padr81
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@Gentleman Jim - Ah cool, hopefully Messi feels the same and that's why he was quizzing Maffeo during the game the last night.
He's taken a healthy interest in us these last couple of years but I'm sure that it's 98% certain that he irons out his issues and stays at Barca.@Gentleman Jim - Ah cool, hopefully Messi feels the same and that's why he was quizzing Maffeo during the game the last night.
I posted that link earlier in the thread but the response was "ah, The Express. They make it up."http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...Madrid-Barcelona-Bayern-Munich-Premier-League
United could have signed him the previous summer for just 22M.
Think that's the only reason he's here, to be honest. Very hard to believe he'd have turned Barcelona for us otherwise, especially as a young Brazilian. The appeal of Pep is huge, Mendy is another one who seems had made his choice to come to City largely because of who was managing us.I posted that link earlier in the thread but the response was "ah, The Express. They make it up."
The point being that City scouted him, approached him and brokered a deal before United and the other clubs who were in for him got out of First Gear.
A personal call from Pep also gave some impetus to the bid.
Pep studied the methods of Ferguson and is putting some of them in motion at City.Think that's the only reason he's here, to be honest. Very hard to believe he'd have turned Barcelona for us otherwise, especially as a young Brazilian. The appeal of Pep is huge, Mendy is another one who seems had made his choice to come to City largely because of who was managing us.
I did feel that Eto'o was stronger on the ball though and a better all round better finisher. The decision to sell Eto'o is still one of the biggest shocks I've ever seen by a coach, especially to swap him for a striker like Ibra who didn't suit the Barca game.Interesting comparison Pep made today of Jesus to Eto'O, there are definitely similarities
Give the lad a chance he’s only 20, Jesus is strong on the ball for his age. I still actually think his finishing can be a little suspect. I’d never be completely confident of him in a 1v1 situation for example, still needs to gain a bit of composure in front of goal.I did feel that Eto'o was stronger on the ball though and a better all round better finisher. The decision to sell Eto'o is still one of the biggest shocks I've ever seen by a coach, especially to swap him for a striker like Ibra who didn't suit the Barca game.
Eto'o himself said he called Pep a nobody in training and said who does he think is to tell him how to play he's never been a striker, so it's clearly there is more to his selling then just what we hear.I did feel that Eto'o was stronger on the ball though and a better all round better finisher. The decision to sell Eto'o is still one of the biggest shocks I've ever seen by a coach, especially to swap him for a striker like Ibra who didn't suit the Barca game.
Dont pick on the Cafs favourite striker.Overrated Tap in merchant with a face you can't help but want to slap.
Same here, I really hope that Aguero leaves them this summer as per rumours, since he's twice the player Jesus is and they will struggle for goals without him imo.Have to say, apart from his movement (which is top quality in fairness), I don't think he's that special.
His pressing is the best out of all the centre forwards and his close control is good. The thing is I think he is the perfect striker for Pep Guardiola as he does everything to the letter. His problem at the moment is that he is not trying things out of the box like he used to do with Palmeiras.Have to say, apart from his movement (which is top quality in fairness), I don't think he's that special.
Except Agueros finishing has generally been poor since Pep Guardiola came and is the main reason Monco went through missing 3 one vs ones in the second leg.Same here, I really hope that Aguero leaves them this summer as per rumours, since he's twice the player Jesus is and they will struggle for goals without him imo.
Highly doubt that, he's easy to mark out from the game when on his own and doesn't seem to have much of the x factor around him as well that all top strikers have, you really underrate (hopefully Pep too) what value Aguero brings to the team.His pressing is the best out of all the centre forwards and his close control is good. The thing is I think he is the perfect striker for Pep Guardiola as he does everything to the letter. His problem at the moment is that he is not trying things out of the box like he used to do with Palmeiras.
He creates numerical superiroities be it centrally or in the flanks, is flexible and can play any of the front 3 roles and he is the best forward at pressing centre backs. He covers passing lanes. Aguero might score more goals individually but with Gabriel Jesus, Manchester City will score more goals overall as a team even if he getwas goals.
This is what I've been thinking all season long. His best attribute seems to be his knack or instincts to always be in the right place at the right time. That is of course a great ability to have but many in the media fawn over him like he's this spectacular player. I swear it seems like 99% of his goals for City have been tap ins inside the 6 yard box.Have to say, apart from his movement (which is top quality in fairness), I don't think he's that special.
Except Manchester City hav played better when Gabriel Jesus is starting and that is not underrating it is just a fact. All metric point to it and the eye test confirms it. Kun Aguero will be good for another team but Gabriel Jesus is better for Guardiola's tactics.Highly doubt that, he's easy to mark out from the game when on his own and doesn't seem to have much of the x factor around him as well that all top strikers have, you really underrate (hopefully Pep too) what value Aguero brings to the team.
Aguero averages goal & assist every 79min this season, while Jesus record so far is 112min - pretty significant difference, and as you keep mentioning he's not even on the song this season with the missed chances, which he can start converting anytime as he's done in the past. What exactly is baffling here?Except Agueros finishing has generally been poor since Pep Guardiola came and is the main reason Monco went through missing 3 one vs ones in the second leg.
His only elite asset was his finishing and that has long gone perhaps due to lethargy from having to press and not just wait around the box for tap ins. Gabriel Jesus is 100% better for the team and thEY score more goals, defend better and keep the ball better with him in the side. Sterling has more goals than Aguero so how are City struggling for goals exactly? Baffling comment.
Becuase his conversion rate has been like that since Pep Guardiola joined. Again Aguero will score more individually but the team will play better, score more as well and defend better if Gabriel Jesus starts.Aguero averages goal & assist every 79min this season, while Jesus record so far is 112min - pretty significant difference, and as you keep mentioning he's not even on the song this season with the missed chances, which he can start converting anytime as he's in the past. What exactly is baffling here?
You really are a clown with the hard-on for Pep. The strikers you've highlighted have been doing it for years and scoring all kind of imaginable goals out of nowhere, same goes for Aguero. Gabriel Jesus still has all to prove to be classified anywhere near that level.Except Manchester City hav played better when Gabriel Jesus is starting and that is not underrating it is just a fact. All metric point to it and the eye test confirms it. Kun Aguero will be good for another team but Gabriel Jesus is better for Guardiola's tactics.
What x factor does Lewandowski have? Cavani? Even Luis Suarez has been poor for over a season and a half missing pitiful chances. Aguero is better for smaller teams when they open up, Gabriel Jesus is far more effective against the big teams. It's no coincidence Kun Aguero came off against Tottenham and then Manchester City went on to score 4 goals even with Gabriel Jesus missing a penalty. The teams performance went up another level.
Do you mean out of all the centre forwards in the league? I'd say Firmino is better at pressing than Jesus.His pressing is the best out of all the centre forwards and his close control is good. The thing is I think he is the perfect striker for Pep Guardiola as he does everything to the letter. His problem at the moment is that he is not trying things out of the box like he used to do with Palmeiras.
He creates numerical superiroities be it centrally or in the flanks, is flexible and can play any of the front 3 roles and he is the best forward at pressing centre backs. He covers passing lanes. Aguero might score more goals individually but with Gabriel Jesus, Manchester City will score more goals overall as a team even if he getwas goals.
Kun Aguero today is not the same Kun Aguero that came from Atletico de Madrid. That Aguero was a different animal. Today, after all his inuries, he is not as clinical, he is selfish, opens up less passing options for his teammates and doesn't run to create space for his teammates. Today, Gabriel Jesus is better for Manchester City's system than Kun Aguero. It's patently obvious and if you watch City and observe their movement instead of getting overly emotional using Aguero's performance from yesteryears to justify him starting for Pep, you would see it as well.You really are a clown with the hard-on for Pep. The strikers you've highlighted have been doing it for years and scoring all kind of imaginable goals out of nowhere, same goes for Aguero. Gabriel Jesus still has all to prove to be classified anywhere near that level.
Yes becaue Pep doesn't want him to lose the ball so he doesn't try to force dribbles unecedarily. His fishing has to improve and his off the ball movement in terms of getting behind the defence has a large margin for improvement. In that regard he can learn from Sterling who has the best off the ball movement behind the opposition line with regards to timing.Do you mean out of all the centre forwards in the league? I'd say Firmino is better at pressing than Jesus.
'He's not trying things out of the box like he used to'. Is that code for he is playing average this season, apart from his movement and pressing?
That's the original point I made.
You can make the point about City playing better as a team, but as a focal striker Jesus is also there to score goals. Of course City in this current fine form have other players throughout the team chipping in with goals, like Sterling tonight, but when things aren't going exactly to plan you need to rely on your focal striker for the goals. Personally I'd be very glad if they sold Aguero and made Jesus their main man long term, as I don't think he can score the somewhat unexpected goals like Aguero did many times over the years.
Well you'll get the chance to evaluate that when he plays for Brazil with Neymar in the WC this summer, won't you?This is what I've been thinking all season long. His best attribute seems to be his knack or instincts to always be in the right place at the right time. That is of course a great ability to have but many in the media fawn over him like he's this spectacular player. I swear it seems like 99% of his goals for City have been tap ins inside the 6 yard box.
I think any decent poacher would look great and score loads of goals in this City team. Likewise, I don't think Jesus would look nearly as good in another team.
Spot on.He will start banging goals as he gains more experience. People tend to judge young players way too soon just like with rashford /martial. Jesus is a top talent and he will score many.
Thats because Aguero scored a bunch of penalties. If you take those away Jesus is superior metrically, nevermind the other stuff like closing out, pressuring CB, link up, etc. Aguero has a better 1 on 1 skill.Aguero averages goal & assist every 79min this season, while Jesus record so far is 112min - pretty significant difference, and as you keep mentioning he's not even on the song this season with the missed chances, which he can start converting anytime as he's done in the past. What exactly is baffling here?