and ETH need to now give an ultimatem to Barca and FDJ . Di this deal by a certain day or forget it. And UTD issue a statement saying they have dropped the agreement in principle. And make Barca look like what they are.
Then the President is coming out with all this rubbish to save face, and not look like a twat. UTD and ETH need to now give an ultimatem to Barca and FDJ . Di this deal by a certain day or forget it. And UTD issue a statement saying they have dropped the agreement in principle. And make Barca look like what they are.
Yeah, he'd be ideal, he can do anything in midfield and cover all the positions, he's equally good in defending, organizing play and attacking, has a really good pass on him.
if Barca do not pay him what he is owed by the date he is owed it then that breach of contract could easily be a good reason why FdJ could argue his contract is now void and he can sue for the money whilst at the same time becoming a free agent.
Funny certainly but not out of the question.
This one is in the bag.
Big bag day today
I'd like this to be completed soon, it's not fun anymore!
It's begining to look like once again United has been drawn into 'sh*t slinging ' argument between a player and his club. Will we ever learn?
There is a lot of smoke and mirrors on this deal and so much drama because of FDJ deferred wage deal, It seems that he is not against the idea of moving but at the same time is not Keen either, United should potentially now threaten Barcelona with a deadline date or walk away whilst simultaneously working on Youri Tielemans deal before Arsenal get that deal done. Half the Price of FDJ, pL proven, plus he would probably like to play for a big pl club and also might free up money for a potential CFW which we now need like Andre Silva or Patrik Schick if Ronaldo gets his way, pretty sure we could get either of those for £35/40M and Tielemans for £35M that’s two for one and use the £25M we get for Ronaldo to get Antony and Dyballa.
Would this be such a bad transfer window?
Incomings;
T Malacia - 13M
C Eriksen - Free
Y Tielemans - 35M
L Martinez or P Torres - 41M
P Dyballa - Free
P Schick or A Silva - 35M
Antony - 56M
Total - £180M
Outgoings;
A Pereira - 10M
*Ronaldo - 25M (don’t want to sell but we may not have a choice )
P Jones - 5M
T Chong - 5M
A Telles - 10M
A Tuanzebe or E Baily - 10/15M
Total - £65/70M
Net Spend £120M
I’ve got a feeling James Garner, Victor Lindelof or L Martinez if we buy him will be used in the CDM role for certain Games since we’ve not signed a specialist. And next summer we will go all out for D Rice.
Squad would be ;
D De Gea, T Heaton, M Kovar (3)
D Dalot, AWB, V Lindelof R Varane, H Maguire, A Tuanzebe, *L Martinez, L Shaw, *T Malacia (9)
J Garner, Fred, S Mctominay, *Y Tielemans, *C Eriksen, Bruno, Z Iqbal, DVB(8)
*Antony, J Sancho, M Rashford, *P Schick, A Martial, A Ellanga, A Ganaucho, * P Dyballa (8)
Squad of 28 with 4 academy players promoted For Europa and cup games
We should then Send F pellistrii, A Dialo, H Mejbri, T Mendi and A Fernandez on PL or Championship loans with maybe Dialo loaned to Ajax as part of Antony deal. The 5 sub rule with 9 named substitutes will impact our thinking this window which is why we might take a punt on players like Dyballa and Eriksen on free transfer deals. ETH will want at least 3 or 4 attacking subs on the bench to try and win games late on. There really is no superstar in this time but a few players who think they are which means because of fierce competition for places they need to be performing at their very best to stay in the team.
Would this be such a bad transfer window?
Incomings;
T Malacia - 13M
C Eriksen - Free
Y Tielemans - 35M
L Martinez or P Torres - 41M
P Dyballa - Free
P Schick or A Silva - 35M
Antony - 56M
Total - £180M
Outgoings;
A Pereira - 10M
*Ronaldo - 25M (don’t want to sell but we may not have a choice )
P Jones - 5M
T Chong - 5M
A Telles - 10M
A Tuanzebe or E Baily - 10/15M
Total - £65/70M
Net Spend £120M
I’ve got a feeling James Garner, Victor Lindelof or L Martinez if we buy him will be used in the CDM role for certain Games since we’ve not signed a specialist. And next summer we will go all out for D Rice.
Squad would be ;
D De Gea, T Heaton, M Kovar (3)
D Dalot, AWB, V Lindelof R Varane, H Maguire, A Tuanzebe, *L Martinez, L Shaw, *T Malacia (9)
J Garner, Fred, S Mctominay, *Y Tielemans, *C Eriksen, Bruno, Z Iqbal, DVB(8)
*Antony, J Sancho, M Rashford, *P Schick, A Martial, A Ellanga, A Ganaucho, * P Dyballa (8)
Squad of 28 with 4 academy players promoted For Europa and cup games
We should then Send F pellistrii, A Dialo, H Mejbri, T Mendi and A Fernandez on PL or Championship loans with maybe Dialo loaned to Ajax as part of Antony deal. The 5 sub rule with 9 named substitutes will impact our thinking this window which is why we might take a punt on players like Dyballa and Eriksen on free transfer deals. ETH will want at least 3 or 4 attacking subs on the bench to try and win games late on. There really is no superstar in this time but a few players who think they are which means because of fierce competition for places they need to be performing at their very best to stay in the team.
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It's frustrating, but I don't get how anyone can doubt this won't eventually get done, especially after the news from last night?
Tier 1 sources basically reporting what we all know. The hold up is with his contract (and payoff) with barca. They will come to an agreement eventually and then it will be done.
Im certain we have already agreed the fee and everything else. Well done to murtogh and the team for getting a good price.
Im certain we have already agreed the fee and everything else. Well done to murtogh and the team for getting a good price.
Tldr Schick would cost twice as much. Silva is not very good
That's why I deliberately said Barca owe him what's in the contract! (The bit you highlighted) No one will know what's in the contract except those involved in drafting it.
If his lawyers didn't state the money will be owed whether FDJ is at the club or not then that's a huge oversight, one which a team of lawyers probably wouldn't overlook.
Think it came out that Pique will be payed into his retirement, which means he won't be playing for the club and still getting paid - the very scenario FDJ will be in.
At the end of the day, he won't and shouldn't forgoe a penny of what he's owed (if he's actually owed) if it's in a contract.
How can you NOT doubt it? We've seen so many transfer sagas end with disappointment.
Not so much the last years. We more often than not got our man. People keep mentioning Fabregas or Ramos, but since those days we had more success with our sagas
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