Alternatively, one could say we've learned that success can be fleeting and that we should enjoy every win/good performance in the fullest because who knows what the next game will bring.
Getting carried away after a win against PSG, it seems like the caf has learned nothing
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The win last CL was lucky, luck had nothing to do with yesterday's win. If you can't tell the difference you really should not be commenting on football in any forum.
Celebrating a good victory is overrated anyway ..
Bloody hell, if this was AFTV we'd be talking about winning the league and all sorts of bollocks. Enjoy a good performance.
You can clearly tell he/she is definitely on a WUM considering the fact they haven't bothered to reply to anyone since posting this stupid thread.
Also I'm surprised I haven't seen sammsky burst in here like that Jose gif! I scrolled through the pages waiting for it!
Also I'm surprised I haven't seen sammsky burst in here like that Jose gif! I scrolled through the pages waiting for it!
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But it made me happy.
Yep, people should be celebrating the win, the team performance, and the performance of particular players (Axel, DDG, Telles, Fred/McT, even Pogba when he came on), especially in light of recent results and the relatively disappointing transfer window. That is great and OP needs to lighten up a bit
That being said, there was a thread before the Newcastle game that asked whether United were relegation candidates and a thread after the PSG match that asked whether the team can make a title challenge and win the CL. Both are over the top, one definitely more than the other, so fans need to fine a happy medium somewhere
He didn't play against Palace.
I honestly think the current squad is good enough to challenge for the league on paper but it's all about players putting on consistent performance week in week out now for that to happen. There's ton of quality in our main lineup and our squad depth doesn't look as bad as last season after the last market. It's all about consistency now.
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Mostly agree with you OP, even if you are being a little too negative. Very important to not get carried away as the 6-1 against Spurs is still fresh, but still no harm in enjoying last night's brilliant performance even if it was another false dawn (it likely was).
You know, if we can string together 30 false dawns, we might just win the league
I think we played well, with grit and panache. The trick now is to extend this kind of team cohesion into the whole season and adjust to different opponents. I worry about the first team running out of gas after a dozen games.
I wasn't surprised the least with yesterday's win. Anyone who's watched Ole versus big teams that are more expansive know that we often do much better versus them than versus smaller teams who sit back. We know this. Improvement will be evident when we can break down deep defending units.
Not everything has to have some big deeper meaning.
We played well in a system setup to stifle and frustrate them, whilst being dangerous on the counter. Let's just enjoy being in the CL and getting a good away win.
We played well in a system setup to stifle and frustrate them, whilst being dangerous on the counter. Let's just enjoy being in the CL and getting a good away win.
It is always best to be polite, so let me just say that the rebuild is proceeding well and anyone using an away win against a finalist from the last CL tournament as a sign that Utd is turning into a mid-table team is, at the least. questionable in judgment.
We learned loads last night, and on Saturday against Newcastle.
*We started the season unfit and not anywhere near the required standard to compete in this league. We weren't the only ones. Liverpool, City etc..
* We have caught up on the fitness front now.
* Ole can adapt and be successful with different formations. His tactics against Newcastle and PSG were absolutely spot on. His subs were brought on at the right times, and the formation matched up to the opposition.
* Our defense is completely revolutionized with an injection of pace. Someone who can cut out the danger or match forwards for pace is the piece of the jigsaw we are missing.
* Shaw is better in a back 3
* Telles looks a real player. His corners were sublime, his crosses were inch perfect. We haven't had a left footer who can cross since Dennis Irwin.
* McTom and Fred can dominate a midfield battle, and win the ball back or protect the center backs.
* AWB is a solid full-back, even against the best in the world. Even better with a speedy center back who can fill in behind when he is going forward.
* Rashford can step up when it matters.
* We can play well and win without Pogba.
* Our bench last night represented some real strength in depth.
* This squad is definitely better than the one we had last season.
*We started the season unfit and not anywhere near the required standard to compete in this league. We weren't the only ones. Liverpool, City etc..
* We have caught up on the fitness front now.
* Ole can adapt and be successful with different formations. His tactics against Newcastle and PSG were absolutely spot on. His subs were brought on at the right times, and the formation matched up to the opposition.
* Our defense is completely revolutionized with an injection of pace. Someone who can cut out the danger or match forwards for pace is the piece of the jigsaw we are missing.
* Shaw is better in a back 3
* Telles looks a real player. His corners were sublime, his crosses were inch perfect. We haven't had a left footer who can cross since Dennis Irwin.
* McTom and Fred can dominate a midfield battle, and win the ball back or protect the center backs.
* AWB is a solid full-back, even against the best in the world. Even better with a speedy center back who can fill in behind when he is going forward.
* Rashford can step up when it matters.
* We can play well and win without Pogba.
* Our bench last night represented some real strength in depth.
* This squad is definitely better than the one we had last season.
Are you even a United supporter? Enjoy the moments when they come. We are moving in the right direction. Why such a negative Nancy?
Ffs, what is the matter with people. I didn't really notice anybody getting carried away but most were rejoicing after a resounding win against PSG with Neymar, Mbappe and Di Maria. And that was without Pogba for the most part, Greenwood and Van Der Beek
That's twice Ole has stuffed PSG in their own back yard!
The Ole Outers are just never going to let it go.
That's twice Ole has stuffed PSG in their own back yard!
The Ole Outers are just never going to let it go.
It's very rarely that I agree with you but on this occasion you're spot on. When you look at who's on the pitch and who's on the bench and better still who is unavailable and still to come in, we're looking as strong as we have done for years depthwise. Sancho would have been the icing on the cake. Personally I'm happy with Cavani but Solskjaer is certainly blessed with better options now, that's for sure.
Sorry that you sound so disappointed about the win. Hopefully, we´ll lose to Chelsea so you can feel alive again.
Meanwhile, United have won 10 consecutive away games for the first time in the history of the club. Life is hard.
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Nah.
We've had a terrible start, with several games complete abberations for various reasons, but our bottom level currently is nothing like the timid, panic stricken fragility of previous management. We're much less clueless and ponderous going forward. We suffer badly with individual errors, and you can blame 'coaching' to a degree, but when it all clicks and we play well there's always canny stuff going on under the hood making things tick. Accusations of incompetence toward whatever/whoever our tactical set up is are massively exaggerated, and as wide of the mark as a Bebe cross.
There have been some major wobbles in trying to take things up a notch, but some crazy stuff happening too. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong, but maybe we needed that to properly switch on. Either way, it's early on in a work in progress with a non existent pre-season.
Be apprehensive by all means, but aside from the goblins upstairs, what's happening looks to be putting us on a good path. Unless you're expecting an era of Fergie like dominance, the future is brighter than it's been for the last seven years. To say "getting carried away" could equally apply to negativity, as it seems it often does around here.
It's a troll thread anyway, right?
We've had a terrible start, with several games complete abberations for various reasons, but our bottom level currently is nothing like the timid, panic stricken fragility of previous management. We're much less clueless and ponderous going forward. We suffer badly with individual errors, and you can blame 'coaching' to a degree, but when it all clicks and we play well there's always canny stuff going on under the hood making things tick. Accusations of incompetence toward whatever/whoever our tactical set up is are massively exaggerated, and as wide of the mark as a Bebe cross.
There have been some major wobbles in trying to take things up a notch, but some crazy stuff happening too. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong, but maybe we needed that to properly switch on. Either way, it's early on in a work in progress with a non existent pre-season.
Be apprehensive by all means, but aside from the goblins upstairs, what's happening looks to be putting us on a good path. Unless you're expecting an era of Fergie like dominance, the future is brighter than it's been for the last seven years. To say "getting carried away" could equally apply to negativity, as it seems it often does around here.
It's a troll thread anyway, right?
Load of rubbish. Ole took over a squad that lacked depth, quality, identity, confidence and the right attitude.
Since then, he's got rid of the mercenaries, signed players who WANT to be at the club for the right reasons, massively improved our squad, blooded young players AND achieved our 2nd highest finish since 2013.
Sure at times last season we played like underdogs...because we were! Your criticism is basically 'Ole won games with inferior players by setting us up well tactically'
Your criticism about us failing to beat 'lesser' teams is not valid either, since post-Fernandes we've been much better in this respect - can't be bothered to look up the stats but think we're top of every form table since Feb
Plus, we didn't PLAY like an underdog yesterday. We went to PSG, we out-fought them, we out-played them and we won. If you've an issue with this I'm not sure what you hope to get out of watching Utd!
That´s exactly have I was arguing with all the doom and gloom after a disappointing transfer window. We have a strong squad, and there are very few of the signings done by our rivals that would strengthen our team. And the good news is that since end of January, we have been very consistent - of course with the exception of the first few games this season which we entered unprepared. Ole said it would take 5 games before we were up and running, and by the look of it, he was right.
I agree we don't need to make a hen from a feather but more than the result the will and fighting spirit we saw last night made me very happy. We didn't play beautiful football and certainly not the Manchester United kind we've got used to under SAF but the team fought hard and with intensity and that's something that has been lacking. Hopefully we can gather some momentum and do well in the league.
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PSG 14 (5) - 14 (6) Man Utd
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PSG 11 - 8 Man Utd
Not bad from the plucky underdog. Wasn’t like last time when we parked the bus and hung on for life, we deserved the win this time - better decision making in the final pass and could have easily scored 4/5.
Other than a nervy 15 minutes at the start of the second half, thought we played really well, so I’ll enjoy it thanks.
PSG 14 (5) - 14 (6) Man Utd
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PSG 11 - 8 Man Utd
Not bad from the plucky underdog. Wasn’t like last time when we parked the bus and hung on for life, we deserved the win this time - better decision making in the final pass and could have easily scored 4/5.
Other than a nervy 15 minutes at the start of the second half, thought we played really well, so I’ll enjoy it thanks.
Shaw was fine a lb when we switched to a back 4 and he was good on the weekend as well.
I don't agree. There are nuances to being Ole out. The poll we have is a bit pointless with regard to the options. For instance, I do not think Ole is the man to take us places, but I also don't think a half-baked managerial switch during the season is the best way to do things. If Ole can display consistency of performance - including dominating teams we should dominate - it would certainly change how I see him, but he hasn't so I'm still of the opinion that he's not the man to manage the team.
I'll admit that I got worried with the start of the season and Ole's body language (and sitting throughout games watching the monitor). He looked defeated. But the team has responded magnificently to the mini crisis and that's a great sign for him, personally.
Many think Ole is just here to steady the ship and prepare for the future, but I think it's pretty clear he desperately wants to be here long-term and that's presumably the hope from the board. For many people, getting on board with that requires much more improvement. I'm in that boat and I see nothing negative about it.
Edit: It probably needs to be said, strange as that is, but I was elated with the performance last night. I suspect 99.9999999% of people who don't believe Ole is good enough, are happy when we win and doubly so when we perform well. I suspect this is a nice narrative to slate those who aren't team Ole.
Can't believe the negative comments, I'm buzzing after that win. If you can't enjoy moments like that then supporting a team probably isn't for you.
I don't see negative either way, if he s steadying the ship after 6 years then allowing him extra time to completely set the foundations ( at least sell Pogba first) is a good idea. Likewise, if he proves himself to be a long term appointment, giving him the opportunity to prove that, given that this would be the first time that we have real expectations under him given the good job he has done so far, should suffice. If people are Ole out, I feel now is way too early to display it, especially given how good the club has been in the last 6 months. It can be seen as waiting for him and the club to fail, rather than supporting the club fully.
It makes it too easy for the media to attack the club because at the first sight of a slip we have fans waiting to attack the club, which is exactly what happened to start the season. I understand the skepticism given the amount of years we have gone without challenging and how long we allowed bad moves and management, but punishing Ole for Mourinho, LVG, Moyes and Woodward's past transgressions isn't the right approach, especially given the fact that he has had the hardest job to do of all three. He has been tasked with resetting the culture and strategy of the club, something which he has done.
Are we allowed to be happy about the win? I don't think people are getting carried away, they're just happy we played a good game on a tough away trip and got a brilliant win. Part about us being a plucky midtable team is strange and wrong. We actually were a better and more dangerous team yesterday and we took the game to them.
I'll give you that you're persuasive in your argumentation. I don't buy into the notion that he's been made to reshape everything from top to bottom. And definitely not that he's had the toughest job of the four post-SAF managers. In my mind, that was clearly Moyes. LVG probably had the easiest job, after Moyes had taken on the poisoned chalice which broke him. Mourinho inherited an imbalanced team, arguably not suited to his approach. LVG did the most damage IMV in terms of recruitment and sales. So no easy job following from there. And Ole similar to Mourinho had a tough ask with players probably not suited to how he wants to play (which I'm still trying to figure out - above and beyond counter attack) and some bad signings.
In terms of recruitment, until we know how exactly Ole wants his team to play - by and large - we can't be certain that the players he's bought are suitable.
Take Bruno out of this team and where is the cultural reset? It is largely still a team devoid of leaders, though some of the younger players are certainly improving and becoming more confident - which is credit to Ole.
In another context - looking at the club and its leadership - what does it say after spending maybe 600 million on players and having (one of) the largest wage bills in world football, that they hire a new manager and brief the club will be competitive in 3 years.
I'd say this season is the season to properly judge Ole as a manager.
I don't see the similarities between this match and 19 months ago at all to be honest. If anything, it showed the progress we've made.
We played a back three to stifle one of the best front lines in world football. But we also actually played a lot of really good football, and didn't rely on a huge slice of luck to scrape through. We were deserving winners, playing the better football.
Would you rather we lost, but played kamikaze football with full backs bombing down the line, and our CB's exposed against Mbappe and Neymar? If we can't enjoy nights like this then what's the point?
Best part of it for me was that Ole answered a few questions tonight. Tactically, he got it spot on, in terms of his original team selection and his choice of subs to try and go for the win. We're in a great position now to kick on and win the group.
We played a back three to stifle one of the best front lines in world football. But we also actually played a lot of really good football, and didn't rely on a huge slice of luck to scrape through. We were deserving winners, playing the better football.
Would you rather we lost, but played kamikaze football with full backs bombing down the line, and our CB's exposed against Mbappe and Neymar? If we can't enjoy nights like this then what's the point?
Best part of it for me was that Ole answered a few questions tonight. Tactically, he got it spot on, in terms of his original team selection and his choice of subs to try and go for the win. We're in a great position now to kick on and win the group.
A midtable team? Thats up there with the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read on here . I'm not sure if this is a WUM and I really hope it is. I didn't know midtable teams qualified for the CL and that's all the response that idiocy deserves .
Check the "this is progress thread". We are now title challengers and CL dark horses
Ah, another poster to hit ignore on.
Policing others' happiness when supporting their football club has always been quite weird to me
It is sad that there are so many on here that are glass half empty mentality and they must be pretty miserable if they have that outlook on life.
Football is about highs and lows and if people can't enjoy the highs when they come around then I would advise them to follow something else.
Can we just leave all negative comments for once and just enjoy an excellent away performance against the CL runners up.