So at least you agree that season on season teams change? So you can't just compare ppg across seasons?
Wrong. I rate Jose. And i don't rate Ole. Hate is strong word there.
FFS
Let me ask you this,
Well yeah, the strawman that I said a poster said that Ole shouldn't have been sacked...FFS
Where is the hostility, so I have to cry that you are hostile because you posted "Strawman" in couple of posts?
Nope, not in 2021-22.
Ole done a decent job at one point, as did Jose as did ETH. Holistically, all their tenures were failures.
So I asked you for a clarification that if @Leftback99 said Ole shouldn't be sacked and you called that strawman, then again called strawman and then questioned my comprehension skills but I'm the hostile one and you are the victim.
So all big talk and then chickened out?
Ah *at*
For me, trophy is a trophy. Of course that CL and PL are above others but every trophy counts. Why is Man Utd one of two biggest clubs in England ? Why is Real biggest club in the world? Because of number of trophies. Simple as that. So how to not rate someone who won everything and everywhere?
It wasn't me that began comparing tenures across seasons. But if you're going to do it, ppg is the objective first place to start than shots conceded
No - go back and look at what I've debated. You keep getting rattled by small points within an overarching argument, and forget what is being debated.
Maybe you didn't understand the question, let me ask again with relevant bits highlighted. From 2nd as a failure to rating, supporting manager who finished 6th and was fighting with Bournemouth in 6th or 7th position. After watching glorious SAF years where only first was considered as success and second as failure, how did you let your standards slip so low that you supported manager who finished 6th .
I wonder if things would have been different if Fergie had supported bringing Jose to the club right at the beginning. Being 3rd choice probably rankled. I think he would have jumped at it in the beginning. By the time he did come, the 'damage' was done and it was more of an uphill climb. If he'd followed Fergie, we might have seen the old Jose, and not the dour shadow of what he was. As it turned out, his results weren't bad, but the style of play was boring as feck. Ole's tenure exploded in his latter games, but surely no-one can deny that overall, we were more entertaining and more Fergie like with OGS. He seems especially good (as does Jose) now, because nothing has been as bad as this season, and regardless of winning a trophy last season, we weren't that great then either - grinding out results and rarely showing any dominance. This season, though, takes the biscuit for consistent dross. It's been a shambles from day one.
Correct, ppg is objective than shots conceded, likewise league position is at higher level than ppg?
Maybe not as hard to read.
I’ll support our manager next season in fairness if he wins us the league cup and Europa League double whilst losing only 5 in the league. (Our lowest since Fergie).
No, I proved just how fecking shite Ole is, because if this current shite manager out performs you, well…. You’re turd.
I'm not shifting shite. I'm not the one starting debates about Ole vs Ten Hag. Another poster did because theyre so fixated on Ole they cant help drive a shitty false narrative.
Aye, only one is claiming them all shite.
fecking hell, how can you argue that when one manager finished in better league position, much better undelying numbers and also completely ignore the cup runs, like the draws for the cup runs. On top of that make a weird claim that Ole finished 2nd only because it was closed stadium and then argue that other poster doesn't have sensible view on the matter. The lack of self awareness is staggering.
You are the only one who claimed them all shite? No shit sherlock, everyone did. Everyone called all 3 of them a failure.
Oh, here he is again.
Wow - it's astounding how poorly you've comprehended not just my posts, but 2-3 others here as well. You're having a mare today.
Ha ha, brilliant bit of gaslighting.
Or your inability to read posts.
Give it a rest fella, you’ve got yourself in a bizarre crusade here again against multiple posters and all just because you can’t just accept that Ole was absolutely terrible and a massive waste of the longest managerial stint since Fergie.
Lack awareness?
So tell me what was wrong there. Did you not make excuse for Ole's league position saying it was because of lack of crowd.
Again terrible waste of post because of your incapability to read post or see things beyond black or white.
It's that or, an absolutely appalling comprehension of what people are actually saying. I'm really not sure which it is.
Out of interest, how many shots did we concede when Ole got fired mid-season for being so awful?
His head has clearly gone, it’s like he’s in the middle of a pub throwing punches at everyone in sight and blaming them for forcing him to.
I don't have stats for that, someone should go game by game and tally up the stats.
Take a step back and think ffs.
I think what Ole acheived in year 2 was impressive, but there has to be context with empty stadiums attached to that, because there was a narrative of choking around his squad. Entering cups, reaching the semis or the finals and losing them. I think he generally was a terrible manager for instilling winning mentality and let standards slip massively in training. That very good year 2 was sandwiched between a poor debut season and a terrible final season, despite having half a season's head start before.
No standalone metric is good enough - generally comparing across seasons is dicey because injuries, other team situations and other external factors can affect it. That's why I wasn't the one who started the point. But for me its clear Ole is worse than Ten Hag because of all the things I've mentioned.
Ten Hag last season was very good. Ten Hag this season is terrible. Ole's final season was terrible. But Ole's final season did not have the concentrated injuries that our manager has. I think we'd be much, much worse if he was dealt with the same defensive problems.
