if 80000 applied for the barcelona game

Fergiesarmy · Nov 19, 2001

and you only had 30000 for the boavista game

does that make liverpool fans part-timers or glory hunters

personally i think both!

barca99 · Nov 20, 2001

How many applied for their game with Rotherham? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Father Ted · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
and you only had 30000 for the boavista game

does that make liverpool fans part-timers or glory hunters

personally i think both!<hr></blockquote>

You might be right, But coming from a manc a qoute about part timers and glory hunters is really the pot calling the kettle black.

You may fill your stadium every week, but I would rather watch the game with 30,000 diehards than
67,000 crisp packet rustling, prawn sandwich eating part time glory hunters.

Just ask Keano!!

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Father Ted:
[QB]

You may fill your stadium every week, but I would rather watch the game with 30,000 diehards
QB]<hr></blockquote>

so all the 30000 against boavista were diehards then?

Father Ted · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


so all the 30000 against boavista were diehards then?

<hr></blockquote>

Well I don't know them all personally but I would suggest the majority were, yes!

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


so all the 30000 against boavista were diehards then?

<hr></blockquote>

The CL starts proper tonight...the crowds at the early games were poor but the competition was hardly inspiring...

The Boavista game was on the 11 Sept, I reckon a fair few may have had other things on their minds...

ChampionsElect · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


The CL starts proper tonight...the crowds at the early games were poor but the competition was hardly inspiring...

The Boavista game was on the 11 Sept, I reckon a fair few may have had other things on their minds...<hr></blockquote>

Yeah, yeah, yeah....

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Father Ted:


Well I don't know them all personally but I would suggest the majority were, yes!

<hr></blockquote>

so u wouldnt suggest that seeing as the tickets were on open sale that some fans who dont usually get the chance to go took advantage and bought a ticket?

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by ChampionsElect:


Yeah, yeah, yeah....<hr></blockquote>

So you don't think one of the most newsworthy and horrific occurences of late may have taken precendence to many over a football match?

ChampionsElect · Nov 20, 2001

Liverpool are cherry picking part time fans, something which have been proved over the last 12 months...

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


The Boavista game was on the 11 Sept, I reckon a fair few may have had other things on their minds...<hr></blockquote>

1. the tickets were not sold for that game....did they have the forsight to see the tragic incidents in america beforehand and decided not to purchase a ticket?

2. what about the crowds against haka and kiev?

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


1. the tickets were not sold for that game....did they have the forsight to see the tragic incidents in america beforehand and decided not to purchase a ticket?

2. what about the crowds against haka and kiev?<hr></blockquote>

Tickets were on sale on the night, so they didn't need to be bought in advance...

The Haka match was little more than a reserves match, the Dortmund crowd was disapointing...

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


Tickets were on sale on the night <hr></blockquote>

are they on sale tonight?

Father Ted · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


so u wouldnt suggest that seeing as the tickets were on open sale that some fans who dont usually get the chance to go took advantage and bought a ticket?<hr></blockquote>

I would think that a number of tickets were taken up by people who don't always go to the game, that doesn't make them any less a diehard fan.

If they are passionate about the club and want to cheer there team then good on them for turning up.

Your original statement was that all the glory hunters have jumped on the bandwagon tonight because it is Barca, I would be inclined to agree with you, but I certainly wouldn't call people who turn out against lesser teams in cup competitions Glory hunters.

All succesful teams have hangers on who claim to be the worlds biggest fan and in reality know very little about the club. I would also say that you have more than most, so why have a pop at Liverpool because of demand for tickets for this game. Like I said before, POT KETTLE BLACK.

ChampionsElect · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


So you don't think one of the most newsworthy and horrific occurences of late may have taken precendence to many over a football match?<hr></blockquote>

Eh, the tickets were sold days before that happened, as FA pointed out.

Are you saying you would have gone if it hadn't been for what happened in NY?

ChampionsElect · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


are they on sale tonight?<hr></blockquote>

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


are they on sale tonight?<hr></blockquote>

I wouldn't have thought so saying it was a ticket stub only match...

But I've heard talk of some on sale tho I've seen folks asking for spares throughout the last week..

But considering that 80,000 people applied allegedly, if there are tickets on sale its another ticker office cock up....

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Father Ted:


All succesful teams have hangers on who claim to be the worlds biggest fan and in reality know very little about the club. I would also say that you have more than most, so why have a pop at Liverpool because of demand for tickets for this game. Like I said before, POT KETTLE BLACK.<hr></blockquote>

so if you want to have a serious argument about it father ted.

1. united have had the best crowds for the last 30 years even when you were the better team. were they glory hunters then when we had not won the league for 26 years?

2. if united have 67000 fans for a champions league game and liverpool 30000 fans based upon a fair assumption that some of these fans are part-timers or glory hunters, how many diehards would you say would be in each stadium.

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by ChampionsElect:


Eh, the tickets were sold days before that happened, as FA pointed out.

Are you saying you would have gone if it hadn't been for what happened in NY?<hr></blockquote>

No I wouldn't of gone as I couldn't get time off work...

But I didn't even got to the pub to watch the match due to what happened across the pond...so I wouldn't be surprised if others altered their plans...

ChampionsElect · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


I wouldn't have thought so saying it was a ticket stub only match...

But I've heard talk of some on sale tho I've seen folks asking for spares throughout the last week..

But considering that 80,000 people applied allegedly, if there are tickets on sale its another ticker office cock up....<hr></blockquote>

So basically you're saying that Liverpool 'fans' are cherry pickers and part timers....

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


I wouldn't have thought so.<hr></blockquote>

so who does that make the biggest glory hunters then davo?

united who sell out against lille or real madrid or liverpool who can only muster 30000 for a phase 1 champions league but can get "allegedly" 80000 enquires for a game against one of the biggest clubs in the world?

ChampionsElect · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


No I wouldn't of gone as I couldn't get time off work...

<hr></blockquote>

I bet you were gutted that they wouldn't give you any time of work though....

barca99 · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by ChampionsElect:


So basically you're saying that Liverpool 'fans' are cherry pickers and part timers....<hr></blockquote>

Surprised?

The London trains that come to and from Crewe on a saturday are always packed with Mickeys and Liverworld bags.

Do any scousers actually go to games anymore? (Everton fans excepted naturellment )

ChampionsElect · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


so who does that make the biggest glory hunters then davo?

united who sell out against lille or real madrid or liverpool who can only muster 30000 for a phase 1 champions league but can get "allegedly" 80000 enquires for a game against one of the biggest clubs in the world?<hr></blockquote>

Don't bother FA, Davo wouldn't understand. He goes to so few games, he couldn't even be characterised as a part-timer.... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


so who does that make the biggest glory hunters then davo?

united who sell out against lille or real madrid or liverpool who can only muster 30000 for a phase 1 champions league but can get "allegedly" 80000 enquires for a game against one of the biggest clubs in the world?<hr></blockquote>

Well FA, using this as a specific example it does appear that there's a lot of "cherry pickers" as is the term used here....

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by ChampionsElect:


I bet you were gutted that they wouldn't give you any time of work though....<hr></blockquote>

Eh?

I knew that I had no holiday left, so it didn't come as a knockout blow.....??

barca99 · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


The CL starts proper tonight...the crowds at the early games were poor but the competition was hardly inspiring...

<hr></blockquote>

Our opposition was dire. Lille, Deportivo and Olympiakos..... Snorepean matches indeed.

Good job then that I went to see United not the opposition

ChampionsElect · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by barca99:


Our opposition was dire. Lille, Deportiva and Olympiakos..... Snorepean matches indeed.

Good job then that I went to see United not the opposition <hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Quality

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


Well FA, using this as a specific example it does appear that there's a lot of "cherry pickers" as is the term used here....<hr></blockquote>

i thank you

Father Ted · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


so if you want to have a serious argument about it father ted.

1. united have had the best crowds for the last 30 years even when you were the better team. were they glory hunters then when we had not won the league for 26 years?

2. if united have 67000 fans for a champions league game and liverpool 30000 fans based upon a fair assumption that some of these fans are part-timers or glory hunters, how many diehards would you say would be in each stadium.<hr></blockquote>

I do not argue with the fact that UTD have had the best crowds, the point is you are criticising Liverpool fans tonight as being glory hunters because it is a big game.

Your increase in capacity over the last few years has coincided with your success, you will of course have your diehard fans who although I might give some stick to I respect as I do all genuine football fans.

As well as being succesful on the pitch Utd have also been extremely succesful off it in terms of marketing and promotong their team, even when you were not winning anything Utd were often the darlings of the media and were a name famous the world over.

These things all generate "glory hunters" and whether you like it or not they are associated with your team more than any other. Attitudes of people like Zoe ball are typical of a lot of your "glory hunting fans"
Christ, even your manager and captain have made public comments about "SOME" of the people who fill Old Trafford every week.

How many of the people who fill Old Trafford are people who go week in week out? Do you really believe that even before Fergie started winning things every year that a club as big and as famous as Utd didn't attract "glory Supporters".
Come on Really!!!

As far as the 30,000 crowds go, we are sold out for EVERY league game weel in advance we only get those sort of crowds against lesser teams in the cups so in reality I would say that the percentage of Glory supporters are quite low and i would expect most of them, but not all to be genuine fairly locally based fans, if you like, the hardcore.

I have said before that I accept that when big games come along we get the glory hunters, what i can't understand is why you feel the need to take the piss out of us because of it.

Have you really nothing better to argue with us about at the moment

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Father Ted:


what i can't understand is why you feel the need to take the piss out of us because of it.

<hr></blockquote>

Its because they can't take the piss out of us for being crap anymore...

They need to find summat..

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Father Ted:


I have said before that I accept that when big games come along we get the glory hunters, what i can't understand is why you feel the need to take the piss out of us because of it.

<hr></blockquote>

you cant understand why i feel the need to take the piss out of you

1. because thats all you try and do with us.

2. how many people go week in week out? as i understand we over 42000 season ticket and LMTB holders so i would expect them to, plus i know loads of members who cant afford a season ticket but go to every game.

3. you are sold out for every league game, so do leeds, arsenal, west ham, tottenham, ipswich etc. the real show of support is when it comes to a cup tie against the so-called lesser teams. as barca said i go to watch united play it seems liverpool fans as a whole dont.

as to this question which you didnt really answer

if united have 67000 fans for a champions league game and liverpool 30000 fans based upon a fair assumption that some of these fans are part-timers or glory hunters, how many diehards would you say would be in each stadium?

i assume that you would have to agree that united have more genuine fans.

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


i assume that you would have to agree that united have more genuine fans.<hr></blockquote>

If you've got all these hardcore genuine fans, then why do the likes of yourself and Barca constantly whinge about the part timers, gloryfans etc that "pollute" your ground?

Father Ted · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


you cant understand why i feel the need to take the piss out of you

1. because thats all you try and do with us.

2. how many people go week in week out? as i understand we over 42000 season ticket and LMTB holders so i would expect them to, plus i know loads of members who cant afford a season ticket but go to every game.

3. you are sold out for every league game, so do leeds, arsenal, west ham, tottenham, ipswich etc. the real show of support is when it comes to a cup tie against the so-called lesser teams. as barca said i go to watch united play it seems liverpool fans as a whole dont.

as to this question which you didnt really answer

if united have 67000 fans for a champions league game and liverpool 30000 fans based upon a fair assumption that some of these fans are part-timers or glory hunters, how many diehards would you say would be in each stadium?

i assume that you would have to agree that united have more genuine fans.<hr></blockquote>

I have never dissagreed with the fact that utd have a greater number of genuine fans, but by the same token that brings a greater number of Glory hunters as well.

You will have to argue this one on your own for now as I'm setting off for the game.

By the way I was at Dortmund, Kiev and Boavista so I am not a glory fan.

Are you going to wish us luck

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Father Ted:


Are you going to wish us luck

<hr></blockquote>

if you play football in the way it was meant to be played - good luck

if you dont - i hope you get stuffed.

barca99 · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Father Ted:

You will have to argue this one on your own for now as I'm setting off for the game.

By the way I was at Dortmund, Kiev and Boavista so I am not a glory fan.

Are you going to wish us luck

<hr></blockquote>

nah, I hope you get well and truly thrashed

Davo · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Father Ted:


I have never dissagreed with the fact that utd have a greater number of genuine fans, but by the same token that brings a greater number of Glory hunters as well.

<hr></blockquote>

Their genuine fans are just particularly quiet fans.....

Fergiesarmy · Nov 20, 2001

Originally posted by Davo:


Their genuine fans are just particularly quiet fans..... <hr></blockquote>

id prefer our atmosphere to yours anyday you sad part time only go to the big games twat

ie uefa cup final

Davo · Nov 21, 2001

Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:


id prefer our atmosphere to yours anyday you sad part time only go to the big games twat

ie uefa cup final<hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

said the quiet genuine Manc fan...

Red Pat · Nov 21, 2001

This squabbling is soooo pathetic.
I am surprised you bother with it davo!

if 80000 applied for the barcelona game

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