they handed themselves in and will get a small fine because they're gonna show contrition in court while theresa may will and her goons act shocked and appalled about all this despite the people from greenfell still not having homes
Grenfell Tower Fire | 14th June 2017
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A sixth person has been arrested and garden has been searched.
The fact that their names and pictures are now being published will be a pretty significant punishment, I think. Everyone they know/work with etc will be talking about them, and hopefully the majority of those people will be disgusted by their actions.
Exactly. If there are any charges then it'll be with respect to any laws they have broken I'd have thought. I doubt the police are scurrying around trying to drum up charges.
All this talk of 'I'd rather police do actual police work' is misguided, how distracting do people actually think this ended up being? They will just act on a report as they normally would...
I don’t know if it is happening in this case but the police do act politically and respond to the media. Look at the Cliff Richard case.
A large part of Police's role is to be a deterrent to crime and if they are seen to crack down hard on this racist display then it might discourage countless other acts of racist aggression we have seen shared on social media in last couple of years.
Racist behavior has been on the increase since the referendum and Trump winning. Time to enforce some tolerant behavior the only way some people can understand.
Any other examples of this impending epidemic?
Yeah if they break the law sure. Otherwise I'm happy for them to get exposed so that the public can dish out some retribution/street justice.
It’s how they operate on one level.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...hreatens-legal-action-against-vile-met-police
Unrelated and not indicative of anything. I know some of you seriously believe that the police are getting caught up wasting time, instead of doing real police work. It's overstated and mostly in your head.
In the past week one of the most senior police officers in the country has said the force are wasting resources investigating hate crimes. Nonetheless, I shall bow to your superior knowledge of the inner workings of the MPS.
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Yea you don't think hate crime is worth investigating. Shocked...
Let's agree to disagree. Shocked...
I never said hate crime isn’t worth investigating.
But yes, let’s agree to disagree.
So what is it then? They're wasting time? Or its not worth it? Or what?
I was making a point that the police do investigate things and push through charges they usually wouldn’t for PR reasons because you stated that they wouldn’t.
You asked for another example of that happening and I gave you one that was very topical (it led the news in the past week).
You then adopted a condescending tone in response to that and seemed to reference previous debating points in the thread (not made by me) about the police wasting time on this as being ‘overstated and in my head’. So then I referenced the senior police officer who said very recently that the police are in fact wasting time on these types of crimes. Her concern was that having to investigate every report of someone feeling offended is taking away resources from what she considers real crimes, such as assault or burglary.
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Listen I think they should do their job. The post you initially responded to was making the point that they aren't wasting time.
Fact is, people report things they feel need reporting. That's always been the case. There being more reports to these types of issues are a product of the times, it doesn't force the police hands into making more out of a case than is warranted. So you're point is basically in reference to the the effort it takes to look at the reports. So I go back to what I was asking you.
Don't just point to the police chief and say "Well he/she thinks it's a waste of time".
Because if I'm being honest, that sounds like it has more to do with resources and funding. As opposed to whether or not there is an epidemic of people making frivolous claims (which is what I'm talking about here).
This is my opinion, but it's based on recognising that lots of things are happening right now. How you choose to see that is on you but the police chief having a different read on it than me doesn't suprise me.
I mean come on it's just not as deep as you guys make out, outrage at Twitter policing seems so Twitter to me. Hire 10 so called SJWs and 10 PC gon mad hatter's, set up a social media department, and delegate.....
Let them flag up anything credible with 'evidence'.
Let them flag up anything credible with 'evidence'.
Deservedly arrested IMO. This for me is a breach of the public peace type of offence - it’s despiecable and it cannot go unpunished because it could easily lead to copycat offences online if it went unpunished. Furthermore it is a black and white case - it’s unforgivable and there’s no grey area where any utterance of theirs could be justified in any way.
I'm one for the odd 'dark' joke but that was hard to watch.
The amount of effort put into that and then to video it and come out with some of the stuff they said. They're clearly cnuts and deserve whatever they get.
The amount of effort put into that and then to video it and come out with some of the stuff they said. They're clearly cnuts and deserve whatever they get.
I think the whole incident is crass in the extreme.
I agree that it is a funding issue rather than hate crimes being unworthy.
I’m not really a supporter of the American idea of freedom of speech and am not against prosecution for things like verbal harassment or hate crimes.
Regardless, the perpatrators will suffer far far more from their shaming than from any punishment the court could give them.
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I don’t really see how the fact it’s a bit difficult to do makes it correct though. The fact they’ve gone to a bit of effort in tracking someone down to get them sacked shouldn’t really make any odds. Even if it isn’t successful in every case, they still try. It seems as if they certainly see themselves as having enough power to do so, even if they can’t always locate the offending party.
Isn't inciting racial hatred a crime...?
You've got to have something in place to stop people from going around encouraging the hate of other people on a ridiculous basis. I'd ask those people talking about policing proper crime how they feel about Muslim preachers & so on. You can't just do nothing, imo. And sometimes you have to be seen to be trying to do something to send a message.
To what extent you do that or whether you do it for quasi-private functions that are 'just' in completely appalling taste, I don't know.
Whether it should be policed on the basis of half-fabricated public / Establishment outrage I don't know either.
Or how nasty this case really is - in terms of being a proper hate crime. I don't know that either.
It should end up in just about the right place if we can reduce the hysteria level a little bit & they don't end up being locked up for it or anything stupid like that. Effigies get burned on bonfires every year, after all.
To what extent you do that or whether you do it for quasi-private functions that are 'just' in completely appalling taste, I don't know.
Whether it should be policed on the basis of half-fabricated public / Establishment outrage I don't know either.
Or how nasty this case really is - in terms of being a proper hate crime. I don't know that either.
It should end up in just about the right place if we can reduce the hysteria level a little bit & they don't end up being locked up for it or anything stupid like that. Effigies get burned on bonfires every year, after all.
Sorry to bump an old thread...
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The trial of those guys who had a 'Grenfell bonfire' is underway now. Mixed thoughts on it really. Obviously massively distasteful, but is it really 'posting footage of a menacing nature'?
Man in court in London over filming of Grenfell Tower effigy on bonfire
He said the incident had been “one of those stupid moments”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/29/grenfell-tower-effigy-video-man-court-london
Man in court in London over filming of Grenfell Tower effigy on bonfire
He said the incident had been “one of those stupid moments”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/29/grenfell-tower-effigy-video-man-court-london
A smouldering edifice to British white supremacy and governmental racism.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...hing-after-two-high-rise-fires-in-middle-east
Bastards. Absolute fecking bastards.
But the media only really gave a shit for the first phase so firefighters get the blame.
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feck shame, they should just hang.
What was their reasoning behind it?
The news has moved on and people aren't angry about poor people dying anymore.
Grenfell: Survivors condemn new fire safety laws https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56924131
Shocking
Shocking
Yep. I think four times the Lords passed the clause protecting tenants and the Government defeated it four times in the Commons.
They held the final vote a day or so before prorogation too so the supporters of the measures basically had a choice of getting some of what they wanted or having the whole Bill fall.
They held the final vote a day or so before prorogation too so the supporters of the measures basically had a choice of getting some of what they wanted or having the whole Bill fall.
Ministers have urged a family facing a devastating bill as part of the building safety crisis to contact the Samaritans if they want help with “feelings of distress or despair”.
In a move that sparked “disbelief” in the leaseholder involved, Jamie Robb, the response from an aide to the housing secretary, Robert Jenrick, to a plea for help with fire remediation works included the phone number for the suicide prevention service. It recommended its “free, anonymous, confidential and non-judgemental support”.
The Robb family wrote to Jenrick in November last year after Jamie Robb, 30, discovered he was facing a bill of up to £40,000 for fire safety repairs on his apartment in a Manchester high-rise.
The response arrived this week as the government pushed through fire safety legislation that leaves thousands of leaseholders facing bills of up to £75,000 each to fix apartment buildings found to be dangerous in the wake of the Grenfell Tower fire.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-safety-bill-told-they-can-contact-samaritans
In a move that sparked “disbelief” in the leaseholder involved, Jamie Robb, the response from an aide to the housing secretary, Robert Jenrick, to a plea for help with fire remediation works included the phone number for the suicide prevention service. It recommended its “free, anonymous, confidential and non-judgemental support”.
The Robb family wrote to Jenrick in November last year after Jamie Robb, 30, discovered he was facing a bill of up to £40,000 for fire safety repairs on his apartment in a Manchester high-rise.
The response arrived this week as the government pushed through fire safety legislation that leaves thousands of leaseholders facing bills of up to £75,000 each to fix apartment buildings found to be dangerous in the wake of the Grenfell Tower fire.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-safety-bill-told-they-can-contact-samaritans
Honestly it’s appalling that this is being allowed to happen. The government should be footing the bill and claiming this back from those responsible.
Starmer and Labour should be highlighting this issue more than they are doing aswell
Starmer and Labour should be highlighting this issue more than they are doing aswell
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/07/fire...with-same-cladding-used-on-grenfell-14537101/
Fire currently being tackled in Canary Wharf - reportedly covered in the same cladding as Grenfell...
Fire currently being tackled in Canary Wharf - reportedly covered in the same cladding as Grenfell...
Beeb article doesn't even mention the cladding
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57022678