Fluctuation0161
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A world class CB and a RW?
Plus a replacement for Pogba?
Squad wise, that is anyway.
Plus a replacement for Pogba?
Squad wise, that is anyway.
Unlucky.Put down £35!
No ideaWhat odds did your brother get?
Good luck!I put £100 on at 25 to 1 about 3 weeks ago
Yet only 2 more than the league leaders and favourites to win the league.We've scored the second highest number of goals in the league this season (only the scousers are ahead, though we have a game in hand).
The attack is great. How can it not be with Bruno, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani and Martial (and James and Mata) to pick from?
The issue is that we've conceded the most goals of anybody in the top half of the table (and 3 more than fecking Arsenal). At the current rate of 21 goals in 13 games, it would equate to 61 goals at the end of a full campaign.
Obviously, I don't expect the defence to keep conceding at that rate. The Spurs game threw off the averages. But it's definitely our Achilles heel.
Unlike most on this thread, I don't think the answer is simply down to transfers. I think it's down to coaching the current squad to stop the repeating the same errors we keep making at the back. Ole managed to do it once by fixing Lindelof's weakness in the air. Now he has to pull off the same trick by fixing AWB's aimless positioning on cross-field balls.
1 | Manchester City | 24 | 10 | 1 | 1 | 37 | 7 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 18 | 10 | 38 | 51 | |||
2 | Liverpool | 25 | 10 | 1 | 0 | 31 | 13 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 24 | 23 | 19 | 51 | |||
3 | Manchester United | 22 | 4 | 3 | 3 | 17 | 15 | 10 | 2 | 0 | 30 | 9 | 23 | 47 | |||
4 | Tottenham Hotspur | 25 | 7 | 3 | 2 | 21 | 11 | 6 | 5 | 2 | 24 | 14 | 20 | 47 |
Fantastic post. Great read. Makes absolute sense and gives a voice to a “gut” feeling I have been harbouring since all this title talk started. We simply don’t “feel” like a title chasing side, and your post articulates exactly why.In the euphoria of going top of the league at its halfway point, it is important to realise that our league position is somewhat inflated and we are getting better results than expected. Our actual goal difference is only 11 (36 scored and 25 conceded) ranking us at 5th tied with Aston Villa yet even this outperforms what is statistically expected. Our expected goal difference is even worse at 6.1 (32.2 expected goals and 26.1 expected goals against) ranking us at 7th (Aston Villa's expected goal difference is 13, in comparison) . This gives rise to an expected league position of 7th, below Brighton. These numbers would imply that while we maybe developing the grit to grind out the odd-goal win, a la championship form, that over time our actual position will regress to the mean expected position as City, Liverpool and Chelsea regain their expected positions and we will fall down the table.
It is also important mid-season (while unexpectedly top of the league) to not lose sight of the reasons that we complain about in every summer transfer window. The fundamental reason for this remain the same - (relative) underinvestment in the squad by the Glazers to value top 4 rather than the title. It is clear that if we actually had gotten Sancho, a starting CDM and maybe a CB in the summer, we would have had a far more resilient squad than the one that seems to be hanging on for dear life to one-goal leads at the likes of Fulham. While we may be caught up in the euphoria of unexpected success (though no trophies have been distributed yet!), this fundamental reason did not disappear once the season started and will likely remain with us while the Glazers own the club.
Our current exalted league position has a risk. Should we fall away this season from the 1st position with a whimper (having tasted unexpected mid-season success), fans will turn on management, top mid-career players like Pogba and Bruno will surely leave and even younger up-and-coming stars like Rashford will consider their futures elsewhere. We will have to again flirt with top-4 non-qualification and the possibility of the next entrant through the manager revolving door replacing Ole. The current Glazer investment strategy has no capability for us to avoid this very-real possibility.
Rather than complaining about the Glazers, however, this post seeks to outline the benefits of a strategy that may help them and us, the fans. We are currently in an open transfer window, so what if we were to invest the next 2 transfer window funds in this one? We might get more bang for our buck due to Covid pricing and, if there is any financial value to the Glazers from winning a title, surely there can't be a better time to invest in the squad if we are (unexpectedly) top of the league at the half-way point? Investing now will assure fans that the Glazers are interested in winning a title and, if we look at young and up-and-coming talent, will give us more time to bed them in. The cost of this strategy is the financial cost of spending the next 2 transfer window funds 6 months and a year earlier which amounts to half a year's interest on a loan, seemingly not a large price to pay for the benefits.
January is notoriously hard to get good players (Bruno, Vidic and Evra notwithstanding) so we will have to be smart and a bit lucky. Luckily, Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern now and are certain to lose an underperforming (relatively; this season) Sancho in the summer. What if we gave them a deal they couldn't refuse like 100m - 120m euros to take him now? Lille is in financial trouble now, so what if we bought a CDM like Soumare from Lille for 35m euros? And tested Leipzig's resolve with a 60m euro bid for Upamecano? For the cost of prepaying for 2 transfer windows we would have a squad capable of winning the PL this season for the first time in 8 years. Having bought youth presciently this summer in preparation for Brexit we could have a settled squad for the next year that would be enhanced by some of the best young talent around as it develops.
This strategy, though with some risk, is entirely rational for the opportunity that we find ourselves in. It, if it succeeds, carries the potential reward of a title that would gain many new young fans (income-generating possibilities) who don't remember Fergie's time of success as well as potentially increasing the valuation for the likes of potential buyers (like the Saudis when they inevitably take another crack at us) in an exit for the Glazers, their only goal. If we fail to win a title this year we will have a very good squad of assets that can be sold on or used to take another crack next year.
What do you all think? If this makes sense, I hope the Glazers read this.
I admire your optimism and I for one also hopes Joel reads thisWhat do you all think? If this makes sense, I hope the Glazers read this.
All around a very sensible post. Only thing is, I'm not sure if we brought someone in in this window, they'd be ready and clicking the next 4-5 months as the league is high-paced and needs adjusting to, even for (an out of form) Sancho I believe. On paper the strategy seems good, but I'm not sure how it works in reality - Also with the overall price of Sancho and what we've just paid for Diallo, I don't think we can spend 100-120m euros and in total about 230-260m on him at the moment. I think we backed out, because the total price was just too much. Not sure if a 20% cheaper offer in total would make it feasible - At the moment he's also a 50% worse player than he was, so it's also about what player we get. (Pulisic to Chelsea really springs to mind here - same path, but more injured)In the euphoria of going top of the league at its halfway point, it is important to realise that our league position is somewhat inflated and we are getting better results than expected. Our actual goal difference is only 11 (36 scored and 25 conceded) ranking us at 5th tied with Aston Villa yet even this outperforms what is statistically expected. Our expected goal difference is even worse at 6.1 (32.2 expected goals and 26.1 expected goals against) ranking us at 7th (Aston Villa's expected goal difference is 13, in comparison) . This gives rise to an expected league position of 7th, below Brighton. These numbers would imply that while we maybe developing the grit to grind out the odd-goal win, a la championship form, that over time our actual position will regress to the mean expected position as City, Liverpool and Chelsea regain their expected positions and we will fall down the table.
It is also important mid-season (while unexpectedly top of the league) to not lose sight of the reasons that we complain about in every summer transfer window. The fundamental reason for this remain the same - (relative) underinvestment in the squad by the Glazers to value top 4 rather than the title. It is clear that if we actually had gotten Sancho, a starting CDM and maybe a CB in the summer, we would have had a far more resilient squad than the one that seems to be hanging on for dear life to one-goal leads at the likes of Fulham. While we may be caught up in the euphoria of unexpected success (though no trophies have been distributed yet!), this fundamental reason did not disappear once the season started and will likely remain with us while the Glazers own the club.
Our current exalted league position has a risk. Should we fall away this season from the 1st position with a whimper (having tasted unexpected mid-season success), fans will turn on management, top mid-career players like Pogba and Bruno will surely leave and even younger up-and-coming stars like Rashford will consider their futures elsewhere. We will have to again flirt with top-4 non-qualification and the possibility of the next entrant through the manager revolving door replacing Ole. The current Glazer investment strategy has no capability for us to avoid this very-real possibility.
Rather than complaining about the Glazers, however, this post seeks to outline the benefits of a strategy that may help them and us, the fans. We are currently in an open transfer window, so what if we were to invest the next 2 transfer window funds in this one? We might get more bang for our buck due to Covid pricing and, if there is any financial value to the Glazers from winning a title, surely there can't be a better time to invest in the squad if we are (unexpectedly) top of the league at the half-way point? Investing now will assure fans that the Glazers are interested in winning a title and, if we look at young and up-and-coming talent, will give us more time to bed them in. The cost of this strategy is the financial cost of spending the next 2 transfer window funds 6 months and a year earlier which amounts to half a year's interest on a loan, seemingly not a large price to pay for the benefits.
January is notoriously hard to get good players (Bruno, Vidic and Evra notwithstanding) so we will have to be smart and a bit lucky. Luckily, Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern now and are certain to lose an underperforming (relatively; this season) Sancho in the summer. What if we gave them a deal they couldn't refuse like 100m - 120m euros to take him now? Lille is in financial trouble now, so what if we bought a CDM like Soumare from Lille for 35m euros? And tested Leipzig's resolve with a 60m euro bid for Upamecano? For the cost of prepaying for 2 transfer windows we would have a squad capable of winning the PL this season for the first time in 8 years. Having bought youth presciently this summer in preparation for Brexit we could have a settled squad for the next year that would be enhanced by some of the best young talent around as it develops.
This strategy, though with some risk, is entirely rational for the opportunity that we find ourselves in. It, if it succeeds, carries the potential reward of a title that would gain many new young fans (income-generating possibilities) who don't remember Fergie's time of success as well as potentially increasing the valuation for the likes of potential buyers (like the Saudis when they inevitably take another crack at us) in an exit for the Glazers, their only goal. If we fail to win a title this year we will have a very good squad of assets that can be sold on or used to take another crack next year.
What do you all think? If this makes sense, I hope the Glazers read this.
Some of our stats are completely destroyed by the first 3 games, when we barely had a preseason and our players were dead on their feet.In the euphoria of going top of the league at its halfway point, it is important to realise that our league position is somewhat inflated and we are getting better results than expected. Our actual goal difference is only 11 (36 scored and 25 conceded) ranking us at 5th tied with Aston Villa yet even this outperforms what is statistically expected. Our expected goal difference is even worse at 6.1 (32.2 expected goals and 26.1 expected goals against) ranking us at 7th (Aston Villa's expected goal difference is 13, in comparison) . This gives rise to an expected league position of 7th, below Brighton. These numbers would imply that while we maybe developing the grit to grind out the odd-goal win, a la championship form, that over time our actual position will regress to the mean expected position as City, Liverpool and Chelsea regain their expected positions and we will fall down the table.
It is also important mid-season (while unexpectedly top of the league) to not lose sight of the reasons that we complain about in every summer transfer window. The fundamental reason for this remain the same - (relative) underinvestment in the squad by the Glazers to value top 4 rather than the title. It is clear that if we actually had gotten Sancho, a starting CDM and maybe a CB in the summer, we would have had a far more resilient squad than the one that seems to be hanging on for dear life to one-goal leads at the likes of Fulham. While we may be caught up in the euphoria of unexpected success (though no trophies have been distributed yet!), this fundamental reason did not disappear once the season started and will likely remain with us while the Glazers own the club.
Our current exalted league position has a risk. Should we fall away this season from the 1st position with a whimper (having tasted unexpected mid-season success), fans will turn on management, top mid-career players like Pogba and Bruno will surely leave and even younger up-and-coming stars like Rashford will consider their futures elsewhere. We will have to again flirt with top-4 non-qualification and the possibility of the next entrant through the manager revolving door replacing Ole. The current Glazer investment strategy has no capability for us to avoid this very-real possibility.
Rather than complaining about the Glazers, however, this post seeks to outline the benefits of a strategy that may help them and us, the fans. We are currently in an open transfer window, so what if we were to invest the next 2 transfer window funds in this one? We might get more bang for our buck due to Covid pricing and, if there is any financial value to the Glazers from winning a title, surely there can't be a better time to invest in the squad if we are (unexpectedly) top of the league at the half-way point? Investing now will assure fans that the Glazers are interested in winning a title and, if we look at young and up-and-coming talent, will give us more time to bed them in. The cost of this strategy is the financial cost of spending the next 2 transfer window funds 6 months and a year earlier which amounts to half a year's interest on a loan, seemingly not a large price to pay for the benefits.
January is notoriously hard to get good players (Bruno, Vidic and Evra notwithstanding) so we will have to be smart and a bit lucky. Luckily, Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern now and are certain to lose an underperforming (relatively; this season) Sancho in the summer. What if we gave them a deal they couldn't refuse like 100m - 120m euros to take him now? Lille is in financial trouble now, so what if we bought a CDM like Soumare from Lille for 35m euros? And tested Leipzig's resolve with a 60m euro bid for Upamecano? For the cost of prepaying for 2 transfer windows we would have a squad capable of winning the PL this season for the first time in 8 years. Having bought youth presciently this summer in preparation for Brexit we could have a settled squad for the next year that would be enhanced by some of the best young talent around as it develops.
This strategy, though with some risk, is entirely rational for the opportunity that we find ourselves in. It, if it succeeds, carries the potential reward of a title that would gain many new young fans (income-generating possibilities) who don't remember Fergie's time of success as well as potentially increasing the valuation for the likes of potential buyers (like the Saudis when they inevitably take another crack at us) in an exit for the Glazers, their only goal. If we fail to win a title this year we will have a very good squad of assets that can be sold on or used to take another crack next year.
What do you all think? If this makes sense, I hope the Glazers read this.
All of us should mail this post to man utd reps. Largely agree with you although I don’t see the expected goal diff metric as the Holy Grail. For instance if we dominate Fulham with 7-1and lose to Liverpool 0-1, would that be better than if we beat Fulham 2-0 and Liverpool 1-0? The expected GD would suggest that the first team is better. I understand your more nuanced point that we have been outperforming our expected GD.In the euphoria of going top of the league at its halfway point, it is important to realise that our league position is somewhat inflated and we are getting better results than expected. Our actual goal difference is only 11 (36 scored and 25 conceded) ranking us at 5th tied with Aston Villa yet even this outperforms what is statistically expected. Our expected goal difference is even worse at 6.1 (32.2 expected goals and 26.1 expected goals against) ranking us at 7th (Aston Villa's expected goal difference is 13, in comparison) . This gives rise to an expected league position of 7th, below Brighton. These numbers would imply that while we maybe developing the grit to grind out the odd-goal win, a la championship form, that over time our actual position will regress to the mean expected position as City, Liverpool and Chelsea regain their expected positions and we will fall down the table.
It is also important mid-season (while unexpectedly top of the league) to not lose sight of the reasons that we complain about in every summer transfer window. The fundamental reason for this remain the same - (relative) underinvestment in the squad by the Glazers to value top 4 rather than the title. It is clear that if we actually had gotten Sancho, a starting CDM and maybe a CB in the summer, we would have had a far more resilient squad than the one that seems to be hanging on for dear life to one-goal leads at the likes of Fulham. While we may be caught up in the euphoria of unexpected success (though no trophies have been distributed yet!), this fundamental reason did not disappear once the season started and will likely remain with us while the Glazers own the club.
Our current exalted league position has a risk. Should we fall away this season from the 1st position with a whimper (having tasted unexpected mid-season success), fans will turn on management, top mid-career players like Pogba and Bruno will surely leave and even younger up-and-coming stars like Rashford will consider their futures elsewhere. We will have to again flirt with top-4 non-qualification and the possibility of the next entrant through the manager revolving door replacing Ole. The current Glazer investment strategy has no capability for us to avoid this very-real possibility.
Rather than complaining about the Glazers, however, this post seeks to outline the benefits of a strategy that may help them and us, the fans. We are currently in an open transfer window, so what if we were to invest the next 2 transfer window funds in this one? We might get more bang for our buck due to Covid pricing and, if there is any financial value to the Glazers from winning a title, surely there can't be a better time to invest in the squad if we are (unexpectedly) top of the league at the half-way point? Investing now will assure fans that the Glazers are interested in winning a title and, if we look at young and up-and-coming talent, will give us more time to bed them in. The cost of this strategy is the financial cost of spending the next 2 transfer window funds 6 months and a year earlier which amounts to half a year's interest on a loan, seemingly not a large price to pay for the benefits.
January is notoriously hard to get good players (Bruno, Vidic and Evra notwithstanding) so we will have to be smart and a bit lucky. Luckily, Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern now and are certain to lose an underperforming (relatively; this season) Sancho in the summer. What if we gave them a deal they couldn't refuse like 100m - 120m euros to take him now? Lille is in financial trouble now, so what if we bought a CDM like Soumare from Lille for 35m euros? And tested Leipzig's resolve with a 60m euro bid for Upamecano? For the cost of prepaying for 2 transfer windows we would have a squad capable of winning the PL this season for the first time in 8 years. Having bought youth presciently this summer in preparation for Brexit we could have a settled squad for the next year that would be enhanced by some of the best young talent around as it develops.
This strategy, though with some risk, is entirely rational for the opportunity that we find ourselves in. It, if it succeeds, carries the potential reward of a title that would gain many new young fans (income-generating possibilities) who don't remember Fergie's time of success as well as potentially increasing the valuation for the likes of potential buyers (like the Saudis when they inevitably take another crack at us) in an exit for the Glazers, their only goal. If we fail to win a title this year we will have a very good squad of assets that can be sold on or used to take another crack next year.
What do you all think? If this makes sense, I hope the Glazers read this.
I think the Glazers purposely avoid all possible sources of good ideas so they can maintain deniability.In the euphoria of going top of the league at its halfway point, it is important to realise that our league position is somewhat inflated and we are getting better results than expected. Our actual goal difference is only 11 (36 scored and 25 conceded) ranking us at 5th tied with Aston Villa yet even this outperforms what is statistically expected. Our expected goal difference is even worse at 6.1 (32.2 expected goals and 26.1 expected goals against) ranking us at 7th (Aston Villa's expected goal difference is 13, in comparison) . This gives rise to an expected league position of 7th, below Brighton. These numbers would imply that while we maybe developing the grit to grind out the odd-goal win, a la championship form, that over time our actual position will regress to the mean expected position as City, Liverpool and Chelsea regain their expected positions and we will fall down the table.
It is also important mid-season (while unexpectedly top of the league) to not lose sight of the reasons that we complain about in every summer transfer window. The fundamental reason for this remain the same - (relative) underinvestment in the squad by the Glazers to value top 4 rather than the title. It is clear that if we actually had gotten Sancho, a starting CDM and maybe a CB in the summer, we would have had a far more resilient squad than the one that seems to be hanging on for dear life to one-goal leads at the likes of Fulham. While we may be caught up in the euphoria of unexpected success (though no trophies have been distributed yet!), this fundamental reason did not disappear once the season started and will likely remain with us while the Glazers own the club.
Our current exalted league position has a risk. Should we fall away this season from the 1st position with a whimper (having tasted unexpected mid-season success), fans will turn on management, top mid-career players like Pogba and Bruno will surely leave and even younger up-and-coming stars like Rashford will consider their futures elsewhere. We will have to again flirt with top-4 non-qualification and the possibility of the next entrant through the manager revolving door replacing Ole. The current Glazer investment strategy has no capability for us to avoid this very-real possibility.
Rather than complaining about the Glazers, however, this post seeks to outline the benefits of a strategy that may help them and us, the fans. We are currently in an open transfer window, so what if we were to invest the next 2 transfer window funds in this one? We might get more bang for our buck due to Covid pricing and, if there is any financial value to the Glazers from winning a title, surely there can't be a better time to invest in the squad if we are (unexpectedly) top of the league at the half-way point? Investing now will assure fans that the Glazers are interested in winning a title and, if we look at young and up-and-coming talent, will give us more time to bed them in. The cost of this strategy is the financial cost of spending the next 2 transfer window funds 6 months and a year earlier which amounts to half a year's interest on a loan, seemingly not a large price to pay for the benefits.
January is notoriously hard to get good players (Bruno, Vidic and Evra notwithstanding) so we will have to be smart and a bit lucky. Luckily, Dortmund is 10 points behind Bayern now and are certain to lose an underperforming (relatively; this season) Sancho in the summer. What if we gave them a deal they couldn't refuse like 100m - 120m euros to take him now? Lille is in financial trouble now, so what if we bought a CDM like Soumare from Lille for 35m euros? And tested Leipzig's resolve with a 60m euro bid for Upamecano? For the cost of prepaying for 2 transfer windows we would have a squad capable of winning the PL this season for the first time in 8 years. Having bought youth presciently this summer in preparation for Brexit we could have a settled squad for the next year that would be enhanced by some of the best young talent around as it develops.
This strategy, though with some risk, is entirely rational for the opportunity that we find ourselves in. It, if it succeeds, carries the potential reward of a title that would gain many new young fans (income-generating possibilities) who don't remember Fergie's time of success as well as potentially increasing the valuation for the likes of potential buyers (like the Saudis when they inevitably take another crack at us) in an exit for the Glazers, their only goal. If we fail to win a title this year we will have a very good squad of assets that can be sold on or used to take another crack next year.
What do you all think? If this makes sense, I hope the Glazers read this.
+CFRW,DM,RB and a CB.
Thanks. Agree about gut feeling.Fantastic post. Great read. Makes absolute sense and gives a voice to a “gut” feeling I have been harbouring since all this title talk started. We simply don’t “feel” like a title chasing side, and your post articulates exactly why.
#MeTooI admire your optimism and I for one also hopes Joel reads this
Agree about Diallo being a potential barrier for Sancho. Could still use a CDM, though. Ndidi would kill many birds...All around a very sensible post. Only thing is, I'm not sure if we brought someone in in this window, they'd be ready and clicking the next 4-5 months as the league is high-paced and needs adjusting to, even for (an out of form) Sancho I believe. On paper the strategy seems good, but I'm not sure how it works in reality - Also with the overall price of Sancho and what we've just paid for Diallo, I don't think we can spend 100-120m euros and in total about 230-260m on him at the moment. I think we backed out, because the total price was just too much. Not sure if a 20% cheaper offer in total would make it feasible - At the moment he's also a 50% worse player than he was, so it's also about what player we get. (Pulisic to Chelsea really springs to mind here - same path, but more injured)
Great point I hadn’t fully appreciated. Still, we should be moving from 2nd/3rd xPts to 1st to have a chance.Some of our stats are completely destroyed by the first 3 games, when we barely had a preseason and our players were dead on their feet.
Check the stats from Oct 17 (after first 3 games) then we are in top 2 in almost all metrics. Second in XG, 3rd in XGA, 2nd in expected points. We have done really well after the first 3 games.
We had expected goals against of 8.1 in first 3 games, that's one of the reason why stats on a whole shows us in 'not so good' position.
A “man utd rep”? What a great business idea, like a fanship manager.All of us should mail this post to man utd reps. Largely agree with you although I don’t see the expected goal diff metric as the Holy Grail. For instance if we dominate Fulham with 7-1and lose to Liverpool 0-1, would that be better than if we beat Fulham 2-0 and Liverpool 1-0? The expected GD would suggest that the first team is better. I understand your more nuanced point that we have been outperforming our expected GD.
But I agree with your conclusions. We clearly need strengthening - the board should support Ole now. If not by helping us 3 players but filling even 1 crucial position could make a difference.
Partey was perfect, Ndidi/Rice will cost more for lessCan't understand why Utd have let Arsenal have a free run at Partey. Partey could have been immense for this team by simply freeing up the creative players to do what they do best without losing quality from deep. A proper CDM and right Winger and this team is title-worthy.
Fantastic point about all xG not being the same - Messi is expected to score more goals from the same situation than James. Yet, there is a feeling that we are getting lucky, a feeling that didn’t exist in the Fergie years.So the problem with a post about xpected whatevers is pretty obvious when it reads "Man Utd should be behind Brighton". If you've ever watched Brighton with real human eyes you'll know they deserve to be exactly where they are in the table because they concede daft goals and bottle it in key moments in front of goal. Stuff like Pogba's goal yesterday is why xGs are rubbish - we have players who have the nerve, belief and talent to do that and Brighton don't.
I do agree that we shouldn't be struggling to one goal wins the whole time but in fairness every team is going to have times where their forwards are out of form - in our case Rashford, Martial and Greenwood all are - so tbh I'll take a one goal win at this point. You see with Liverpool when Salah, Mané and Jota are all out/ out of form how they struggle too. Or Leicester with Vardy and Maddison.
Clearly we can improve the squad, and let's hope we do, but I think we have the 2nd best team this year and if City cock it up we can win.
Absolutely. Would make great sense to explain the past 15 years. Yet, their investment in young talent lately suggests they are listening.to data people more now.I think the Glazers purposely avoid all possible sources of good ideas so they can maintain deniability.
And that.. Martial isn´t working at all.