What about Michu? He scored 15 goals in La Liga for Rayo Vallecano and then 18 in the premier league for Swansea before stopping. It will be interesting to see if he can find that form in Seria A.Is two seasons really that much more proof than one? One good year at Atletico and one at Chelsea (one in which he didn't look amazing and got injured too).
I do believe Kane was a one season thing though. I've got a bet with a mate that he won't get 20 goals overall this year (similarly a second bet that Benteke won't score 15 league goals) and I'm pretty damn confident in that.
People are getting on Costas' back to be fair and rightly so. He's been wank for a long time now.First of all, the season people aren't getting on Costa's back (yet) is because he is a proven player at the top level over more then one season. The evidence would suggest that he will find his scoring boots sooner rather then later. Same goes when the likes of Aguero or Benzema go through a goal drought. They all have a pedigree that allows people to think its just poor form.
Kane doesn't have that pedigree. He has had one good season, and the jury is out as to whether that's his true level, or just a one season wonder. No one hates him, or is itching to jump on his back. Thats just silly talk.
Michu was awful for Napoli in Serie A.What about Michu? He scored 15 goals in La Liga for Rayo Vallecano and then 18 in the premier league for Swansea before stopping. It will be interesting to see if he can find that form in Seria A.
And also how can a player score 15 goals in La Liga from attacking midfield for the team that finishes 15th and only be transferred for £2m, premier league talent really is overpriced.
Definitely, but on the flip-side I think people were awfully foolish to expect the same sort of season as he had last year. I always advocated waiting a year to see how he does in his second full season -- spending 50m or whatever would have been crazy, but he has undoubted class. He'll start scoring soon enough. International break will do him good imo.People awfully foolish writing him off after 3 games in a spurs side that just hasn't created enough chances, similar to ourselves and rooney.
Oh yeah I forgot he was there last season, for some reason that's where I thought he was now. Still, he only played 5 games, what happened to him?Michu was awful for Napoli in Serie A.
Maybe he's just not that good.He's probably just pressing too hard, like his big chance today he dallied on the ball and thought instead of acting instinctively. Maybe a little doubt has crept in but he'll be banging them in soon enough once he clears his head.
It's four games into the league season. Teams are paying more attention to him off the back of last year, and Tottenham still look pretty disjointed. Sometimes it takes a while to adapt and get into a goal-scoring groove, especially for a #9 type who is somewhat reliant on service. Now if the lean spell continues into October and November then there's something to worry about. But a couple of weeks is hardly an adequate sample size for a young striker who will have some growing pains along the way. His overall play, commitment and mobility has been quite good in general, so the Rooney comparison (specifically in the league mind) doesn't necessarily compute to be honest.The excuses made for him sound like the ones made for Rooney. Maybe he's just not that good, eh?
Do you think I'm basing my entire opinion on four games? Are we forgetting the end of last season and the U21 Euro's?It's four games into the league season. Teams are paying more attention to him off the back of last year, and Tottenham still look pretty disjointed. Sometimes it takes a while to adapt and get into a goal-scoring groove, especially for a #9 type who is somewhat reliant on service. Now if the lean spell continues into October and November then there's something to worry about. But a couple of weeks is hardly an adequate sample size for a young striker who will have some growing pains along the way. His overall play, commitment and mobility has been quite good in general, so the Rooney comparison (specifically in the league mind) doesn't necessarily compute to be honest.
And Wednesday proved that Wayne is a great finisher when giving the opportunity, no?Do you think I'm basing my entire opinion on four games? Are we forgetting the end of last season and the U21 Euro's?
He's got 1 in his last 9 PL appearances. All I'm hearing is he's lacking service, he makes good runs, his overall play is still good which all sounds like excuses made for Rooney before he started banging them in on Wednesday.
Might be wrong, he might be a star and it may be for the reasons you stated, or it might be as I said, that he just had a really long purple patch last season. Jury's still out on Harry Kane.
The difference is that Rooney is struggling for United & Someone like Costa is struggling for Chelsea. Meanwhile we are talking about a player who plays for a team full of consistent strugglers. That's the difference.Do you think I'm basing my entire opinion on four games? Are we forgetting the end of last season and the U21 Euro's?
He's got 1 in his last 9 PL appearances. All I'm hearing is he's lacking service, he makes good runs, his overall play is still good which all sounds like excuses made for Rooney before he started banging them in on Wednesday.
Might be wrong, he might be a star and it may be for the reasons you stated, or it might be as I said, that he just had a really long purple patch last season. Jury's still out on Harry Kane.
I thinkbthe only reason some of our fans want to wait and judge a season is becayse they know that tottenham are not an easy club to negotiate with.Think Rooney, Costa et al have enough goals behind them for many a season to see that it's a blip, Kane has a season so it's natural to question whether that's all it was? I like him a lot but he's a 25 - 30m player at best.
He finished the offside one well thoughI'm a big Kane fan but lack of service is not a very good excuse when it's on the back of him missing two very good chances in the same game.
The jury's definitely out, no doubt about it, none of us can predict how he'll down out a couple of years from now, try as we may. But at the same time we must also realize that it's a bit unfair to overly criticize him just yet. He's still only 22 and coming off the back of his first full season in the Premier League. Part of the fault lies with the insane hype machine that skewed people's expectations, something that a lot of young English footballers have to deal with instead of taking their time to develop slowly. We can't realistically expect him to perform on that level every single game.Do you think I'm basing my entire opinion on four games? Are we forgetting the end of last season and the U21 Euro's?
He's got 1 in his last 9 PL appearances. All I'm hearing is he's lacking service, he makes good runs, his overall play is still good which all sounds like excuses made for Rooney before he started banging them in on Wednesday.
Might be wrong, he might be a star and it may be for the reasons you stated, or it might be as I said, that he just had a really long purple patch last season. Jury's still out on Harry Kane.
Rooney has 3 goals in 5 games, if he continues at this rate that's 23 goals in 38 games and he'll probably play more than 38 games overall so he should be looking at 25+ goals.The excuses made for him sound like the ones made for Rooney. Maybe he's just not that good, eh?
Very true. In the same game Hernandez missed a pen and balloned a chance easier than any of Rooneys. So its not like everyone was scoring for fun against Brugge...Rooney has 3 goals in 5 games, if he continues at this rate that's 23 goals in 38 games and he'll probably play more than 38 games overall so he should be looking at 25+ goals.
And please don't say he's lucky to have that return because of Brugge, our first goal he probably would have scored but Kyle Walker scored it for him and I'm quite sure he scored a goal that shouldn't have been ruled offside so as usual with anybody some go for you (e.g. weak opposition) and some go against you (e.g. goals incorrectly disallowed), as of now there is no real concern with Rooney, we should give him another 5 matches and judge his return from there, Kane too (wait for 10 matches played).
Rooney is a very good player, but stats like that are silly. Wellbeck scored a hattrick vs Gala last season. Rooney has 3 goals in one game and 0 in 4. The 3 goals in that sample set is actually the outlier.Rooney has 3 goals in 5 games, if he continues at this rate that's 23 goals in 38 games and he'll probably play more than 38 games overall so he should be looking at 25+ goals.
And please don't say he's lucky to have that return because of Brugge, our first goal he probably would have scored but Kyle Walker scored it for him and I'm quite sure he scored a goal that shouldn't have been ruled offside so as usual with anybody some go for you (e.g. weak opposition) and some go against you (e.g. goals incorrectly disallowed), as of now there is no real concern with Rooney, we should give him another 5 matches and judge his return from there, Kane too (wait for 10 matches played).
Yeah against a Championship level clubRooney has 3 goals in 5 games, if he continues at this rate that's 23 goals in 38 games and he'll probably play more than 38 games overall so he should be looking at 25+ goals.
Such a shame that we wont play a club like brugge every five games.Rooney has 3 goals in 5 games, if he continues at this rate that's 23 goals in 38 games and he'll probably play more than 38 games overall so he should be looking at 25+ goals.
And please don't say he's lucky to have that return because of Brugge, our first goal he probably would have scored but Kyle Walker scored it for him and I'm quite sure he scored a goal that shouldn't have been ruled offside so as usual with anybody some go for you (e.g. weak opposition) and some go against you (e.g. goals incorrectly disallowed), as of now there is no real concern with Rooney, we should give him another 5 matches and judge his return from there, Kane too (wait for 10 matches played).
He wasn't rated by Rafa and was dropped pretty quick. His career has taken a pretty horrendous trajectory since being linked with the likes of Arsenal after his first season at Swansea. There's talk now of his contract being cancelled.Oh yeah I forgot he was there last season, for some reason that's where I thought he was now. Still, he only played 5 games, what happened to him?
Over the past 5 seasons he has scored 86 in 162 which works out to 2.65 goals every 5 games and for most of those matches he hasn't even been the striker! So I really don't think the stat of 3 in 5 is meaningless, it's not unreasonable to predict that scoring rate this season, he has been just below that for the past 5 seasons and played many matches not as a striker.Rooney is a very good player, but stats like that are silly. Wellbeck scored a hattrick vs Gala last season. Rooney has 3 goals in one game and 0 in 4. The 3 goals in that sample set is actually the outlier.
Anyway I think Rooney will get 20 goals this season, but just wanted to highlight that his current scoring rate in 5 games as a stat is useless
Over the past 5 seasons in the premier league alone he has averaged 2.65 goals every 5 matches and how many games has he been a striker?Yeah against a Championship level club
or not the second coming of alan shearer as he was being portrayed.. shocker indeed.Young player is inconsistent shocker...
In Moyes' season in the premier league alone he averaged 2.93 goals per 5 matches and Moyes used him in deeper positions a lot too!Such a shame that we wont play a club like brugge every five games.
I'm discussing that post and not Rooney record in the past half a decadeOver the past 5 seasons in the premier league alone he has averaged 2.65 goals every 5 matches and how many games has he been a striker?
Would we want him if he carries on being mediocre?A mediocre start to the season for Kane, and for Spurs, and maybe path opens for United to buy him in January...
So discuss that post, this is the part you quoted:I'm discussing that post and not Rooney record in the past half a decade
What's wrong with the prediction Rooney can continue at the rate of 3 goals every 5 games? It's what Louis van Gaal expects Rooney to get this season. His return in all competitions has been slightly below that in the past 5 seasons where he has probably played more not as a striker than as a striker so it's not unrealistic to expect him to get an average of about 3 in 5.Rooney has 3 goals in 5 games, if he continues at this rate that's 23 goals in 38 games and he'll probably play more than 38 games overall so he should be looking at 25+ goals.
Isn't that dependant on tottenham too? He isnt a player like bale or ronaldo who can do things without the help or assistance of his team-mates and he IS an old fashioned number 9 with a bit morr ability with the ball at feet.Would we want him if he carries on being mediocre?
I don't think we should be going near him until he proves last season wasn't a one off.
