feck Mourinho, the guy stayed in a hotel for 2 1/2 years as if you needed anymore evidence that he was there just to collect a paycheck.
If Mourinho's authority and ideology were given more backing, would we be challenging?
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If my memory serves me right Mou wanted to add Maguire (CB), Perisic (LW), Willian (RW) in your team in the summer of 2018 after finished 2nd, and he also want to sell Pogba as well. He didn't get what he want and then his relationship with the board broke down that lead to his sacking. I don't believe he will sell Lukaku and Fellaini either. So my answer is yes, Man Utd will be more competitive if he stays and get the backing, but i am not sure about challenging the title as City and Liverpool set the bar very high.
You mean he was discarded by Conte as useless and got a loan (not transfer) to a team managed by a fellow Croat? Yeah, right bossing it.
He as a LW doesn't fit into Conte's 352 doesn't mean he is useless. Wilian hardly start last season in chelsea as well.
Because Mourinho himself wanted Shaw at Chelsea and when he couldn’t get him snided that we can’t compete with some other clubs that pay more for young players. So this blows your point out of the H2O
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Mourinho is past it. Football has changed a lot and his methods are not good enough to compete with Guardiola and Klopp. His last title with Chelsea came in a relatively poor period for the PL when the English teams couldn't compete in Europe.
Which does not justify the appointment of a a manager whose previous period in the PL ended with relegation.
Which does not justify the appointment of a a manager whose previous period in the PL ended with relegation.
On the other hand Politano who is RW is playing in Conte's system. Jose said he wanted Perisic to play as wing back and Conte who relies so much on wingbacks didn't think Perisic was good enough as wingback.
He wanted to sell Martial and replace him with Perisic which is a dumb idea any way you look at it. Mourinho wanted players who were ready to win that moment, he didn’t patience to build a team, grow a project. That’s why his recruits are now duds a year or two after they were brought on: Matic, Sanchez, Fred, Mkhi. Dalot, Lindelof were brought from the Portuguese league, which he supposedly knows very well, and they look nothing special. Zlatan was short-term and mostly crap (despite the antics and the amazing cool character). Pogba has been erm...
So his transfer record at United is poor. At Chelsea he discarded KDB and Mo Salah as not worthy of his patience. These are clearly super stars. Lukaku was also sold. At Real, it’s the club that gets the players, not the manager. At Inter it’s the same (his only request at the treble winning team was fecking Quaresma).
So maybe we have to separate the coach from the transfer guru, because he certainly does NOT shave an eye like say Arsenal Wenger.
Not to mention that they tried to sign a million other wingers before him.
He’s still doing very well for them. Or you prefer lingard and mata?
Just because you typed all that out, really does nothing of the sort.
Yes, it would be really good to win now. I'd like to have a manager to wants (and know how to) win now? You?
Honestly, this idea that it's bad to be able to compete with Newcastle in the PL!
Mourinho certainly won last season with United. West Ham, Tottenham, Brighton, Man City, Derby County, Valencia, Liverpool.... great wins.
Let me just remind everyone at this point that roughly a year ago, the majority of this forum were complicit in hounding out one of the most successful and greatest football managers of all time
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You're welcome. Should've done it after the Sevilla game press conference instead.
Would gladly do it again. Deserved to get sacked.
To be fair Manchester is only two hours from London which is where the family home is and where kids are settled in school etc., I know plenty of people from Manchester who work and stay over or commute to London so why not the other way round?!?!?!?!?
Good idea - hound a man out for telling some home truths
I like Ole (for the record) but you must absolutely love him because he talks a fantastic game. No bother if we get relegated because “we’re Man Utd” and “this is a special club”
Better than Rashford collecting a paycheck
One things for sure, re reading LVG quotes as well as Mourinhos comments, its clear none of the recent managers have had much control of transfers. The player shambles is on Ed, and both the previous managers would have done better.
"Telling the truth" is subjective. While Mourinho may believe that Man Utd have no heritage Ole could believe United is a special club. They could both be saying the truth from their own perspective. I believe that if you don't respect where you work, then why work there? Mourinho should have left for a club with heritage. He is unemployed because a club with true heritage wouldn't touch him.
Most likely Ole has to go, but doesn't mean Mourinho didn't absolutely deserve getting his grumpy face fired. If anything I will regret that Ole couldn't make it here, but not for a second I miss having Portuguese hoof ball specialist.
Getting dumped out of CL without even mustering up any urgency or effort and then coming out attacking the club's heritage has to be the lowest thing you can do as a manager.
I don't blame fans going against Jose but I do find it funny how some think in our case sacking managers would solve most of the problem.
What do his past achievements have to do with his then-current performance over 3 years? Nothing.
No it wouldnt, sacking Mouringo was the right call. We were playing atrocious football, defensive, slow and boring football. Even if we are in a worst shape right now doesnt change the fact that Mourinhos project was leading us no where near major titles.
Sacking him was the right call, appointing Ole was a terrible idea.
Sacking him was the right call, appointing Ole was a terrible idea.
wed be challenging for a title. alot of the medicore players would be fuc*ed out and wed have a proper man in our club who wants the best and knows how to win.
except we have woodward pulling all the shots and a club in freefall
except we have woodward pulling all the shots and a club in freefall
2nd and two trophies with this mob suggests the bloke still knows something about management
I don’t think Jose was saying we have no heritage, in the way a native English speaker understands heritage
I think Jose was trying to make the point that we’ve been making bad decisions for fifteen years and haven’t been a relevant club, on the biggest stage, for 6/7yrs.
I think he was also criticising the very apparent belief amongst Utd fans and Board members that we have a divine right to win trophies
Sacking him was the right call because he had given up at the start of the season. Was the real reason he gave up was because Ed couldn't be bothered with getting him the players he wanted?, Maybe there is some truth to that. Even if Ed had brought in all the players he wanted, we wouldn't be matching city/pool's tally, but we wouldn't be languishing in bottom half either.
It was not long ago he nearly got Chelsea relegated in his 3rd season. And Conte won the league the season after that with the same team. Mourinho's ability to make a club toxic is not a quality. His peak was winning the treble with Inter, since then he's gone downhill. We did not hire him in his prime and we were right to sack him. What we did wrong was to give Ole the job permanently.
agreed. Jose wasn’t at all saying we don’t have heritage. It was the translation that didn’t quite pan out. Jose was simply pointing out the pattern of how the club has under performed and the inheriting of the problems, lack of investments and underperformance of the recent years.
You're clutching at straws now.
Eto'o was almost 33 when Jose signed him at Chelsea. Jose is a defensive manager. He prioritises his defence more than any other part of his team to rely on some unproven rookies to win him a league title. He must have asked for seasoned veterans and Woodward must have vetoed it.
You want me to explain what first choice is?
Bit rich to post clutching at straws when all you did was that from post 1. Now will you deny Duncan Castles is Jose/Mendes mouthpiece?
Also amazing how he prioritises his defense more than any part but still played ex wingers as RB and LB all 2.5 seasons.
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What has Duncan Castles gotta do with Woodward signing cheap alternatives?
You think Jose would stand next to a player being unveiled and say "Sorry guys, this player wasn't my choice. I wanted Koulibaly but Woodward preferred Dalot". Even LVG never did such. However, after he was sacked - he revealed how incompetent Woodward was. Duncan Castles can only print what Jose tells him to protect the integrity of his employers.
I don't know why this is difficult for you to grasp.
If Mourinho's authority and ideology were given more backing, would we be challenging? - Yes!! Same with LVG also. The common factor here is Ed. Why appoint a manager if you want to implement someone else's ideologies? we knew what we were going to get with Jose. And we got what we expected, defensive football and two trophies along the way. Also the reason why Jose was sacked is because board didn't back him with players in his final season. so it's kind of a vicious circle
This is a moot point. The failure to back Mourinho is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. The problem is semi-detached and parasitic owners, without respect for the Club or any knowledge of the game. Therefore to have a board/CEO backing its managers means a Glazer-free board.
How would Mou do in that circumstance? Heaven knows. I suspect that at the start, before the full reality of the dysfunctional situation dawned, Jose was in a mood to reinvent himself. He wanted the job desperately, like Van Persie and indeed many of us, he bought into the romance.
The ‘new’ Jose would have been more open and expressive in both personal and in football terms. Leopard/Spots? And would it have lasted? Would he have reverted to his dour alter ego? Hmmm... If there are dual realities; in one he becomes a United legend. Unlikely, but not impossible. I have a Chelsea supporter friend who can say enough good things, still, about JM.
How would Mou do in that circumstance? Heaven knows. I suspect that at the start, before the full reality of the dysfunctional situation dawned, Jose was in a mood to reinvent himself. He wanted the job desperately, like Van Persie and indeed many of us, he bought into the romance.
The ‘new’ Jose would have been more open and expressive in both personal and in football terms. Leopard/Spots? And would it have lasted? Would he have reverted to his dour alter ego? Hmmm... If there are dual realities; in one he becomes a United legend. Unlikely, but not impossible. I have a Chelsea supporter friend who can say enough good things, still, about JM.
Jose fans are hilarious 
I think they'd forgive him for taking a dump on the half way line and setting fire to Stretford End. Bizarre.
I think they'd forgive him for taking a dump on the half way line and setting fire to Stretford End. Bizarre.
is Mourinho better equipped to run a Prem side than Ole? By about a measure of 50. As is LVG, Moyes, and SAF. If Matt Busby wasn’t dead, I’d include him, too.