This pretty much sums it up for me.
You wish they'd spend it on free (or cheap) and proper education insteadSpending money on schools? feck that.
Chase Mitchell @ChaseMit
Just want to point out the NRA's plan to stop school shootings is literally the plot of Kindergarten Cop.
I genuinely wonder if anyone thought for a single second "Why is it that this school-protection that we're proposing is needed?" when writing that speech. The answer is probably "no-one" though.
all teachers should be armed....The obvious flaw in the NRA's plan is - what happens if the armed guard gets shot dead by the shooter?
The even more obvious one is what happens when the armed guard IS the next shooter.The obvious flaw in the NRA's plan is - what happens if the armed guard gets shot dead by the shooter?
America calls itself 'the greatest society on earth'.all teachers should be armed....
I was sarcastic...but you do have idiots on teh right who have said such things.America calls itself 'the greatest society on earth'.
Who the feck wants wants their children to be educated in such a climate of fear where teachers are required to carry guns so they can kill maniac gunmen should they come calling.
This is civilisation?
Which is exactly what would happen if every school had an armed security guard. Also; need a gun to carry out the shooting? Knife the security guard and take his. Oh wait, NRA's plan is flawless - or should I say; bulletproof.The obvious flaw in the NRA's plan is - what happens if the armed guard gets shot dead by the shooter?
USA is becoming a laughing-stock across the entire globe because of their attitude towards guns. The fact that the NRA prides themselves on their "children-education-programmes" (mentioned quite a few times in the videos posted above) says it all really.Helen O'Hara @HelenLOHara
British news is covering the NRA response to Newtown and has had to clarify twice that what they're showing is not a spoof.
Canadian, thanks.Then what are ya?
Australia, Japan and England are surrounded by water and harder to smuggle guns, but then we can't compare any of the countries above when rape and assaults are even higher than in US (with the exception of Japan and Australia). The Japanese shouldn't be used as an example anyway. But going back to the school issue I believe they should have an armed police officer in every school. they just need to stop sending money to countries like Egypt and get out from Iraq and Afghanistan, close any base from foreign countries and they will have loads of money to pay for the police officers.I may be wrong however has there been another mass shooting in the UK since Dunblane and tighter gun control laws? Or someone else pointed out, there has not been a mass shooting in Australia since they instituted tighter gun control as well. And what about Japan? No one will ever be completely safe from guns but we can sure as hell lower the chances of this ever happening again.
I know that you were being sarc. I was just making a general point.I was sarcastic...but you do have idiots on teh right who have said such things.
If the guard is inside the office he will know a guy is coming with a gun and the fact a mass murder wannabe knows that school as a police office I bet you he will look for another school.I don't understand the "a guard/teacher with a gun would've stopped him!" argument. I've tried really hard, but I simply don't get it. Having a guard will do feck all, except that he'll be the guy getting killed first (or he'll end up killing someone who gets caught in the crossfire). How could a guard possibly stand a realistic chance against a random person with a gun who has the element of surprise on his side? Furthermore, how would the guard stay awake? Thankfully there's still a lot of schools that hasn't experienced a single school-shooting in their history - should they've had a guard for their entire lifetime just sitting around doing feck all? It's the stupidest argument I've ever heard, and I've had several girlfriends.
Not picking on your post in particular, Wowi, but the armed guard-police officer component is only one aspect of the NRAs proposal and they seemed to indicate that aspect would be voluntarily decided by the school districts involved.Which is exactly what would happen if every school had an armed security guard. Also; need a gun to carry out the shooting? Knife the security guard and take his. Oh wait, NRA's plan is flawless - or should I say; bulletproof.
or he will simply be the first victimIf the guard is inside the office he will know a guy is coming with a gun and the fact a mass murder wannabe knows that school as a police office I bet you he will look for another school.
The rest of the world watches those films too. And they play the same video games too.Where the NRA failed with its speech is deflecting the blame to cultural aspects like games and films (although Hollywood plays a large role in the glorification of firearms, something they won't admit).
Why do would you need all that security at a school in Canada?The security planning element is one that stands out but is unsurprisingly being ignored in the press. Some fair points were made. How many schools have doors that anyone can waltz into? People send their kids to school everyday in buildings that have less security than your average workplace (mine is keycard access only and visitors must sign in). Personal information is under better protection than children at school.
Sorry, did I say something different?The rest of the world watches those films too. And they play the same video games too.
Blaming this stuff was an argument that was settled in the early 90s when parents of suicidal teens tried to blame heavy metal music for their deaths. It was a pretty landmark court decision. They should know better.Deflecting blame to Video games and holloywood is lame.
Rathional people know its not real. I personally enjoy the high body count action movies. yet I would not want to own a real gun. Would like to own a fake western revolver..but my wife said no.
Most of these perople had mental issues and should never have had access to a gun. An armed guard at a school is totally missing the point.
The New York law proposed by the Cuomo sounds reasonable.
Total and complete ban on all semi automatic and assualt rifles. Magazine clips of no more than 7.
There are schools in Toronto that have armed police officers there every day.Why do would you need all that security at a school in Canada?
Personally we thought that it was a sad day when they put bigger fences around our local secondary school due to kids vandalising the place.
That'd only really work if the guard was sitting in a room that's completely locked up and no-one is let in. You honestly believe it would be hard to get close to a guard? Guards would go decades without ever experiencing a shooting on their school - do you think they'd be on high alert at all times?If the guard is inside the office he will know a guy is coming with a gun and the fact a mass murder wannabe knows that school as a police office I bet you he will look for another school.
Yeah, I know the guard was just a part of their proposed solution, but as they kept repeating it it seemed to be a pretty major part of it in their eyes. As you say, they did indeed say it would be something schools could sign up for if interested and it shouldn't be forced. But once again, it's their proposed solution and it's pretty clear to me what they believe would work. Quite honestly, I stopped listening when they started throwing around all the usual buzzwords but from what I gathered, they want every kindergarten to have pentagon-like security.Not picking on your post in particular, Wowi, but the armed guard-police officer component is only one aspect of the NRAs proposal and they seemed to indicate that aspect would be voluntarily decided by the school districts involved.
The security planning element is one that stands out but is unsurprisingly being ignored in the press. Some fair points were made. How many schools have doors that anyone can waltz into? People send their kids to school everyday in buildings that have less security than your average workplace (mine is keycard access only and visitors must sign in). Personal information is under better protection than children at school.
What kind of locks? I still reckon there's room for improvement; mag locks, key cards, ID badges, front door attendants who buzz visitors in as well as signing them in with temporary ID badges.The elementary schools I've seen in the US have decent security atm. No armed guards but most other doors, besides the front door are locked.
The bigger question is cinemas, malls, offices, etc..
Would the NRA have armed volunteers there too?
What about churches?
No, sorry. I read it as it was you who claimed that games and films glorify guns!Sorry, did I say something different?
Oh you couldn't trust kids with that. Staff only. People can be there to let kids in when they show up for class.Do anyone want their kids to grow up in a place where they'd be required to carry keycards to school?
The kind of door that has a push bar on the inside so you can get out easily but you can't open it from the outside.What kind of locks? I still reckon there's room for improvement; mag locks, key cards, ID badges, front door attendants who buzz visitors in as well as signing them in with temporary ID badges.
Like I said most offices have security systems that are far better than any school I've ever seen. As for the other places, attendance there is voluntary so I'd say the situation is a bit different, although their answer to your question would undoubtedly be yes.
There were 2 armed guards at Columbine.If the guard is inside the office he will know a guy is coming with a gun and the fact a mass murder wannabe knows that school as a police office I bet you he will look for another school.