Grenfell Tower Fire | 14th June 2017
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Fair enough. As I said previously, I am not for one second condoning the individuals actions and I think it’s totally unacceptable!
I guess I was coming from a technical “no actual crime has been committed” perspective, so is there reasonable grounds to fire someone for something in their private life that is not against the law.
I hate social media but it certainly makes one far more accountable for their actions!
I guess I was coming from a technical “no actual crime has been committed” perspective, so is there reasonable grounds to fire someone for something in their private life that is not against the law.
I hate social media but it certainly makes one far more accountable for their actions!
I’m against firing people for things others disagree with, but what a shower of cnuts.
And what makes it even worse for cretins like this, is that they genuinely don’t think that they’re dicks. They will do something like this, and think that it’s perfectly okay, and when someone speaks out against them or they get fired, they will act like they’re victimized, PC gone mad etc etc
They probably don’t think it’s ok, that’s the point. They’re trying to be edgy. One of them probably sat there and asked “what’s literally the most offensive thing we can take along?”
It’s a bit like when people go to fancy dress parties as Adolf Hitler or a terrorist. They’re not doing it because they’re blissfully unaware of the context, they know only too well and that’s why they chose it in the first place.
Surely that would never stand up at an employment tribunal. How would you get gross misconduct out of that?
These people are sick, but they have broken no laws. Ostracism would, possibly, affect them more, but they are such utter cnuts, it probably wouldn't have any effect on them anyway.
They look and sound like adults too, not a bunch of stupid kids. Baffling they'd decide this was a goer.
These racist idiots with this appalling video should get a visit from a local fire crew who can show them how "fun" full thickness burns are or the effects of inhaling noxious chemicals and products of fire even hours after the fire has gone out.
Then they should get around 400 hours community service...100 hours picking cabbages in Norfolk, 100 hours cleaning the toilets in a city centre train station, 100 hours working as an escort and 100 hours working in an asylum centre or refuge.
We can then see if they still believe immigrants have it easy etc etc
Then they should get around 400 hours community service...100 hours picking cabbages in Norfolk, 100 hours cleaning the toilets in a city centre train station, 100 hours working as an escort and 100 hours working in an asylum centre or refuge.
We can then see if they still believe immigrants have it easy etc etc
Employers normally have something in the contract about representing the company image. I know ours do.
Remember Hargreaves Lansdown sacked a broker the other year for tweeting a bad joke about how he may of knocked a cyclist off his bike? Bringing the company into disrepute is easy to prove I guess?
Who decides what is disrepute though? You’re putting parameters on taste and asking Twitter, in all its wisdom, to be judge, jury and executioner.
If someone tweeted an opinion which didn’t totally follow the PC line and enough people were offended for it to gain a slight bit of momentum, how do they decide what is the correct level of outrage to take action? It all sounds a bit thought police-ish to me.
If someone tweeted an opinion which didn’t totally follow the PC line and enough people were offended for it to gain a slight bit of momentum, how do they decide what is the correct level of outrage to take action? It all sounds a bit thought police-ish to me.
Not to be rude, and I’m being general here - but this argument shows a lack of knowledge of exactly how twitter works, especially when it comes to doxxing.
The idea that twitter is full of people who are anxiously waiting for the next storyline to be outraged at is ‘PC gone mad’ rhetoric and couldn’t be further from the truth.
Doxxing individuals is actually very difficult and the success rate is low, sure you hear about the stories in the media when they happen because they want your clicks, and the clicks of both extremes of the left & right wing to react appropriately.
But if you actually browse through the various attempts that people go through to actually doxx someone, and nothing happens you would see that twitter is far from judge jury and executioner.
Maybe when people figure out the formula of what causes something to go viral vs a few dozen/100s retweet’s, we can explore this further, but we’re no where near that stage yet.
The people I've seen getting sacked for stuff posted on twitter are the types that have posted stuff that are clearly very offensive. It's not a case of them just disagreeing with what they say. Someone saying we need Brexit as there are too many immigrant coming in. some may find it offensive but that's a view one disagrees with. At most it's someone misinformed without meaning to be too malicious.
A lot of companies have a social media policy too. I hope those involved get sacked.
Put it this way, if their identities are confirmed people know their employers it doesn't look good on the company if they do nothing.
A lot of companies have a social media policy too. I hope those involved get sacked.
Put it this way, if their identities are confirmed people know their employers it doesn't look good on the company if they do nothing.
They've been arrested - I would imagine that posting something on social media removes the defence of "it was in my back garden".
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46106224
Shot themselves in the foot then eh? They would have been protected had they not posted it online for all and sundry.
As the Police commissioner said last week, I'd rather the Police spent their time catching thieves rather than wasting their time on people who haven't committed any offence, except to offend people.
Except it would appear that they have committed an offence.
Shouldn’t think they’ll be feeling quite as clever now, or finding it quite as amusing as they did when they posted it
They did find something to charge them with, yes. Can you imagine if they had presented themselves at a Police station and the Police had set them away?
Fecking scum, they deserve all that they get including losing their jobs (that's if they even have a job).
Absolutely. Even if the CPS can crowbar this into a low level public order offence; that would practically speaking carry a small fine... It really isn't worth the resources to prosecute. Truthfully I think the freedom of speech laws in this country are constantly being eroded by the cynical use of legislation in this way. Not only should offending people not be a criminal offence, but it should be absolutely and vehemently protected. Are we going to arrest the thousands of people who five years ago were on the streets signing "Ding-dong, the witch is dead!" when Thatcher died? I'm sure her family and friends were equally distressed seeing those videos on TV whilst her body was barely cold.
The offence in itself was meant to protect against actions that intentionally cause others immediate distress/alarm. This kind of second hand fury in response to a video posted on social media absolutely should be nowhere near the threshold. If they fought it I'm confident that intent could not be found. However it's likely that accept the slap on the wrist rather than going through the grief of court.
I'm all for them losing their jobs, however. Employer's should have absolute autonomy in firing someone for bringing the company into disrepute in this manner.
I'm not comfortable with the idea of it being a criminal offence to be a cnut.
Don't get me wrong I have zero sympathy with these particular cnuts, but where do you draw the line? People take offense to all manner of things, who decides what is criminal?
Don't get me wrong I have zero sympathy with these particular cnuts, but where do you draw the line? People take offense to all manner of things, who decides what is criminal?
Me
In what world did they think it was going to be a good idea to build a cardboard tower with Grenfell written on it and models of people at the windows then set fire to it? All to chase a couple of cheap green smilies online
Can't disagree with any of that.
ok that works.Posting it online moves it from private to public domain.
If they've done that themselves it moves rapidly towards inciting racist hatred & contravening decency innit?
It's possible it's dreadful humour gone wrong though, yes.
Effigies at bonfire time - I mean, it's not a huge leap from idea to implementation is it?
If they've done that themselves it moves rapidly towards inciting racist hatred & contravening decency innit?
It's possible it's dreadful humour gone wrong though, yes.
Effigies at bonfire time - I mean, it's not a huge leap from idea to implementation is it?
cnuts with a capital C.
But what happens if they didn't post it online, or is it considered public domain even if you have shared it with friends on whatsapp?
I hope they get some punishment, just I don't know what they can actually be charged with?
I think that's a pretty good question. Could imagine both sides legal teams having some fun with that.
I expect they will be punished via a Guilty plea & loads of remorse, so that won't happen.
There;s just about enough to say relatively leniently & let the public / Establishment outrage show how wrong it is (which I suppose it is)
All a bit overplayed though innit? Albeit for the right reasons.
Establishment overacting their disgust is a bit rich considering the circumstances surrounding what happened.
Putting it lightly!
As much as this whole effigy burning is disgusting, does it really need to shared and plastered all over the media? In the world of the offended, it seems like everyone has to make a stand and point out how disgusting they think it is... This should have just been ignored, put down to a bunch of idiots being c*nts.
Every celebrity with a twitter account has now seen this video, posted their reaction to millions of followers who have in turn then watched the video.
Simply waving it off and allowing twats like that to do what they like simply emboldens others to raise the bar. But then I think there should be far more policing on social media, people should be allowed to post what they like but should accept that it could carry consequences.
I'm actually glad the media are actually making a stance against scum like that.
Criminal is perhaps a strong word, but it's clearly very offensive and heartless. People like that don't belong in society IMO. Laughing at innocent people being burnt alive just because of their skin colour / origin doesn't belong in this world.
Yes I agree with you as well, its a contradiction because if it wasn't shared all over social media, these feckers would have got away with it.
It will be interesting to see from a legal point of view what happens to these lot. And who shared it on twitter etc.
I haven’t seen all of the footage but there is a risk of individuals attending the bonfire being guilty by association here!!
If attaching blame on someone it should be solely directed at the individual that made the effigy!! If others attended a party and effectively laughed at a joke (as distasteful as it is) should not have their lives ruined and faces plastered all over the tabloids.
Inevitably this could well result in “mob justice” and despite being entirely insensitive to the families of those that died, those in attendance have not physically hurt anyone here.
Many have laughed at jokes made by the likes of Frankie Boyle / Jimmy Carr etc. And whilst knowing that the content matter is grossly insensitive to someone, it doesn’t mean that those on the periphery share the view or are equally culpable for causing said offence.
If attaching blame on someone it should be solely directed at the individual that made the effigy!! If others attended a party and effectively laughed at a joke (as distasteful as it is) should not have their lives ruined and faces plastered all over the tabloids.
Inevitably this could well result in “mob justice” and despite being entirely insensitive to the families of those that died, those in attendance have not physically hurt anyone here.
Many have laughed at jokes made by the likes of Frankie Boyle / Jimmy Carr etc. And whilst knowing that the content matter is grossly insensitive to someone, it doesn’t mean that those on the periphery share the view or are equally culpable for causing said offence.
Agreed.
People will jump on a social media bandwagon and state just how disgusting it is, and petition for these guys to face charges etc.
People want to be seen as social justice warriors but just how many of these people have focused their anger on those responsible for the tragedy itself or donated to associated charities etc? Far fewer I’d wager.
Or, the Police could spend their time catching proper criminals.