Sorry but it's true. Pogba deserves a better team.
He deserves better than United
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Pogba deserves to play in a team where he's exposed as a fraud, like Dembele and Coutinho.
Okay.
Its easier for a keeper to look good in a shite team.
I remember this one time pogba played for france and was one of their best players as they won the world cup. What a fraud.
That time? Less than a year ago.
That's not true. A leader should be driving players on and inspiring them to get everything out of the talent they've got. Its not hard work to work hard. Its the minimal requirement.
Nah he doesn't. He has the perfect mentality for a club at our current level. Match made in heaven.
Oh yeah. The 4 good games in 7.
Definitely extrapolates to sustained greatness for a big club in the spotlight.
He will get exposed where he goes, it's inevitable.
I remember Keiron Trippier was pretty good in that world cup as well. See if Pogba can do it for 38 games in a side like Barca or Real Madrid, where they will boo you if you arent dedicated to the cause.
I don't think he will. And this has been his best season numbers wise in his career. He is not the problem.
Of course its true. And what has leadership got to do with anything in this discussion. Neither player is a leader, not even close.
What you and many people aren't seeing is that he already got exposed when he moved here from juve, and actually had to learn responsibilities. Playing for current United is like hard mode. Going anywhere else, especially madrid or barca, will be like cakewalk to him after this spell.
His numbers have come from being the penalty specialist and 3 months of good form against broadly a shite run of teams.
3 months in a season gets you found out at a big club. He's been found out here (ultimately massively protected by sections of the fan base) and he will be found out at Real to an even worse level. Their fans aren't as close to being as patient as ours.
I agree he's not "the" problem and I would opt to keep him provided we have the budget to spend on bosltering everyone in the squad. However I certainly don't think he's close to the level you claim and should be seen as expendable as a result.
What? No it isn't. He will be scrutinized FAR more at Madrid. There will be a chorus of boo's when he hits his inevitable run of games off form and it will be harder to come back from it.
He won't suit Barcelona's system at all so it's no surprise they aren't in for him.
We, as a club are a laughing stock for years now but not because someone says "he should go to better team" but because we are shit. Just plain an simple. And yes, I think the likes of De Gea deserves to play in the better team as he will finish his career at United winning nothing otherwise and he is too good for that (unless he already gave up, which is possible if we look at his recent form).
I'm sick of that as well. Self deprecating humour is sometimes funny in stand up, but to just be self deprecating is a very annoying trait in people who only manages to express complex emotions in that way, searching for sympathy.
That is all it is. We all know Pogba isn't the answer. For the minority maybe he is the scapegoat, and he shouldn't be that, so for everyone who rate him they can't admit that he is not the answer. So it becomes this weird ass hypothetical scenario where everything is turned upside down to defend him, mostly out of spite. Which feels very annoying as it only serves to protect the worst sides of Pogba, not his talent.
That is all it is. We all know Pogba isn't the answer. For the minority maybe he is the scapegoat, and he shouldn't be that, so for everyone who rate him they can't admit that he is not the answer. So it becomes this weird ass hypothetical scenario where everything is turned upside down to defend him, mostly out of spite. Which feels very annoying as it only serves to protect the worst sides of Pogba, not his talent.
He managed it at juve. Anyone who thinks pogba is the problem needs their heads looked at. His attitude is definitely not the best, but his ability is so far beyond the rest of pur team. Its not his fault all our forwards are out of form. He will have bad games, the big problem we have is that we seemingly have absolutely no one capable of stepping up when he has a poor game.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
I kinda got it with DDG. He's had shite in front of him but still performed incredibly and very consistently up until recently.
Pogba though? Nah. He's barely done anything truly impressive and it's blamed on others around him.
Pogba though? Nah. He's barely done anything truly impressive and it's blamed on others around him.
They deserve nothing. Only the fans of this club deserve better.
It's the people who say they hope players leave to show how good they are at a better club that really get me.
Thinking Pogba is our best player is one thing, thinking he's underappreciated or could do better than play for us is another, but actively hoping they leave the club you supposedly support is utterly baffling to me.
Thinking Pogba is our best player is one thing, thinking he's underappreciated or could do better than play for us is another, but actively hoping they leave the club you supposedly support is utterly baffling to me.
He will be always scrutinized not only because he is a big name in the football world but also because he has that je ne sais quoi that make him stand out even if he has a bad day.
So joining Real Madrid with world class players and stars around him could help him to be less scrutinized somehow
Ambitious. At Real you perform or you get booed off the pitch. It happened with the best of the best and even the kids. It will be interesting to see how he develops there, but by no means will the pressure be easier.He will be always scrutinized not only because he is a big name in the football world but also because he has that je ne sais quoi that make him stand out even if he has a bad day.
So joining Real Madrid with world class players and stars around him could help him to be less scrutinized somehow
We are not holding them hostage. Only De Gea deserves sympathy and even he has been using that up recently.
Looking at the question from another angle, if you were an in-demand player, I can’t think of any reason why you would choose United at the moment apart from money.
Looking at the question from another angle, if you were an in-demand player, I can’t think of any reason why you would choose United at the moment apart from money.
If you're a talented and skillful employee at a huge company on the decline, a company not giving you the proper platform, environment and supporting staff to grow and be your absolute best in the industry you could say you deserve better. Pogba and De Gea deserve better than the Manchester United of today
But it's true.
I know some fans here like to live with their head in the sand like we still rule the roost of the game of Football like the grand old era of the 90's and any talk of us being anything other than gods gift to football and the best team around is treason but it's the truth
It's the cold hard truth, De Gea has carried us for many a seasons, when the reality is a keeper of his quality shouldn't of been slumming it with our lot, he should of been challenging for the top honors the game has to offer.
Pogba may be a narcissistic prat who only likes to turn it on when he wants, but he's an outstanding player, he can do better than us.
It's a sad state of affairs but the majority of players would just be jumping off into the deep end, without the ability to swim, and with no lifejacket on right now, if they joined us. We're just out at sea completely.
People will say its hyperbole or greatly exaggerated but it really is not, we are that much of a shambles of a 'club', if you can even call us anything other than a businessman's milk maid these days.
If they had any sense players like De Ligt would stay well away from the club because it's highly likely they'll be throwing away golden years of their playing time alongside the likes of Phil Jones, Ashley Young and Chris Smalling who we just don't want to get rid of. The club deserves mediocrity and I wish some of the houlier than thou fans would shut up about being Top Reds and actually wake up to the nightmare that is this team at the moment.
Rather than pissing yourselves in anger about people saying players are too good for us (which they are), channel it into some action instead.
If you genuinely believe players like De Gea deserve to lineup alongside the majority of our shit slop squad just because we are "Manchester United and we do things the Manchester United way, no player is bigger blah blah blah", players which, by the way, we seem intent on overpaying and overextending like they are gonna be snatched off us by all the big teams, you need your head examined.
I know some fans here like to live with their head in the sand like we still rule the roost of the game of Football like the grand old era of the 90's and any talk of us being anything other than gods gift to football and the best team around is treason but it's the truth
It's the cold hard truth, De Gea has carried us for many a seasons, when the reality is a keeper of his quality shouldn't of been slumming it with our lot, he should of been challenging for the top honors the game has to offer.
Pogba may be a narcissistic prat who only likes to turn it on when he wants, but he's an outstanding player, he can do better than us.
It's a sad state of affairs but the majority of players would just be jumping off into the deep end, without the ability to swim, and with no lifejacket on right now, if they joined us. We're just out at sea completely.
People will say its hyperbole or greatly exaggerated but it really is not, we are that much of a shambles of a 'club', if you can even call us anything other than a businessman's milk maid these days.
If they had any sense players like De Ligt would stay well away from the club because it's highly likely they'll be throwing away golden years of their playing time alongside the likes of Phil Jones, Ashley Young and Chris Smalling who we just don't want to get rid of. The club deserves mediocrity and I wish some of the houlier than thou fans would shut up about being Top Reds and actually wake up to the nightmare that is this team at the moment.
Rather than pissing yourselves in anger about people saying players are too good for us (which they are), channel it into some action instead.
If you genuinely believe players like De Gea deserve to lineup alongside the majority of our shit slop squad just because we are "Manchester United and we do things the Manchester United way, no player is bigger blah blah blah", players which, by the way, we seem intent on overpaying and overextending like they are gonna be snatched off us by all the big teams, you need your head examined.
25% paycut
I always read those posts with a scouse accent ..
Why don't people remember to use their brains. How about rather than they deserve to play for better clubs, which is what you are all saying, how about instead they deserve to be joined at United by better players?
How about we the fans deserve better than some of the performances put in by the same players you are sometimes defending..
Why don't people remember to use their brains. How about rather than they deserve to play for better clubs, which is what you are all saying, how about instead they deserve to be joined at United by better players?
How about we the fans deserve better than some of the performances put in by the same players you are sometimes defending..
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Some players do deserve to be at better teams with better players. Not saying any of them are too good for the club Manchester United itself.
We are shit and probably going to go a long time before we win a league or CL again, if players want to win the major trophies before they retire why stay here?
We are shit and probably going to go a long time before we win a league or CL again, if players want to win the major trophies before they retire why stay here?
We should organise a whip-round - how can you manage on only £230,000 a week?25% paycut
I don't think that I deserve better, in fact I don't think that I deserve anything. Most fans have worse and they deal with it, United do not have a divine right to be successful and it's true for the players too, if they want to win there are two realistic options they trust the club to improve the playing and coaching staff and also improve themselves or they leave to join a club in a better situation.
Why does choosing to support the club through the hard times automatically make you a Top Red?
De Gea maybe, Pogba definitely fecking not.
One is the best in the world, the other is a parody of the best in the world.
One is the best in the world, the other is a parody of the best in the world.
It doesn't, it's the accusation that people who complain about something or make the sort of remarks in the topic, makes these people less of a fan, that makes people 'Top Reds', it always seems to come with the territory.
United deserve to be better but we have shit owners and Ed in charge. Some players are too good for how bad we are so yes it is understandable if they do not want to play for a team going nowhere.Same goes for incomings. Not a lot of reason to join us other than money and guarantee of play time.
Player careers are short.
Player careers are short.
@Amar__ Thanks for the shoutout, I think it is genuinely weird behavior for fans of the club.