They aren’t all saying that though are they? That’s the point.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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It’s on its off / it’s on its off . Very bizarre transfer saga.
It’s really really boring to be honest. I’m glad we’re going to sign him and he’s a fantastic player, but it’s not been entertaining or that funny, just a total slog.
Some players you right for until the last second, or the next window if needed. Sancho was one, Frenkie is another. They're dream signings for positions of need. We got Sancho eventually, better late then never. Frenkie should be viewed as the same. He's a unique player, like Modrić in a lot of ways. Absolutely vital for ten hag to reach the top level. Sure there are always alternatives, but they are nothing more than place holders until we actually get Frenkie. Like I said - he's the dream signing for midfield for Ten Hag (and many fans like myself). If there was 1 midfielder i could sign, having free pick at any, he'd be right at the top of the list (along with tchouameni to be the dream partnership). Basically, you dont give up on those players. You go til you get them if they are realistic.
Either you're King Recency Bias, or it's your first summer on the forum.
Because apparently he's told us something different in private. Just like Laporte has told everyone we don't need to sell him but apparently negotiated with us in private.
Well that is not true at all, don't make things up just because your feeling upset.
Let me ask you this. Is Barcelona and Laporte moving like they have to do this ?
Smells like complete bullshit, So Lewa+Raphinha+Christansen+Kessie+Koundes wages don't add up to De Jongs wages ?
We can't afford to start the season with McFred bas our Midfield it simply is not an option.
Get this done to feck
Get this done to feck
See Eriksen
They’ll drive him to the airport with the rest of the team then throw him on a jet to Manchester whilst he watches the rest get on a plane to the States.
That type of calculation is irrelevant. It's not about literally using De Jong's wages to pay other players. It's about their finances in it's entirety that's get assessed by the FA.
Still not acceptable to start the season with that Midfield.
You don't even know if Eirksen will play as one of the two.
agreed but I’m losing faith it will be FDJ
The FFP salary cap in La Liga is not complete bullshit and yes FDJ carries such a huge salary that they have to get it off the books. The new deals they are signing are structured in such a way to meet the FFP requirements but FDJ had a huge salary from the pre COVID regime and when you take that and add in the additional money from the deferred salary that kicks in this year he is their highest paid player by a country mile. Crazy as it sounds just getting FDJ off the books reduces that cap number enough to register 4 or 5 players.
I think it's fairly clear what's holding up the deal. Barca are trying to wrangle out of paying him his wages he's owed. It can't be anything else.
I'd be astonished, even by our own terrible recent history, if we've gone all in on someone who has no intention of joining.
I'd be astonished, even by our own terrible recent history, if we've gone all in on someone who has no intention of joining.
Sounds a very flawed duo
More flawed than Mctominay and Fred?
I'm obviously hoping de Jong signs, because he's a quality player and our #1 target in the position.
But I've never really felt this one was all that imminent, with all the extra issues going along with the deal, and the ever changing, and often contradictory, reports each day.
So I've mostly been focusing on the Malacia, Eriksen and Martinez deals as they felt a lot more tantalisingly close to fruition. So I'm delighted those have got done now.
Having none, then just one, deal completed while this just dragged on made the whole scenario even more frustrating. But getting the other business successfully completed allows us to be more patient about this one dragging on.
Although I'm not really sure what positions we're looking at next? If any, until we know whether we're getting De Jong or not, and if Ronaldo is staying or leaving. I haven't really heard many realistic links to RB's, DM's, #9's, etc.
But I've never really felt this one was all that imminent, with all the extra issues going along with the deal, and the ever changing, and often contradictory, reports each day.
So I've mostly been focusing on the Malacia, Eriksen and Martinez deals as they felt a lot more tantalisingly close to fruition. So I'm delighted those have got done now.
Having none, then just one, deal completed while this just dragged on made the whole scenario even more frustrating. But getting the other business successfully completed allows us to be more patient about this one dragging on.
Although I'm not really sure what positions we're looking at next? If any, until we know whether we're getting De Jong or not, and if Ronaldo is staying or leaving. I haven't really heard many realistic links to RB's, DM's, #9's, etc.
No, Sport are saying he has no intention of joining us.
What you're doing now is picking and choosing what you want to believe.
FdJ, given the way he renegotiated his contract with Barca, will make 90M fixed over 4 years (22.5M p/y). Not a stretch to say that'll pay for Raphinha (5.2M), Kessie (5.4M), Christensen (5.1M p/y) and will have plenty leftover to pay most of Lewa's salary.
If he walks, instead of making 90M next 4 years, he will make something like 73-75M (noone knows what United's contract offer is). A shortfall of 15-17M or so that Barca need to cover.
Nope but still not acceptable to start a season with.
Why do we insist on having such a crap Midfield?
Ok if that's the case then why are Barcelona and Laporte still signing players without FDJs future having been resolved, what if FDJ decides to just stay put without taking a pay cut ? do they have a 14 day cancellation policy on Raphinha ?
Either Barcelona and Laporte are batshit insane or they have something up their sleeve that will allow them to register players even if FDJ is still there, otherwise their transfer activity makes no sense. It would be better for them to use some of the fee United are paying them to just pay off the 17m owed to De Jong and get him out of the club.
Imagine signing lewa, Raphinha, Kessie and Kounde but you can't register them because you don't want to pay FDJ his 17m when you're getting around 70m from United anyway, shit makes no sense. You've also effectively wasted your whole summer and money on players that can't even play in the league for you just because of one man deciding he wants to stay. Aren't you supposed to resolve his future first ?
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Imagine genuinely believing he has no interest in joining us. Bizarre beyond words.
So it’s an improvement then on what you suggested so why would Eriksen not play there?
You’re making little sense
cause it's a done deal init. FDJ just doesn't know it yet
I think this weekend we need to have a positive outcome or move on. I don’t think Barca’s money woes will end soon, so whether de Jong wants to come here or not, he won’t be forgoing his deferred salary - so this will drag on regardless.
Need to get our own house in order for start of season, badly need another midfield so need Plan B.
Need to get our own house in order for start of season, badly need another midfield so need Plan B.
Ain't no comeback to that one
So something I've wondered for a while but never really got the chance to bring up - here seems like a good place to ask.
What ever happened to it being illegal to "tap-up" players?
Didn't Chelsea or some other club get fined for it years ago?
What makes tapping up different to what happens with players nowadays (establish that the player wants to come and even have the personal terms agreed before negotiating with the player's club)?
What ever happened to it being illegal to "tap-up" players?
Didn't Chelsea or some other club get fined for it years ago?
What makes tapping up different to what happens with players nowadays (establish that the player wants to come and even have the personal terms agreed before negotiating with the player's club)?
I think that’s associated more with players under 18 who can’t sign professional contracts yet.
Any club that tries to complain at this point is just opening themselves up to getting dragged over the coals for it themselves.
Nah, Liverpool did that with VVD and ended up paying extra to avoid a lawsuit. I think the obvious answer here is that the club can give permission, and they obviously didn't do that as they hadn't agreed a fee yet, but tried to get the player to hand in a transfer request to force a move.
Cindy Crawford was my dream shag, but after 20years I had to draw the line she wasnt getting on my saddle.
In all seriousness, I agree with you and find it hard to believe him and Ten Hag havent had some kind of communication. So part of me feels is he was adamant about not coming, surely we would have moved on.....or regardless are the noises direct to us from Barca that they ave to move him on. Or is it about the money he is owed?
There are so many ifs and buts and who knows what reports are true, if there is any truth in his agent offering him to champions league clubs though, we should move on.
That rule even applies at non-league very low-level clubs, even when the players don't get wages. It's always been a thing, but it's rarely adhered to nowadays I reckon.
Would actually be hilarious if he digs his heels in, refuses to be sold to anyone, and Barca are stuck in a position where they can't meet the wage cap or register all their new signings.
They must think that if he leaves there's some sort of loophole where they don't have to pay his missing wages. I can't think of what else it could be now.
They must think that if he leaves there's some sort of loophole where they don't have to pay his missing wages. I can't think of what else it could be now.
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