I agree. Violence should never be the solution. Peaceful protest are not easy to do when you got "fans" running crazy. Even though 98% act civil and respectful, the crazy 2% will get most attention. It is not fair, but it is not unfair either. People who get hurt for life is just not okay.
There’s logic and then there’s this rubbish
I wonder what happens when they have an ingrown toenail? Chop the leg off? The level of simplistic, reactive, base-level emotional thinking....There’s logic and then there’s this rubbish
Exactly. And what do they expect will happen if we get relegated or Glazers just sell? Are we going to turn into some charity organisation or club will be taken over by other businessmen whose main goal will be the same, profit? Why do they thing any other owner will be better than the Glazers?
Exactly.
I haven't been at the protests so I can't say what anyone has done, but the organizers need to be very up and front and vocal during the protests, especially when it comes to calming the masses, and preferably helping to restrain elements that DO cause trouble.
You are joking aren't you?
It’s all about how the next owner funds the purchase and what happens to our debt. Leveraged buy out is the reason we got into this mess and another LBO is not going to solve it, that’s right.
LBO is not the reason why we couldn’t win the league. And I’m sick thinking about the way they bought the club but it doesn’t really matter to fans. They spent a lot of money on players who failed. Poor recruitment is the reason we can’t compete not the lack of money. And what do you care how much debt we have? That’s concern for accountants and owners. You just watch the game which is getting better nowadays.
It all starts at the top.
How do you think it felt to support the club in the post Busby years? How do you think Liverpool supporters felt in the post "boot room" years? How do you think Arsenal supporters are going to feel in the coming post Wenger years? We were privileged to have a 20+ year run of unprecedented success - that doesn't give us a divine right to it. We screwed up badly in our selections of players and managers post SAF - our (and Liverpool's) history show us how easy it is to do that after a long successful run. Right now we seem to be on something like an even keel and are showing progress, but there's a long way to go - get used to it - there are no magic bullets.
All money spent on players was generated by the club, not invested by the Glazers. They have not spent a penny of their own money on players, it’s been all flowing in the other direction. The debt matters because debt servicing costs are eating up money that could be invested in players, fixing up the stadium etc etc.
If we had owners who were investing rather than extracting money we would be still contending every year, no question at all about that. Glazers have just been parasites.
I haven’t seen the stadium for a while, but I believe it’s in a bad state. About the transfers, I will do more research but according to transfermarkt only City spent more in the last ten years. We tend to overpay for transfers and wages as well so I don’t know how much more you want. True, our recruitment was fairly poor so we should concentrate on getting better scouts and a sporting director. So there’s a lot of mismanagement but the money is there.
With the commercial success of our club we should be seeing the benefits of that on the pitch but it’s not happening. We are keeping pace with our rivals commercially but losing ground in football terms. The reason for that is our parasitic owners.
While that has played a part most of the reason for our downfall post Fergie is unfortunately our lack of football infrastructure. By the time SAF left, everything was tailored to him - and he had a lot of power at the club. Power that a manager usually doesn't have nowadays and oftentimes doesn't want. It took us a while to realize that and in that time we lurched from philosophy to philosophy spending money willey-nilley Dysneyland style on players that didn't suit us stylistically and styles that didn't suit the fans sensibilities.
That's why we don't deserve nice things
Well said.
Thinking?I wonder what happens when they have an ingrown toenail? Chop the leg off? The level of simplistic, reactive, base-level emotional thinking....
Checkers versus Chess.
But it still hasn't stopped us spending almost £1bn, even if it was badly.
The reason is bad management and very poor managers and transfer choices.
I think the point made generally is that yes we have spent shit load, and yes we have spent it badly, but if it weren’t for the servicing the debt + dividends, we could have spent much more and thus be in a better situation.
We’ll never know what we would have spent it on because they never gave us the chance. We are all guilty of accepting this farce simply because the club is so successful commercially that it generated enough cash to pay the debt servicing costs and the dividends and the stupid spending by a poorly run football department. Yes the last 8 years we spent a lot and wasted most of it. But we still leaked a small fortune in debt servicing because of the obscene LBO which they used to buy us.
In American Football the Green Packers have done this. *Green Bay is the 272nd largest city in the US with a population of 100,000.
Stop booting your money into tv games?
Haven't.. Been watching it the other way for years.
