I think he was considered on the wane despite a good season at Milan prior. He went back to Milan and failed to score in 18 games before settling back at Kyiv
How good was Prime Shevchenko?
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I think he was considered on the wane despite a good season at Milan prior. He went back to Milan and failed to score in 18 games before settling back at Kyiv
He was class.
Hilarious that someone thinks Del Piero was better.
Hilarious that someone thinks Del Piero was better.
Sheva was shot when he moved. Same like Kaka. He didn't have the same explosiveness which made him the forward he was and it was only downhill from there.
Best striker in the world and Ballon D'or winner at one point, I'd compare him during his peak with someone like Lewandowski.
Still couldn't figure out why he flopped so badly at Chelsea. Maybe Serie A was overrated during 2000s, or maybe he just aged badly once he enter his early 30s.
Still couldn't figure out why he flopped so badly at Chelsea. Maybe Serie A was overrated during 2000s, or maybe he just aged badly once he enter his early 30s.
Yeah he definitely tailed off on that front
Aye. There were signs at the end of his final season at Milan that he was beginning to drop off, picking up a couple of injuries and failing to score in his final 6 games. Then he looked like he'd dropped a level physically at the World Cup.
Milan beat United and Liverpool fairly easily en route to the Champions League the season after he joined Chelsea, don't think it was a Serie A thing. Thing was as well apparently Milan were desperate to keep him, wanted him to sign a long-term contract. They were probably glad they didn't the way he tailed off physically.
His form at dynamo Kiev was simply stupendous , take his sublime hattrick against barca for example.
To do a more modern comparison I'd say He'd offer you a lot more than someone like haaland would although probably at the cost of a small drop off in pure goalscoring output.
To do a more modern comparison I'd say He'd offer you a lot more than someone like haaland would although probably at the cost of a small drop off in pure goalscoring output.
I ran the numbers in Serie A, La Liga, CL and national teams. In goals and assists per minutes Raul is better in the CL and at international level but Shevchenko is better in Serie A vs La Liga records. The splits are kind of interesting:
CL: 1 G+A every 116.6 minutes for Raul against 138.4 for Shevchenko.
Seria/La Liga: 1 G+A every 142.9 minutes for Raul against 110 for Shevchenko.
NT: 1 G+A every 140.2 minutes for Raul against 151 for Shevchenko.
“No more questions, Your Honour.”
Sheva was class. He has to be in the top 50 out and out centre forwards of the 21st Century.
@GazTheLegend . Here's my top 50 strikers of the last 30 years in no particular order. See if you can think of 51 other strikers who should be in a top 100 list instead of Sheva
Ronaldo Luis
Shevchenko
Suker
Anelka
Van Nistelrooy
Romario
Cavani
Aguero
Henry
Crespo
Morientes
Shearer
Van Persie
Eto'o
Raul Gonzales
Zamorano
David Trezeguet
Torres
Haaland
M. Owen
D. Villa
Drogba
F. Inzaghi
Robbie Keane
Jermaine Defoe
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Patrick Kluivert
Berbatov
Robbie Fowler
Kane
Benni McCarthy
Benzema
Batistuta
Adriano Leite
Andy Cole
Saha
Makaay
Luis Suarez
Larsson
Lukaku
Diego Milito
Klinsmann
Papin
Higuain
Pauleta
Sheringham
Osimhen
Claudio Pizarro
Lewendowski
Klose
@GazTheLegend . Here's my top 50 strikers of the last 30 years in no particular order. See if you can think of 51 other strikers who should be in a top 100 list instead of Sheva
Ronaldo Luis
Shevchenko
Suker
Anelka
Van Nistelrooy
Romario
Cavani
Aguero
Henry
Crespo
Morientes
Shearer
Van Persie
Eto'o
Raul Gonzales
Zamorano
David Trezeguet
Torres
Haaland
M. Owen
D. Villa
Drogba
F. Inzaghi
Robbie Keane
Jermaine Defoe
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Patrick Kluivert
Berbatov
Robbie Fowler
Kane
Benni McCarthy
Benzema
Batistuta
Adriano Leite
Andy Cole
Saha
Makaay
Luis Suarez
Larsson
Lukaku
Diego Milito
Klinsmann
Papin
Higuain
Pauleta
Sheringham
Osimhen
Claudio Pizarro
Lewendowski
Klose
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Shevchenko was really good. In his prime he was top 2. Comfortable as top striker or as support striker. I thought of Lewandowski but I think Sheva is more Benzema than Lewy
Regard the part in bold, can we extend that line of thought to EPL and Hazard flopping
Chelsea signed him when he was coming to the end of his prime and he didn't suit Mourinho's tactical approach. He was deadly at Milan though, I wanted him to replace Ruud but we ended up with Rooney instead so can't complain.
He kinda would and did. Made the best 100 players of the 20th Century
Individual
Ballon d'Or: 2004[115]
UEFA Champions League top scorer: 1998-1999 (8 goals), 2005-2006 (9 goals)
ESM Team of the Year: 1999–2000,[117] 2003–04,[117] 2004–05[117]
UEFA Club Forward of the Year: 1998–99[118]
UEFA Team of the Year: 2004,[119] 2005[120]
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year: 2000[121]
Serie A top scorer: 1999-00 (24 goals), 2003–04 (24 goals)
Serie A Goal of the Year: 2004[122]
Golden Foot: 2005[124]
FIFPro World XI: 2005[125]
FIFA 100[126][127]
AC Milan Hall of Fame[60]
Pallone d'Argento: 2003–04 [128]
L'Équipe Team of the Year: 2004, 2005.[129][130]
World Soccer's 100 Greatest Players of the 20th Century[131]
He was easily among top 5 strikers in the late 90s-early00s.
So did Sheva!
I clearly remember him at Milan. My brother is a Milan fan since the C4 days (go figure!)
Shevchenko was an absolute weapon back then. Deadly
No idea why he failed at Chelsea though
Being absolutely fair to Raul, he was more of a support striker than an outright no. 9 so his goalscoring stats are ridiculously impressive whatever way you slice it. Still would take Sheva over him - but Raul was fantastic.
Got the white Milan shirt with Shevchenko on the back.
I had a thing for AC Milan strikers.
After Shevchenko it was Zlatan at Milan.
I had a thing for AC Milan strikers.
After Shevchenko it was Zlatan at Milan.
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Above Ruud, below Henry.
I should be PAID by Redcafe for my incredibly controversial opinions because as with all things they are subjective, I'm way too lazy to @ the many, many people who disagree and I shall have to asterisk the following with the warning: all opinions are subjective and to continue naming the 100 strikers that are better or I'd rather have in any of my team's than Shevchenko, I'll remind the following - that you could probably create a thread called "how good was (name) here really" and have similar responses, and the nitpicky "ohhhh but he wasn't really a striker, he was a left forward blah blah" and that sort of thing I already know will be a useful strawman to argue against - I'm arguing Vs one player and offering 100 for people to argue against me for some reason. So to continue my list (which I'm handicapping myself DELIBERATELY by not naming the two greatest, or any currently playing forwards - and I will say FORWARDS not strikers) I'll add:
Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Rude van Nistelrooy, Fernando Torres, Hristo Stoitchkov, Dennis Bergkamp, Robin van Persie, David Villa, Patrick Kluivert, Roberto Baggio and Giuseppe Signori.
Now I'm leaving myself open to attack on any one of the players I've named, but I feel like any of those mentioned were incredible and you could start a thread asking about them too. Now I remember that game @The Boy , I remember thinking "holy shit Rebrov and Shevchenko are absolutely incredible", but there's been plenty of incredible performances or good seasons by individual players in the past (David Healy Vs Spain surely goes down as the best of all time for instance) but nobody's creating a thread asking how good David Healy really was.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Rude van Nistelrooy, Fernando Torres, Hristo Stoitchkov, Dennis Bergkamp, Robin van Persie, David Villa, Patrick Kluivert, Roberto Baggio and Giuseppe Signori.
Now I'm leaving myself open to attack on any one of the players I've named, but I feel like any of those mentioned were incredible and you could start a thread asking about them too. Now I remember that game @The Boy , I remember thinking "holy shit Rebrov and Shevchenko are absolutely incredible", but there's been plenty of incredible performances or good seasons by individual players in the past (David Healy Vs Spain surely goes down as the best of all time for instance) but nobody's creating a thread asking how good David Healy really was.
@Stacks that stuff is all just political. If he didn't make it on to my list then none of his medals count.
putting aside the forward/striker issue, having Kluivert and Torres ahead of Sheva is an awful, awful choice. Let alone coming up with another 80 names...
The rest you mentioned Baggio, Villa and Stoichkov are the only ones that you can put in the same bracket. Love Bepe Signori and van Persie, but neither hit those heights.
he was nothing like Haland, if u wanna compare him probably an Owen.
He was playing full seasons since he was 16. By the time he went to Chelsea, he was burnt out.
Amazing player but had his legacy tainted at Chelski. I used to love watching that Milan team. He and Kaka were incredible to watch.
Above Lukaku, below Ronaldo.
Exactly, somewhere between Bebe and Pelé
The only logical explanation to putting Fernando Torres over Shevchenko must be that you're Russian and pro-Putin.
You're either not serious or didn't watch him play. He was up there with the likes of Henry and RVN easily, you could make a case he was better than the latter.
you crazy as hell
Sheva was class. He has to be in the top 50 out and out centre forwards of the 21st Century.
@GazTheLegend . Here's my top 50 strikers of the last 30 years in no particular order. See if you can think of 51 other strikers who should be in a top 100 list instead of Sheva
Ronaldo Luis
Shevchenko
Suker
Anelka
Van Nistelrooy
Romario
Cavani
Aguero
Henry
Crespo
Morientes
Shearer
Van Persie
Eto'o
Raul Gonzales
Zamorano
David Trezeguet
Torres
Haaland
M. Owen
D. Villa
Drogba
F. Inzaghi
Robbie Keane
Jermaine Defoe
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Patrick Kluivert
Berbatov
Robbie Fowler
Kane
Benni McCarthy
Benzema
Batistuta
Adriano Leite
Andy Cole
Saha
Makaay
Luis Suarez
Larsson
Lukaku
Diego Milito
Klinsmann
Papin
Higuain
Pauleta
Sheringham
Osimhen
Claudio Pizarro
Lewendowski
Klose
Osimhen?
There used to be so many wonderful strikers, it's almost unbelievable. 10 years ago, 20 years ago...
I wonder how you can rate Sheva, Batigol, Aguero, Eto'o, Henry, RVN... Every one of them was exceptional, and it seems like saying they were better or worse than their counterparts sometimes has more to do with personal taste than anything else.
Are these names better than Suarez? Lewandowski?
recency bias vs nostalgia, take 12491241230459.
I wonder how you can rate Sheva, Batigol, Aguero, Eto'o, Henry, RVN... Every one of them was exceptional, and it seems like saying they were better or worse than their counterparts sometimes has more to do with personal taste than anything else.
Are these names better than Suarez? Lewandowski?
recency bias vs nostalgia, take 12491241230459.
I absolutely respect the fact you’re willing to face the majority and stand by your opinion. But in the same way I sort of respect the guy outside Premier shouting about how the earth is flat. Completely wrong but still I salute you
Incredible striker, one of many in that era. Reputation took a kicking due to his Chelsea stint though.
Galileo once told the Pope that the rest of the universe did not, in fact, revolve around the Earth as was accepted fact at the time. He was made to admit that his astrological findings (the Earth revolving around the sun) were wrong under oath, faced the inquisition, and was burned to death for his hereticism.
He was, as it turns out, completely and utterly correct, and it was the powers that be who simply wanted people to remain stupid and ignorant. Should one just accept being burned to death on Redcafe simply because people can't accept that there were many, many (many) better players than Andriy Shevchenko, or should he be silenced forever and reduced as a person for knowing that his superior footballing ken should go unheeded and their inferior inflated ego's should not be shattered? You decide...
You keep on with this but you might as well be saying Harry Maguire is the best England defender of his generation, Beckham wasn’t good at free kicks or Nani was United’s best ever winger. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and all that but some are just simply wrong.