youngrell
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Yup. Jose just dropped them for months or moaned about them in interviews. Ole kicks them outHe's been far more ruthless than Jose in this regard surprisingly.
Yup. Jose just dropped them for months or moaned about them in interviews. Ole kicks them outHe's been far more ruthless than Jose in this regard surprisingly.
So ruthless he’ll welcome Sanchez back with open arms.Despite ruthlessly ripping players from the squad who don't have the correct mentality or quality for United?
I think he's laid down quite a marker for the players, that you will be moved on if you don't fit in.
De Gea was world class for us in several seasons.What is the difference between De Gea and Pogba?
What has that got to do with the right mentality? Most of the players mentioned have never been world class for a second.De Gea was world class for us in several seasons.
Seriously. Take a day off once in a while. Counter-attacking football is playing to the strengths of the squad that he has available to him. Its sensible management. Buying players with the right mentality and selling the rest is sensible management. As we start adding different types of player to this squad we will start to see the team move to a different style of football. Its not a difficult thing to understand.Sorry, the players mentalities don't matter if the manager himself lacks the right mentality. A Man United manager should not be playing cagey counter-attacking football 99% of the time. We could bring in the most mentally solid guys out there, if the manager keeps telling to play as though theyre afraid of losing, they'll be considered weak and deadwood within 1 season.
Sanchez is never going to let go of his contract.So ruthless he’ll welcome Sanchez back with open arms.
Remember when he said Smalling was great, but then let him leave on loan?So ruthless he’ll welcome Sanchez back with open arms.
SAF was the prime example what good leadership can bring to the table.Its extremely important imo and one of the main ingredients to how Fergie was so successful.
Of course players can improve their mentality and attitude with the right coaching and motivation, but you need a certain type of player and identifying those is half the job. Di Maria is prime example of a player who only came because of money. Get too many of those type of players and you will end up in trouble
What does that have to do with what I wrote?Here we go. He hasn't even played yet.
For me he burned his bridges when he allowed his agent to say what he said and did not publicly support this club. Usually I think footballers are best served saying as little as possible but in that case I believe a statement was required. None of us have any great faith that he wants to play for the club anymore, rightly or wrongly. For me that would be the separator and what puts Pogba into the bracket of players who we should be looking beyond. I'd love to be wrong about that though.What has that got to do with the right mentality? Most of the players mentioned have never been world class for a second.
Scenario 1 - an offer from Inter or any other club for a player we seem to be desperate to get off of our wage billRemember when he said Smalling was great, but then let him leave on loan?
Remember when he said Alexis was going to give us a boost last summer and got him out on loan?
Remember when he said Lukaku was a world class striker and sold him?
Actions speak louder than words. Saying Alexis is done at United serves no purpose, so he says some fluff about how he'll prove everybody wrong next year, and people take it as gospel instead of looking at his actual actions since he's come into the job.
But this has nothing to do with the right mentality within the locker room, it's about your feeling as an outsider. De Gea is someone that also actively tried to leave the club and was sidelined when his head was somewhere else, he also started to totally lose focus at the end of last season when his future was being discussed behind the scene. Now maybe he is a leader behind the scene and a great model to follow but from the outside I don't see why he is at the top of the list and not Pogba or Martial who has always been challenged by Mourinho and always responded which is also more than you can say about half of the players on this list who have done nothing and have never been challenged, maybe they will show that they have the right attitude in the future but today, they have no business being listed, Greenwood being an example.For me he burned his bridges when he allowed his agent to say what he said and did not publicly support this club. Usually I think footballers are best served saying as little as possible but in that case I believe a statement was required. None of us have any great faith that he wants to play for the club anymore, rightly or wrongly. For me that would be the separator and what puts Pogba into the bracket of players who we should be looking beyond. I'd love to be wrong about that though.
Indeed. We can be Ole in or out but if you are a real fan, you will understand what he is trying to do. Does he want new signings? ofcourse he does. But Ole is a United man, he will not want to spend £100m on Dybala knowing he is coming here for the money.It’s the first time the club has taken a real positive step in regards to recruitment since SAF left. I’d even question some of his latter signings in this respect.
Knock Ole as much as many do, but he is absolutely right about who or what we need to recruit IMO. Whether he gets his players is not down to him.
The players we have let go are all players many, many supporters wanted to see out of the door. I suspect Young was one of the few who really had United at heart but he engineered his move in the end.
Undoubtedly, we are heading in the right direction in recruitment.
Exactly. It's possible that tactically he isn't good enough to be our manager but we should at the very least keep him around the club. He knows what kind of players we need and how the mentality should be. So far our tactic seemed to be to just buy the next big thing or the already established name but that changed completely when Ole came in. I can really see a positive change in the next few years when it comes to our squad. Now let's hope he can have them perform on the field.Despite ruthlessly ripping players from the squad who don't have the correct mentality or quality for United?
I think he's laid down quite a marker for the players, that you will be moved on if you don't fit in.
Agreed.I think getting owners, sporting directors, and similar staff with the right mentality is equally just as important as the players and their mentality. Unless we get both sides of the coin singing from the same sheet, this club will continue to go nowhere fast.
I'd freaking love to see Dybala as our nr 10 than lingaard.Indeed. We can be Ole in or out but if you are a real fan, you will understand what he is trying to do. Does he want new signings? ofcourse he does. But Ole is a United man, he will not want to spend £100m on Dybala knowing he is coming here for the money.
He will rather give the players who have United at heart a chance. What he has done this season is put faith in players. Martial, Lindelof, Fred, Rashford, Lingard, Perreira.
Some have rewarded his faith like Rashford and some have backfired like Lingard. But now we know Lingard and Perreira cannot do the job.
We are building something with a good foundation. We could easily have Maguire, Williams, AWB, Henderson, McTominay, Rashford, Martial, Bruno, Dalot, Fred, James together for 5/6 years and then add in real quality alongside them.
These players have seen the bad times, they will be hungry to succeed.
Agreed to most of this and we can add Dalot/Lindelöf to this list.How important is this in your opinion?
It seems with the signing of Bruno United are continuing to get players of a certain profile. They are young, hungry, want to play for United and have a bit of fire and bite about them. I know there's alot of negativity around the club but surely this is the right way to go moving forward as a decreased winning mentality and desire is something we have all seen disappear in recent times. Liverpool are a prime example of how that mentality can elevate players to another level and make a team function together.
Maguire, AWB, James and Bruno all fit the profile. Obviously there's continued work to do but if you look at our players, including those we have brought through, the theme is clear;
DDG
Williams
Maguire
AWB
Fred
Mctominay
Bruno
James
Rashford
Greenwood
The above all want to be here and are hungry to succeed. They just have that bit of something that means they'll bust their gut and do all they can on the pitch. It's subjective of course but that's my opinion. Then you have the likes of Lindelof, Shaw, Pogba, Martial. They make up the rest to a degree and need to show that fire to be here for me.
We are genuinely trying to build something and I'm positive about that. Plenty of work to do but I do think we are going after the right kind of player (and purging the squad of the older/wrong types).
Perreira and Mata got new contracts, Jones And Rojo were both kept despite begin worse than Smalling.Remember when he said Smalling was great, but then let him leave on loan?
Remember when he said Alexis was going to give us a boost last summer and got him out on loan?
Remember when he said Lukaku was a world class striker and sold him?
Actions speak louder than words. Saying Alexis is done at United serves no purpose, so he says some fluff about how he'll prove everybody wrong next year, and people take it as gospel instead of looking at his actual actions since he's come into the job.
I fully agree, and we will never have any idea who has the right mentality within the locker room. We can only assume that the players staying or going are doing so because of what is happening inside those walls. De Gea had his moments, and if that happened now we might well cut our losses and go with Henderson or Romero.But this has nothing to do with the right mentality within the locker room, it's about your feeling as an outsider. De Gea is someone that also actively tried to leave the club and was sidelined when his head was somewhere else, he also started to totally lose focus at the end of last season when his future was being discussed behind the scene. Now maybe he is a leader behind the scene and a great model to follow but from the outside I don't see why he is at the top of the list and not Pogba or Martial who has always been challenged by Mourinho and always responded which is also more than you can say about half of the players on this list who have done nothing and have never been challenged, maybe they will show that they have the right attitude in the future but today, they have no business being listed, Greenwood being an example.
Do you not see the silliness of this? You are making daily comments of the same nature, too - just positive ones. Take a day off, mate.Seriously. Take a day off once in a while. Counter-attacking football is playing to the strengths of the squad that he has available to him. Its sensible management. Buying players with the right mentality and selling the rest is sensible management. As we start adding different types of player to this squad we will start to see the team move to a different style of football. Its not a difficult thing to understand.
Don't you remember him bigging Sanchez up regularly before sending him off to Inter? I wouldn't read too much into his comments yesterday.So ruthless he’ll welcome Sanchez back with open arms.
Do you not agree that a counter-attacking style of play (not that I think that this is the only string in our bow) is the best strategy for this group of players? How would you have us set-up - with this group of players?Do you not see the silliness of this? You are making daily comments of the same nature, too - just positive ones. Take a day off, mate.
There is a difference here.. Dybala does not want to come to United. He never did and if he did was for one reason only, the money. He would flip as soon as the things went south like Di Maria.I'd freaking love to see Dybala as our nr 10 than lingaard.
Do you think David Silva, Aguero and Toure ever dreamed of playing for city?
There's nothing wrong with counter attacking anyway, it is not a negative tactic and I'm sick of seeing it as a stick to beat the manager with.Do you not agree that a counter-attacking style of play (not that I think that this is the only string in our bow) is the best strategy for this group of players? How would you have us set-up - with this group of players?
Yeah, it can only take you so far, but that applies to quality as well. Quality will fluctuate like form, but if everyone has the right amount of desire, the function of a team will be consistent and yield better results over time. Liverpool and Leicester teams are good examples of this where everyones attitude is great the team quickly become greater than it's parts, but as you say you absolutely need quality players to make a real impact in this league.I think it's important but with most things intangible I feel it's importance is overstated. We lack quality more than anything, no amount of desire or hunger or whatever is going to make some of our wasters good players.
Dont worry he’ll be gone in the summer but most players will be here.Sorry, the players mentalities don't matter if the manager himself lacks the right mentality. A Man United manager should not be playing cagey counter-attacking football 99% of the time. We could bring in the most mentally solid guys out there, if the manager keeps telling to play as though theyre afraid of losing, they'll be considered weak and deadwood within 1 season.
I don’t read into anything to be honest. Ole selling players isn’t driving a cultural or mental reboot he’s simply having to sell before he can buy.Don't you remember him bigging Sanchez up regularly before sending him off to Inter? I wouldn't read too much into his comments yesterday.