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Alternatively, one could say we've learned that success can be fleeting and that we should enjoy every win/good performance in the fullest because who knows what the next game will bring.
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The win last CL was lucky, luck had nothing to do with yesterday's win. If you can't tell the difference you really should not be commenting on football in any forum.Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
But it made me happy.Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
Yep, people should be celebrating the win, the team performance, and the performance of particular players (Axel, DDG, Telles, Fred/McT, even Pogba when he came on), especially in light of recent results and the relatively disappointing transfer window. That is great and OP needs to lighten up a bitAlternatively, one could say we've learned that success can be fleeting and that we should enjoy every win/good performance in the fullest because who knows what the next game will bring.
He didn't play against Palace.I agree with most of this except the AWB part. Solly March and Wilf Zaha have so far made him look like Bambi on ice. Not sure what happened in those matches but he was a big part of the problems we faces against those teams.
Last night he was excellent and that should be the level he needs to reach every week.
I honestly think the current squad is good enough to challenge for the league on paper but it's all about players putting on consistent performance week in week out now for that to happen. There's ton of quality in our main lineup and our squad depth doesn't look as bad as last season after the last market. It's all about consistency now.Yep, people should be celebrating the win, the team performance, and the performance of particular players (Axel, DDG, Telles, Fred/McT, even Pogba when he came on), especially in light of recent results and the relatively disappointing transfer window. That is great and OP needs to lighten up a bit
That being said, there was a thread before the Newcastle game that asked whether United were relegation candidates and a thread after the PSG match that asked whether the team can make a title challenge and win the CL. Both are over the top, one definitely more than the other, so fans need to fine a happy medium somewhere
You know, if we can string together 30 false dawns, we might just win the leagueMostly agree with you OP, even if you are being a little too negative. Very important to not get carried away as the 6-1 against Spurs is still fresh, but still no harm in enjoying last night's brilliant performance even if it was another false dawn (it likely was).
He didn't play against Palace.
It is always best to be polite, so let me just say that the rebuild is proceeding well and anyone using an away win against a finalist from the last CL tournament as a sign that Utd is turning into a mid-table team is, at the least. questionable in judgment.Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
Are you even a United supporter? Enjoy the moments when they come. We are moving in the right direction. Why such a negative Nancy?Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
It's very rarely that I agree with you but on this occasion you're spot on. When you look at who's on the pitch and who's on the bench and better still who is unavailable and still to come in, we're looking as strong as we have done for years depthwise. Sancho would have been the icing on the cake. Personally I'm happy with Cavani but Solskjaer is certainly blessed with better options now, that's for sure.I honestly think the current squad is good enough to challenge for the league on paper but it's all about players putting on consistent performance week in week out now for that to happens. There's ton of quality in our main lineup and our squad depth doesn't look as bad as last season after the last market. It's all about consistency now.
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Sorry that you sound so disappointed about the win. Hopefully, we´ll lose to Chelsea so you can feel alive again.Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
Load of rubbish. Ole took over a squad that lacked depth, quality, identity, confidence and the right attitude.Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
That´s exactly have I was arguing with all the doom and gloom after a disappointing transfer window. We have a strong squad, and there are very few of the signings done by our rivals that would strengthen our team. And the good news is that since end of January, we have been very consistent - of course with the exception of the first few games this season which we entered unprepared. Ole said it would take 5 games before we were up and running, and by the look of it, he was right.I honestly think the current squad is good enough to challenge for the league on paper but it's all about players putting on consistent performance week in week out now for that to happen. There's ton of quality in our main lineup and our squad depth doesn't look as bad as last season after the last market. It's all about consistency now.
I agree we don't need to make a hen from a feather but more than the result the will and fighting spirit we saw last night made me very happy. We didn't play beautiful football and certainly not the Manchester United kind we've got used to under SAF but the team fought hard and with intensity and that's something that has been lacking. Hopefully we can gather some momentum and do well in the league.Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
Shaw was fine a lb when we switched to a back 4 and he was good on the weekend as well.We learned some new things though:
Most importantly we've won because we've been the better team overall, not relying on individual brilliance. That certainly is a good sign, and hopefully we'll gain some momentum now. About time for big league games.
- Shaw is better fit for LCB than left back, let alone wingback
- Lindelof can be a fine defender if surrounded by pace (same applies to Maguire I'm sure)
- we should not fear any wingers against Wan Bissaka, PSG was at tough game as it gets with Mbappe and Neymar coming at him
- Fred and McTominay didn't crumble when pressed (although this PSG side wasn't particularly great, they still have quality all over the pitch)
I don't agree. There are nuances to being Ole out. The poll we have is a bit pointless with regard to the options. For instance, I do not think Ole is the man to take us places, but I also don't think a half-baked managerial switch during the season is the best way to do things. If Ole can display consistency of performance - including dominating teams we should dominate - it would certainly change how I see him, but he hasn't so I'm still of the opinion that he's not the man to manage the team.TBH its still very negative to be Ole out at this point. We are clearly building, bringing in new players both from outside and the academy, improving the team all around. Isn't this what people wanted us to get a DOF for? Isn't this why we sacked Jose?
For me, even if Ole isn't the guy long term, he's building and has built something that could really be successful after we failed to rebuild initially.
I don't see negative either way, if he s steadying the ship after 6 years then allowing him extra time to completely set the foundations ( at least sell Pogba first) is a good idea. Likewise, if he proves himself to be a long term appointment, giving him the opportunity to prove that, given that this would be the first time that we have real expectations under him given the good job he has done so far, should suffice. If people are Ole out, I feel now is way too early to display it, especially given how good the club has been in the last 6 months. It can be seen as waiting for him and the club to fail, rather than supporting the club fully.I don't agree. There are nuances to being Ole out. The poll we have is a bit pointless with regard to the options. For instance, I do not think Ole is the man to take us places, but I also don't think a half-baked managerial switch during the season is the best way to do things. If Ole can display consistency of performance - including dominating teams we should dominate - it would certainly change how I see him, but he hasn't so I'm still of the opinion that he's not the man to manage the team.
I'll admit that I got worried with the start of the season and Ole's body language (and sitting throughout games watching the monitor). He looked defeated. But the team has responded magnificently to the mini crisis and that's a great sign for him, personally.
Many think Ole is just here to steady the ship and prepare for the future, but I think it's pretty clear he desperately wants to be here long-term and that's presumably the hope from the board. For many people, getting on board with that requires much more improvement. I'm in that boat and I see nothing negative about it.
I'll give you that you're persuasive in your argumentation. I don't buy into the notion that he's been made to reshape everything from top to bottom. And definitely not that he's had the toughest job of the four post-SAF managers. In my mind, that was clearly Moyes. LVG probably had the easiest job, after Moyes had taken on the poisoned chalice which broke him. Mourinho inherited an imbalanced team, arguably not suited to his approach. LVG did the most damage IMV in terms of recruitment and sales. So no easy job following from there. And Ole similar to Mourinho had a tough ask with players probably not suited to how he wants to play (which I'm still trying to figure out - above and beyond counter attack) and some bad signings.I don't see negative either way, if he s steadying the ship after 6 years then allowing him extra time to completely set the foundations ( at least sell Pogba first) is a good idea. Likewise, if he proves himself to be a long term appointment, giving him the opportunity to prove that, given that this would be the first time that we have real expectations under him given the good job he has done so far, should suffice. If people are Ole out, I feel now is way too early to display it, especially given how good the club has been in the last 6 months. It can be seen as waiting for him and the club to fail, rather than supporting the club fully.
It makes it too easy for the media to attack the club because at the first sight of a slip we have fans waiting to attack the club, which is exactly what happened to start the season. I understand the skepticism given the amount of years we have gone without challenging and how long we allowed bad moves and management, but punishing Ole for Mourinho, LVG, Moyes and Woodward's past transgressions isn't the right approach, especially given the fact that he has had the hardest job to do of all three. He has been tasked with resetting the culture and strategy of the club, something which he has done.
Did we learn anything from that win that we didn't already know?
Didn't we already know United can play five at the back and get a favourable result away against another European top club?
Didn't we already know that this United side thrives when being the underdog, ie not expected to win?
Didn't we already know that United can win narrow games thanks to penalties, and do we know that the penalties will sooner or later dry up?
Solkjaer's quest to turn United into a plucky midtable club is def succeeding.
When this United side can easily brush aside the likes of Crystal Palace/Tottenham at home, when the pressure is still on, with a swagger befitting of one of the biggest clubs in the world, that's when Solkjaer can start proving everyone wrong. A win in the CL group stage against a poor PSG side fielding such mediocrity as Kean, Herrera and Kurzawa, is no impressive feat at all.
Check the "this is progress thread". We are now title challengers and CL dark horsesHave seen people understandably enjoy last night, we've had little to shout about in recent months so why not? Don't think people are getting carried away, big game Saturday to come.
It is sad that there are so many on here that are glass half empty mentality and they must be pretty miserable if they have that outlook on life.Why can’t people just enjoy something good, whether it lasts or is fleeting? I’m certified depressed at the moment and even I think this place is bleak!
It was a brilliant result against a team that only two months ago was playing in the final of the champions league. Let’s not take that away from the team.