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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Pay whatever it takes is exactly the thing that got Barcelona into their current mess.
This is getting ridiculous. I thought the entire idea of having a football system is not to be dependent on a single player. Why is Ten Hag risking the club's fortunes on this single transfer?
I would just go back to the reports that say Barca won't pay him off until they get the 320M from the second rights sale which is due in their accounts next week. If they are still playing hardball with him in 7 days time then you might have a solid reason to worry. So far as the tour goes there is the fact that they are trying to get out of paying the deferred wages, if they leave him off the plane then they could be giving him ammunition for a constructive dismissal claim so they will be very circumspect. We ultimately don't know, in fact the tweet that says he is going on the tour is from one highly dubious source and there have been some equally unverified sources claiming he won't be going and until the plane takes off it is anybodys guess.
The status with De Jong is crazy. He is reluctant. We should move on now.
No, but then again that never happened to Erling Haaland's dad or any other relative either so .....
Never thought of it like that. Hence why i do say we know one side of the story, the side they want to make public and let the fans and the sorts hear.
Barca are just being pretty scummy about it all, they're basically saying "we need you gone to free up some FFP, but we also want to register these shiny new players too". I'd feel really annoyed if i was Frenkie, but then again, as long as he gets him 17m that he's owed, regardless of his public stance, i don't think he cares about whether he stays or not. Thats just my opinion looking at it from an objective viewpoint
You rarely know when a fee as actually been accepted. Even in this case, clubs have allegedly agreed on a fee but there is no actual deal done.
They’ve agreed a fee though and are trying to force him out. Personally I don’t see him going on tour if Barcelona want him gone - it makes no sense. Taking him just tells FDJ if he doesn’t want to move he’ll still play.
Either he really desperately doesn't want to come here at all, or Barcelona are run beyond all sensibility and are holding up a 85M euro deal over 17M euros in deferred wages.
Both options are utterly crazy...
Both options are utterly crazy...
How do you figure that's not true?
I’ve done a lot of moaning in this thread and been very sceptical to say the least all throughout this, I said about 4 weeks ago jokingly that we’ll end up pulling out of this deal and in a panic end up over paying for somebody like Ruben Neves and it’s going to happen isn’t it…..
Should have left this weeks ago and watch Barcelona panic, instead we’ve stuck around like a little lap dog and got virtually nothing else done all summer.
Heads should roll once this deal collapses the useless fecks.
Should have left this weeks ago and watch Barcelona panic, instead we’ve stuck around like a little lap dog and got virtually nothing else done all summer.
Heads should roll once this deal collapses the useless fecks.
Going on tour doesn't mean he'll play. They could take him on tour and have him sat on the bench or in the stands for the entire thing, or bring him on for about 2 or 3 minutes. Kind of like saying "if you stay, this is your future"
He rather stays with his abusive, violent, rude wife it seems
Frenkie says relax
This is correct. It was deferred and there’s nothing “owing” to de Jong per se, except the last 4 years of his contract at a much higher rate when those deferred wages are factored into it.
I agree I don’t understand why he is going on tour if a fee has been agreed and especially if barca are trying to force him out. Things seem very off and it’s going to be interesting to see how this all plays out in the end regardless of the outcome.
So at what point after 2 months and now the player going away for a further 2+ weeks do you leave it then? Because starting the season without a midfielder seems like a complete failure.
Seems like a total waste of a seat.
Virtually nothing else? Are you forgetting we've signed Malacia, Eriksen and agreed a fee/personal terms with Martinez?
Nothing else? Really?
We're sticking around because i imagine that all this media BS is just that... BS. United know the true story. They're in contact with de Jong and his agent... if at any point they said "Nah he truly isn't coming, don't waste your time" then United would absolutely walk away, they'd be totally stupid not too. Thankfully transfers are don't via the media, if they were, nothing would ever get done.
Amsterdam syndrome.
FDJ will play if he doesn't want to move because Barcelona will need him numerically. Barcelona aren't in a good position here and there is no point for them to pretend too much. There is also the Dembélé experience where Laporta made his speach about players that aren't committed and yet he ended up playing because Xavi wanted and needed him.
Doesn't matter to them. They can drive it home to him that if he stays he will play, yes, but he'll get minimal time and it's in his best interests to leave.
We meesed up big times in the past years so we are not really in a position to move to the next target. That is why we wait like a dog for his bone
literally just getting those deals done today and both players will miss the tour, Eriksen agreed to join almost 2 weeks ago we’re fecking beyond slow it’s hilarious.
Should have played Barcelona weeks ago. Come out and publicly withdraw free FdJ and watch them completely panic, I bet the deal would have been done now.
Not taking him on tour sends a far stronger message. And has the benefit of getting it done quicker. If I was Barcelona and I wanted to sell him ASAP to get the 85m fee I’ve arranged he absolutely would not be going on tour.
More like old Trafford syndrome
As i say, you have no idea whats going on behind the scenes. People think transfers happen just like they do in Football Manager... it's not that simple. There are crap tons of variables and obstacles that need to be overcome. It's not a case of submitting a bit, having it accepted then just offering a contract to the player. We're talking big transfers, involving a lot of money. It's never that simple.
From The Muppetiers Discord. Been following them throughout this window and their reporting has been on the money.
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Because he’s their player and he’ll honour his contract. Walking away now would be outrageous
Yes, we’ve always know that we’re only in with a chance of getting him because Barca need him to go. If they were financially stable then he’d be staying
The Dembele situation was different to this. In that case the players were registered and the threat to not play him was intended to browbeat Dembele into signing a contract extension which in January he was not prepared to do. In the end Xavi played him and he ended up renewing at Barca because the huge free transfer payday he anticipated did not materialize due to his injury and attitude concerns.
Wow. If his lawyers didn't put it in writing that those increased wages were deferred wages, then he needs better lawyers.
Muppetiers have been pretty accurate on unvellings lately haha. Not sure about their transfer info, but it makes sense that Barca have given United permission to talk to de Jong as and when necessery.
Personally I don't care if he signs tomorrow or on deadline day, I don't consider this type of signing as short term and there is no sense in moving on mid July just to get an inferior player. The start of the season isn't a breaking point when the player is meant to ideally play 4 or 5 other starts of season. Now I would be working on deadline day alternatives.
Are you trying to be funny, or do you not realise Haaland senior played the very next week after the Keane incident?
I agree 100% from FdJ‘s point of view there’s zero chance he turns down the tour and rightly so but why are Barce taking him after agreeing a fee with us? (supposedly) I can’t seem to make any sense of that are they still trying to get out of paying these deferred wages? Seems ludicrous.
Indeed. In the Dembélé situation they had even less reasons to cave because the players were registered, here they will need De Jong because he is registered and that the issue is that they can't register the new players.
This was always going to drag on till the end of the window, a very complicated transfer and I question whether we should have indulged Ten Hag on this one. I mean, we might as well have spunked big money on Rice, too late for that now though.
I am sure the hold up is Barca and De Jongs agents negotiating how the deffered wage will be paid. De Jongs agents know Barca needs the income from the sale so they are only putting more pressure on Barca the longer they wait.
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