Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

[seegoblu]

When a player under contract is transferred to another team, does the selling team have to make the player whole for any decrease in compensation between his wages at his old team vs. his expected wages from his new team?

If that is the case, we should work with de Jong's agent to keep his wages low to extract maximum value from Barca in the settlement of his old contract and then after a reasonable period of time (10 seconds or so) renegotiate his wages higher.

 

[Withnail]

This was always going to drag on till the end of the window, a very complicated transfer and I question whether we should have indulged Ten Hag on this one. I mean, we might as well have spunked big money on Rice, too late for that now though.

How are the two players in any way comparable?

 

[Nytram Shakes]

De Jong getting a lot of abuse but he may like it in Barcalona, yeah they currently are prepared to let him go but things change rapidly at football clubs, maybe he simply thinks I like it here and I don’t want to move to United as we have been a car crash for a decade. So I’ll sit this one out and see if things change at the club or I get more options next year.

 

[marcus agrippa]

Personally I don't care if he signs tomorrow or on deadline day, I don't consider this type of signing as short term and there is no sense in moving on mid July just to get an inferior player. The start of the season isn't a breaking point when the player is meant to ideally play 4 or 5 other starts of season. Now I would be working on deadline day alternatives.

Sensible.

 

[Barthez]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

 

[Blood Mage]

How are the two players in any way comparable?

I'm not saying they are, Rice would solve our DM issue and Eriksen could be the DLP in place of Frenkie.

 

[Brownie85]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

Why? Can you give me one sane reason as to why this thread needs locking if he goes on tour?

 

[Gandalf]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

No

 

[Barthez]

Why? Can you give me one sane reason as to why this thread needs locking if he goes on tour?

Because he isn’t coming. You wouldn’t risk a player on tour who you want out and need the cash for. It’s clear the player isn’t keen or has had seconds thoughts.

 

[Blood Mage]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

Why? It means nothing. This has had deadline day deal written all over it for weeks.

 

[phelans shorts]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

Why are you being such a spoilsport, it’s very funny watching to watch

 

[Joseunited]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

 

[JJ12]

This is nowhere near imminent either way wit him going away.

Im not wasting my weekend in here

 

[JPRouve]

When a player under contract is transferred to another team, does the selling team have to make the player whole for any decrease in compensation between his wages at his old team vs. his expected wages from his new team?

If that is the case, we should work with de Jong's agent to keep his wages low to extract maximum value from Barca in the settlement of his old contract and then after a reasonable period of time (10 seconds or so) renegotiate his wages higher.

No they don't it's two separate employment contracts. But because we are talking about contracts with terms, the employers owes the entirety of the money while the players owes the entire time of work, both parties need to agree on how to break that agreement. Sometimes both parties agree to just break it without compensation and other times one party demands compensation, for example a club can demand the reimbursent of bonuses that were paid upfront or a player can demand to be paid the remaining part of a signing on fee or deferred wages or a part of the wage loss if the club "forced" the transfer.

 

[JJ12]

This is going to be like the last episode of friends. Hope somebody murders the Phalange.

 

[marcus agrippa]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

If his getting on a plane irks you so much, can you just not ... open the thread?

 

[Brownie85]

Because he isn’t coming. You wouldn’t risk a player on tour who you want out and need the cash for. It’s clear the player isn’t keen or has had seconds thoughts.

Not really a good enough reason to be fair. You wouldn't keep a player off tour that you knew a club was interested in. Plus he doesn't have to play, he doesn't have to even step foot on the pitch.
If theres a wages breakthrough he can hop on a private jet and fly back to Europe....

So no, lets not lock the thread. You can however, not come on if you so choose to?

 

[the hea]

Personally I don't care if he signs tomorrow or on deadline day, I don't consider this type of signing as short term and there is no sense in moving on mid July just to get an inferior player. The start of the season isn't a breaking point when the player is meant to ideally play 4 or 5 other starts of season. Now I would be working on deadline day alternatives.

Very sensible post. Waiting a couple of weeks extra to get the target Ten Hag wants isn't the end of the world. De Jong will also be more familiar with Ten Hags system then most of our players so even if he arrives late he won't struggle as much.

 

[sewey89]

I agree 100% from FdJ‘s point of view there’s zero chance he turns down the tour and rightly so but why are Barce taking him after agreeing a fee with us? (supposedly) I can’t seem to make any sense of that are they still trying to get out of paying these deferred wages? Seems ludicrous.

Because in the event that he doesn’t come and he does reduce his salary and forego the wages, they’ll want a player that is ready to start the season

 

[Stadjer]

This was always going to drag on till the end of the window, a very complicated transfer and I question whether we should have indulged Ten Hag on this one. I mean, we might as well have spunked big money on Rice, too late for that now though.

Yes because buying overpriced English players from other Premier League teams worked out so well so far!

 

[glazed]

Barca will do everything the LEGALLY can to make his time there hell so he either leaves in January, or puts in a transfer request at the earliest opportunity.

I doubt they will still do that once the window shuts.

 

[phelans shorts]

This is going to be like the last episode of friends. Hope somebody murders the Philangy.

Phalange, the real name for the bones in the fingers.

 

[Stadjer]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

You could just stay away from the thread yourself when he steps on that plane?

 

[JJ12]

Phalange, the real name for the bones in the fingers.

Why did you edit my spelling?

 

[Chairman Steve]

So Frenkie Fridays off for another week?

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Because he isn’t coming. You wouldn’t risk a player on tour who you want out and need the cash for. It’s clear the player isn’t keen or has had seconds thoughts.

They’re not sending him mountaineering. He’s on a plane and doing some training.

 

[King7Eric]

Because he isn’t coming. You wouldn’t risk a player on tour who you want out and need the cash for. It’s clear the player isn’t keen or has had seconds thoughts.

Do you reckon the likes of Bailly or Telles or AWB won't be sold just because they are on tour?

 

[moses]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

No. It will be were banned people go in future.

 

[Withnail]

I'm not saying they are, Rice would solve our DM issue and Eriksen could be the DLP in place of Frenkie.

Fair enough but we haven't been linked with a pure DM at all so I'm not sure ten Hag will play with one.

 

[the_cliff]

Very sensible post. Waiting a couple of weeks extra to get the target Ten Hag wants isn't the end of the world. De Jong will also be more familiar with Ten Hags system then most of our players so even if he arrives late he won't struggle as much.

The issue isn't with the system, it's the fact that deadline day players come at a premium. Teams won't sell their most important midfielders on deadline day unless it's for an insane fee, we'll be caught scrambling if this deal falls through and all teams we approach will absolutely rinse us on deadline day.

My problem is with Barcelona, as mentioned before Laporte and the Barca board are giving different answers to the media and apparently in negotiations with us, then we have FDJ saying one thing in the media and another thing privately, the whole thing is a huge red flag and smells bad. Then we have the fact that apparently Barcelona won't be able to register new players without letting FDJ go, again that smells like complete bullshit considering their summer activity so far, the whole thing is a joke. We need to move on or we'll end up with egg on our face.

 

[Acquire Me]

The value of thinking things through before you speak!

Classic Caf.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Obviously it doesn't help our cause if he point blank refuses to be sold to anyone.....but if he does then Barca are in real trouble aren't they? Hahahaha.

It's an absolute embarrassment how they are behaving. There is no way they should be signing players for silly money when current players are owed wages from last 2 years.

 

[Joeycha88]

I'm not saying they are, Rice would solve our DM issue and Eriksen could be the DLP in place of Frenkie.

I like the idea of taking the money we would buy de jong for and offer it to west ham for rice

 

[Garethw]

Literally every sports journalist is reporting that De Jong has no intention of joining us.
So why the feck haven’t moved on? This is the most bizarre transfer saga ever.

 

[George The Best]

If he steps on the plane can we please lock this thread.

Why? If he’s asked to go he will - he isn’t going to break his contract. Only Barca want to break the contract but can’t without FDJ’s permission, or an amicable settlement.

 

[DevTheRed]

If they hadn’t already signed Kessie, Chistiansen, Raphinha and now probably Lewandowski I’d be skeptical.. but it’s got to the point they HAVE to sell him otherwise they aren’t getting registered.

He’ll definitely leave Barca (so him going on tour makes literally no difference) it’s a question whether or not anyone else comes in for him.. but then again I just don’t think he’d mess around ETH around like that.

 

[Castia]

Because in the event that he doesn’t come and he does reduce his salary and forego the wages, they’ll want a player that is ready to start the season

They should know by now, this has gone on for 2 months and there still not sure if he’s staying? That’s exactly my point we should have left this deal weeks ago because nobody knows what is going on including Barcelona.

 

[George The Best]

Literally every sports journalist is reporting that De Jong has no intention of joining us.
So why the feck haven’t moved on? This is the most bizarre transfer saga ever.

Bloody obvious why he’s saying that - isn’t it?

 

[RDCR07]

Literally every sports journalist is reporting that De Jong has no intention of joining us.
So why the feck haven’t moved on? This is the most bizarre transfer saga ever.

Because the only person whose words actually matter hasn’t said anything. And the same “journalists” claim a fee has been agreed. So if you believe them on one statement you gotta believe all their statements.

 

[Adisa]

The worst transfer saga since I have been on this forum.