If its muscular, I wonder if its got to do with too many pre-season matches (other than for Malacia)?
Injury Crisis 2023/24 | Martínez and Casemiro back in training
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Injured/On Leave/Banished Lineup:
Sub:
Sancho (rather play with 9 players)
N/A:
Greenwood
Heaton
X - Varane - Shaw - Malacia
Mainoo Amrabat
Mount
Diallo - X - Antony
X - Varane - Shaw - Malacia
Mainoo Amrabat
Mount
Diallo - X - Antony
Sub:
Sancho (rather play with 9 players)
N/A:
Greenwood
that is afery well balanced team
In avengers infinity war, Dr Strange viewed over 14 million different multiverse situations. In only one of them Martial was fit
We didn’t play enough pre-season matches imo.
We looked seriously undercooked. With the injuries, possibly, having had fewer matches, players couldn’t ease themselves in.
We needed more of those local type of games that we ended up having behind closed doors after the season started and we needed to have them earlier in preseason so we could give everyone a steadily increasing amount of minutes and steadily increasing intensity.
I think we played 2 or 3 more pre-season matches than say Arsenal.
Could be true, I wouldn’t know. Pretty obviously our players didn’t have enough minutes under their belt come Match Day 1. With the number of players we were giving minutes to, more games would have been helpful imo.
Also behind door games, maybe we need a rethink, especially when there are international early in the season.
How many times a season do we have a fit squad?
Was it this bad when we were only travelling more locally for pre-season? I can't remember. It's all about the commercial side without regarding players welfare. They say the facilities are better and the heat if better, but those are not the conditions they will be playing in during the season.
There was a “news” story, if I recall correctly, that EtH and the staff were not too happy with the preseason schedule. Don’t know exactly why. Too much travel perhaps?
The problem is that quite a lot is supposed to be achieved in preseason. Tactical work, fitness and international marketing. Possibly the timing of games and the travel involved is an issue but it’s a relatively short time to cram everything in.
I don’t think any of the players had too many minutes in pre-season. Injury is more likely if they are not match fit and then have to cope with a leap in intensity when the first competitive game comes.
I think more games but perhaps more Manchester Utd XI (as opposed to <fanfare> THE Manchester United) games, against the likes of Rochdale, Oldham etc, would have allowed more minutes to more players on a schedule that brought them towards peak condition before the Wolves game. I suppose these trips abroad have to be done and get in the way somewhat.
Yeah all about selling the Utd brand abroad but clearly it's better for the players to not be jetting around on pre season. Also the amount of games last season has played a part too
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Now have an 11-man unavailable team. Heaton,Wan-Bissaka,Shaw, Varane,Malacia,Amrabat,Mainoo,Mount,Amad,Antony,Sancho and yes the latter two aren't injuries.
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It's honestly a decent team, assuming Martial keeps up his streak he'll be able to take his place in the line up soon enough.
Whats he got a splinter in his arse?
Joking aside this has got to be one of the worst injury crises in modern history. Certainly for United. It's bizarre. Suspicious even.
How is Martial still fit? Fate is laughing at us.
I'd bet it's related to last season's match load. Plus mixture of bad luck for the handful who weren't here (hojlund, amrabat, mount, Mainoo, amad). We played a shit ton last season (most in Europe), ten hag not the best at rotating, we were also the most affected by the world Cup.
The true comedy among this
It’s just to prove to the world we aren’t using PED’s.
But the guys who played the most games aren't the ones getting injured apart from Shaw.
I thought that and then remembered the time LvG lined up for a PL game with McNair, Varela and Borthwick-Jackson in the back 4
I dunno, match specific training and travel surely still has an impact for the squad guys?
Shaw and Varane played loads for club and country, Amrabat, hojlund, Mainoo and amad are unrelated to anything we do and more just bad luck, mount perhaps down to change in training methods, Wan Bissaka down to training methods or bad luck, Malacia bad luck as it happened in the off season I think, Maguire now who knows what.
He's in the last year of his contract. He will mysteriously be a lot more available this season.
Maybe he'll mysteriously find his 2019/20 form where he scored 23 goals that season.
Maguire isn’t injured, he is being protected.
When will these players be fit enough to return to the team
Varane
Amrabat
Mainoo
Shaw
Malacia
AWB
Mount
Amad
Varane
Amrabat
Mainoo
Shaw
Malacia
AWB
Mount
Amad
Varane and Mount this weekend.
Mainoo maybe 2 weeks. Hopefully also Amrabat.
Amad maybe 4 weeks.
AWB, Shaw and Malacia 7-8 weeks.
If we can get his wages down and keep him as an impact sub or Rashy rotation then I'd not mind seeing him get a renewal. Our manager rates his impact ability from the bench and if he can stay fit this season then might be a good choice to keep him around the club. Not on his current wage level though, so that's going to have to come down for sure. But if he can get some sort of form and stay fit, then might be worth a gamble imo.
Martinez out today.
If you want to see the extent of the damage injuries are doing to us, just look at that starting XI versus Burnley. Yikes.
If you want to see the extent of the damage injuries are doing to us, just look at that starting XI versus Burnley. Yikes.
Six defenders out or not ready to start, including the whole first choice back four. I'm sure there's loads of great banter about Jonny Evans starting games for Man Utd in 2023, but that's one of the worst defensive injury crises you'll ever see, and nobody other than City could cobble together a better backline than that under the circumstances.
Actually not even sure what the feck they'd do if all of Stones, Akanji, Ake, Gvadiol, Walker, Dias were all out at the same time.
All concentrated on the defenders at the moment too.
And people wonder why we've conceded so many goals this season!
Our pre seasons have been shambolic for some time now.
Injured/Not fit to start/Banished/Scum:
Wan Bissaka - Varane/Maguire - Martinez - Shaw/Malacia
Mainoo - Amrabat
Mount
Sancho/Anthony - Greenwood - Diallo
It's been a rough start...Mainoo - Amrabat
Mount
Sancho/Anthony - Greenwood - Diallo
At some point it's not just "bad luck" is it?
Maybe it's time to look at everything that could contribute to it. Preseason, Training, recovery, nutrition, the medics, the quality of staff overseeing these departments.
Ultimately in any job you're judged on results and we're not getting them as far as keeping players fit and we will have numerous people who's job is to contribute to that. I'd like to think we should be holding people accountable.
Maybe it's time to look at everything that could contribute to it. Preseason, Training, recovery, nutrition, the medics, the quality of staff overseeing these departments.
Ultimately in any job you're judged on results and we're not getting them as far as keeping players fit and we will have numerous people who's job is to contribute to that. I'd like to think we should be holding people accountable.
Maybe they're being asked to press more and can't handle the regime. Happened with Klopp.
It's definitely not bad luck. Our fitness overall is shit, even the players who haven't been injured look absolutely gassed.
Reguilon muscle injury added to the list now. What the feck
This is a joke. What is even going on? This can't be just bad luck, I'm sorry.