Pretty embarrassing that the person who made this included a beef hamburger in their “can’t even get a burger these days” photograph.
“Humane slaughter” is a complete oxymoron. If these people cared about the rights of animals they wouldn’t eat them. It’s just a very thinly veiled vehicle for their Islamophobia.Without googling, I thought it was the other way round? I.e the animals get no anaesthesia, which is why I thought many were against it.
Have you first hand slaughtered animals with both a bolt gun or a knife to cut the throat? I have, and anyone that have will tell you what is the most humane.“Humane slaughter” is a complete oxymoron. If these people cared about the rights of animals they wouldn’t eat them. It’s just a very thinly veiled vehicle for their Islamophobia.
“The machine”? Got your tin hat, mate?I swear the Caf must have some fecking incubator somewhere, producing people like you to feed the machine.
The spiritiuality is strong in this one.Degrees of humaneness in an inherently inhumane act are irrelevant. If you really care about the welfare of animals, you don’t kill or eat them.
It would also be great if the animals which were slaughtered led a humane life before the few seconds of their death that these people are so concerned about but the sad reality is that most of them, especially if we're talking about commercial farming where we get most of our food from, lead pretty terrible lives.The spiritiuality is strong in this one.
So, just for a second let us imagine that most people actually eat meat. Wouldn't it be great if the animals killed were done so in the most humanely way possible? Hopefully when you grow up you will realise that you can't actually force people to become vegan, but you will perhaps grasp that laws can be put in place to ensure that the slaughter is as humanely and pain free as possible.
And yeah, with the machine I totally meant some grand conspiracy.
I’m not a vegan and animal welfare is low on my list of concerns.The spiritiuality is strong in this one.
So, just for a second let us imagine that most people actually eat meat. Wouldn't it be great if the animals killed were done so in the most humanely way possible? Hopefully when you grow up you will realise that you can't actually force people to become vegan, but you will perhaps grasp that laws can be put in place to ensure that the slaughter is as humanely and pain free as possible.
And yeah, with the machine I totally meant some grand conspiracy.
Seeing as how I've grown up on a farm and on several occasions have had to kill sheep by cutting their throat (we don't walk around with guns here) due to them breaking their legs or otherwise being injured beyond the point of saving while collecting them from the mountain, I do have some experience. And I can tell you right now, the throat slice is not as quick as you might think, and is done out of necessity. It isn't anything that should be done in a slaughterhouse where other methods are available. Even less so if not stunned.Yet the people who seem most offended by halal slaughter are not usually people who care generally about animal welfare and they're not exactly vegetarians/ making sure they're using products not tested on animals. They also generally seem to fit nicely with people who find problems with Islam/ Muslims generally. Funny coincidence.
I'd respect someone who was a vegan and criticised halal slaughter much more than I would with someone who criticises halal slaughter while chewing on their Danish bacon, caged hen eggs for breakfast and then a nice big steak for dinner. The hypocrisy is just a little too much to bear.
What does your upbringing have to do with anything? I specifically mentioned the horrors of commercial farming in my post, rather than smaller, individual farms. I also didn't make any statement on how quick or slow the throat slice is.Seeing as how I've grown up on a farm and on several occasions have had to kill sheep by cutting their throat (we don't walk around with guns here) due to them breaking their legs or otherwise being injured beyond the point of saving while collecting them from the mountain, I do have some experience. And I can tell you right now, the throat slice is not as quick as you might think, and is done out of necessity. It isn't anything that should be done in a slaughterhouse where other methods are available. Even less so if not stunned.
This is real life stuff though, don't let it get in the way of your e-outrage.
I really don't know. You should ask someone who is Danish.I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of those who hate halal slaughter while digging into Danish bacon for example, where, if I'm right (please correct me if you have alternative information), tens of thousands of piglets die daily in farms before they even reach the slaughterhouse? Are they really that interested in animal welfare>
But it isn't just the Danish who eat Danish bacon, it is eaten all around the world and rightly famed for its taste, yet the conditions of the sows and piglets are terrible. Even assuming that their slaughter is completely 'humane', I'm not sure this makes up for the lives they lead. If we use a human life as an example, I'm not sure just how much I'd care about whether my death took 3 seconds or 15 if somebody had spent the 20 years of my life keeping me confined in a pen, cutting bits off my body, fattening me up and taking away my offspring, many of whom will die.I really don't know. You should ask someone who is Danish.
My upbringing is relevant because I've seen and experienced the difference between a throat slice and the more humane ways. The fact that animals are slaughtered in a less humane way because of a fairytale naturally piss me off, and you don't have to be vegan to speak out about it.
And yes, industrialised meat production is a grim sight. I remember when we had this expose documentary on Norwegian tv about how our biggest chicken producer handled their chickens, people rightfully got outraged and made a big fuss, but guess what? The next day most of them went to the store and bought the 5$ chicken instead of the farm raised 15$ chicken, essentially using their purchasing power to make the decision for the poultry producers.
I think we stopped importing pigs from Denmark due to some disease they had a while back. But yeah, their industrial scale pig farming is infamous.But it isn't just the Danish who eat Danish bacon, it is eaten all around the world and rightly famed for its taste, yet the conditions of the sows and piglets are terrible. Even assuming that their slaughter is completely 'humane', I'm not sure this makes up for the lives they lead. If we use a human life as an example, I'm not sure just how much I'd care about whether my death took 3 seconds or 15 if somebody had spent the 20 years of my life keeping me confined in a pen, cutting bits off my body, fattening me up and taking away my offspring, many of whom will die.
Again, I didn't say you had to be a vegan to speak out about it and I specifically emphasised the corporate farming, rather than individual smaller farms.
Well, then we're in full agreement. That is ultimately my point. Most people will end up buying the meat of animals raised in terrible conditions for months/ years yet will kick up a fuss and get outraged over the last few seconds of their lives. Not saying there isn't a problem there but seems rather like selective outrage if you ask me and not in keeping with their own consumer purchases.
Surely you'd then extend that to people who eat food or engage in any activity that caused an animal to suffer or dieDegrees of humaneness in an inherently inhumane act are irrelevant. If you really care about the welfare of animals, you don’t kill or eat them.
Degrees of humaneness in an inherently inhumane act are irrelevant. If you really care about the welfare of animals, you don’t kill or eat them.
If anybody thinks the Tommy Robinson lot are big into animal rights, they’re even dumber than I thought.
“The machine”? Got your tin hat, mate?
I agree with you in that the anti-halal crowd are more often than not anti-Muslim bigots, but bolded is ridiculous. Surely eating an animal that's been killed by slicing its throat halal- or kosher-style is a million times more humane than eating an animal that's been killed by stabbing it two hundred times.
As always: it's not that black and white.
Pretty much the dumbest comparison I’ve ever seen.Surely you'd then extend that to people who eat food or engage in any activity that caused an animal to suffer or die
See that toast you have for breakfast, how many animals do you think the combine harvester, used to cut the wheat to make the bread, killed?
Dumb, oh shit well I dont want to look dumb on the internet!Pretty much the dumbest comparison I’ve ever seen.
It’s the same idiotic logic that gun nuts use when they compare deaths caused by guns and cars despite the fact that only one exists for the sole purpose of killing.
I've heard humans are pretty damn tastyIf humans were not meant to eat animals they would not have been made to be so damn tasty.
Apptly named comedy club.
Stunning the animal is permissible, and is also how it's done in most western countries, usually through electronarcosis (bolt guns is frowned upon, as they may cause instant death, but they are used on cattle here in Norway).The fact that animals are slaughtered in a less humane way because of a fairytale naturally piss me off, and you don't have to be vegan to speak out about it.
Well, true. But it's a disgusting poem he liked and promoted. It's truly a sinister piece of work - i would not call that literature.Man warned by Humberside police for liking anti-trans tweet.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/24/man-investigated-police-retweeting-transgender-limerick/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-47005937
Humberside Police questioned a man for more than half an hour after he liked a Twitter post which was appearing to mock the transgender community.
Harry Miller said the formal investigation ...
Mr Miller said he does not live or work in the Humberside area and told how the conversation turned "incredibly sinister" as the officer
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Sorry, I'm too boomer to work out how to embed the original tweet.
HR Diversity department trying to justify a salary or the thought police on their way?
That man has an unhealthy obsession with trans people. Their existence really seems to bother him, going by his tweet history.Man warned by Humberside police for liking anti-trans tweet.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/24/man-investigated-police-retweeting-transgender-limerick/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-47005937
Sorry, I'm too boomer to work out how to embed the original tweet.
HR Diversity department trying to justify a salary or the thought police on their way?
I am not saying that should not.And if anyone should re-educate, it's the police.
This is the bit that makes it fine if you ask me. Be a bigot cnut all you want, just dont wear a badge then.It was a bit ridiculous until I read that he worked for the force. A member of the police probably shouldn’t be seen to be liking that sort of thing. Maybe it would’ve been better coming from his own colleagues though rather than the police in general.
Because most other people’s free speech goes unchallenged. It’s contentious opinions that draw the most flak, and in this day and age there’s none more contentious.Why is it that the people who bang on about free speech the most nowadays are usually the ones who want to be sexist/racist/transphobic/homophobic without consequence?