Argentina back on the field now.
Internationals November (Euro Qualifiers)
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Aaand now the game kicks off
Least violent CONMEBOL match
Least violent CONMEBOL match
Argentina scored despite Brazil controlling the whole game (though not creating much).
It would be the first time they lost a WC qualifying game in Brazil if the game ends like this, and 2nd loss in Maracana since that WC 1950 final loss to Uruguay (the first loss was again against Argentina in 2021 Copa final).
It would be the first time they lost a WC qualifying game in Brazil if the game ends like this, and 2nd loss in Maracana since that WC 1950 final loss to Uruguay (the first loss was again against Argentina in 2021 Copa final).
It should have been a tie, it was more like first half for Brasil, second for us, but neither playing great, too nasty, too cautious, excessive fouls and acting and a really bad atmosphere.
I dunno what happens with the Brazilian police, but they live in 1960's Libertadores mood, they never protect the rival's fans, nor in the pitch, nor outside of it.
Something has to be made. It's not the crowds "fault", because crazy and over the top or even drunk fans to actual hooligans would be involved on every football match, specially derbies, clasicos and such all over the world...but it's a constant to see the Brazilian police acting like local fan base almost never preventing and when reacting they do it in full crazy mode.
Brazil controlled the whole game. Argentina did nothing. But they scored from a set piece. Brazil didn’t create much except a glorious chance for Martinelli. The play acting from De Paul was something else tonight. fecking nasty horrible player that one.
It was a very boring game tbh, reminded of the first half of Argentina vs Mexico in the WC. Hope Argentina finds back their rhythm going to Copa.
Yeah, saw some videos on Twitter, the police was too cruel towards Argentine fans with some seemingly having serious injuries. One would expect they would have learnt from the events before that Copa Libertadores final between Fluminense and Boca.
Brazilians say their cops treat them the same way in the local leagues, but not sure as I am not closely following the Brazilian League. Some say this is specifically about Rio cops, and they are quite bad, bunch of thugs etc. They have even beaten up even the fans that came to watch Taylor Swift's Rio concert all the way from Colombia.
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Man, they were locals, they need a lot more the win than us, they had to be protagonist but your talking like if they had sthg like 70% of posesion.
Yeap De Paul made a meal about everything, but he was also unnecesarily cut too many times and once you've been actually hit (the first one) he tried (excessivly for me) to force the hand of the ref on every fecking ocassion, yet this clasicos tend to be over the top since the beggining of time and the game was already in a very bad mood with what (again) happened in the stands.
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It has been like this since ages and in recent times that the whole "typical Libertadores vibe" almost only happens in the field between players, but with Brazilian Cops involve for some reason tend to also happen in the stands and in the city itself, the prior Eliminatories was also a mess, every Libertadores match, it's just happening too frequently.
Brazilian Cops area a handful, that's why I do not blame the fans, among fans there will always be hoolygans or mainly people overreacting in a match, they just act like fecking "fans" with a badge and thsi happens also in the Brazilian League itself, if you are From Sao Paulo ina classic in Rio, good luck, the same if being a Carioca Club fan in Sao Paulo. And it's bizarre to this point because Brazil has the resources, has the money to prevent this kind of stuff or be more prepare, but it's like "hey let them feel what is to be outsiders" in a very 60/70s vibe.
The red card on Joelinton 
twitter.com/DiegoConstanzo/status/1727156409832456643
twitter.com/DiegoConstanzo/status/1727156409832456643
How does that get past VAR?The red card on Joelinton
twitter.com/DiegoConstanzo/status/1727156409832456643
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1727146552295366725?s=20
Jesus Christ. Brazilian fan gets hold of cop's baton and kicks Argentinians.
So glad Argentina won.
Jesus Christ. Brazilian fan gets hold of cop's baton and kicks Argentinians.
So glad Argentina won.
Brazil going to feck around and miss the World Cup
There seems to be quite a decline in quality for a lot historically top teams, isn't there? Germany is the obvious one, but I don't know how Brazil went from the likes of Roberto Carlos, Cafú, Dani Alves and Marcelo to the two blokes that were playing fullback yesterday.
On another note, what is it with Messi grabbing people around the necks like that? Imagine almost any other playing doing that, they'd get carded for sure.
On another note, what is it with Messi grabbing people around the necks like that? Imagine almost any other playing doing that, they'd get carded for sure.
Yeah, we have several good and a few great players, but for some positions there's just nobody (at least nobody who gets called up and put on the pitch). Thus, endless tinkering with increasingly insane formations and tactics plus abysmal results. We'd probably be better off playing a U21 team with a working, balanced lineup, but we just have to field the big names playing in the big leagues, with no regard for whether you can form a sensible team with them.
I don't know about that. Regarding strikers, Nagelsmann has even tried out rather mediocre players such as Behrens and Ducksch. Even Füllkrug isn't particularly good. He tried out Müller once but that's it. Then you could maybe argue that he tried Kimmich alongside Gündogan with no proper CDM against Turkey but that was one game and since Gündogan and Kimmich are Germany's two best CMs, I think he should be allowed to try them out at least once.
The only real experiment was Havertz as an LWB. And personally, I like this idea, at least with Tah as the RB. You could even argue that it is a better fit than Gosens or Raum since the top teams these days seem to prefer "inverted fullbacks" who take care of the midfield in possession over the "classic" touchline hugging wing backs providing width such as Gosens and Raum.
To clarify, i'm not speaking of Nagelsmann alone here, but also how things were at the end with Hansi.
This is the same group from Euro 2008 if I'm not mistaking. When Dutch won all the games and France was really bad. Italy was so so lucky to qualify and not lose against Romania.France
Romania
Netherland
Italy
Some of the teams through to the Euro 2024 play-offs are incredibly weak - like Estonia who didn't win a single match in qualifying - due to their performance in the Nations League (although the logic Uefa are employing completely escapes me).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67496369
We have an absurd situation in qualifying group J where five of the six teams could end up qualifying for the finals, despite it being one of the weakest. Just seems like Uefa cynically want to give undue weight to the Nations League to increase the value of the games they can make money from.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67496369
We have an absurd situation in qualifying group J where five of the six teams could end up qualifying for the finals, despite it being one of the weakest. Just seems like Uefa cynically want to give undue weight to the Nations League to increase the value of the games they can make money from.
I am directly involved with the healthcare coverage of events in Rio (Rock in Rio, Coldplay, Taylor Swift, international and domestic football, Carnival, etc).
We rarely have significant inconvenients and the main ones have typically been with football and Argentinian supporters (not just the final but also Racing earlier this year). I'm not saying they are the problem but there's a minority who definitely are and with the military police it's like showing a red rag to a bull.
It's not such a common occurrence with domestic football, but when it happens, the intervention is very similar in nature be it in Rio, Sao Paulo or elsewhere. The military police are either just policing or going berserk, there's no middle ground.
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Destined to play for us with a name like thatWhen it comes to de Paul, we are all Man Utd Ugarte
UEFA have been scrambling about to give the Nations League relevance since it was introduced, and even changed the format after the first iteration, rendering the promotion/relegation system effectively pointless that time around.
However, it's not just the Nations League responsible for the lack of quality in the play-offs, but the expansion to 24 teams, although play-off quality would likely be higher if it were third placed teams in the play-offs, rather than random Nations League results deciding who got there.
Estonia have made the play-offs because they were able to beat San Marino and Malta home and away.
If you mean the white tshirt guy with Bepe inscription in blue that's not a fan, he is military police.
Agree it was good they won. In fact, considering mentality from both sides it would be a terrible idea if the motive is intimidation/affecting the game, but that's not it, they are just fecking animals. A few rile them up and they take it out on the entire bunch, guilty by association.
feckin' autocorrect for M.a.n.uWhole this Argentina team is something else. They are like Atletico Madrid. They enjoy in being hated. In truth they do make oppos nervous which makes them hard to play against.
They heavily depend on the referee not doing their job. Coincidentally all the refs fall for their antics.. wonder why
Top 6 go through, 7th in play off v Tahiti or someone like that so no serious danger.
Would be really interesting if it was just top 4 going through as all of Argentina, Uruguay and Colombia well clear of Brazil and Ecuador ahead despite starting on -3!
Brazil would've got in Ancelotti earlier if they'd been less qualifiers imo. Can't understand them not starting Douglas Luiz last night given his form for us this season. Their full back and CB options are very average aswell.
They're where Argentina were in 2015-16.
That Brazil have lost a home qualification match for the first time since 1954 is a amazing stat.
Spain losing never is even more amazing.
It will be New Zealand, they are by far the best team in Oceanian qualifying
First time ever.
Although you also have to remember CONMEBOL qualis weren't always a double round-robin affair. Up until the 90s you were only playing one or two home games, and there were quite a few WCs that Brazil automatically qualified for as defending champions. So it's one of those statistics that sounds more impressive than it actually is, like "Man Utd haven't lost to (side that hasn't played in the top flight in 100 years) since 1910".
Yeah i know....but it is 51 wins and 13 draws against 3-4 quality sides.
Man Utd haven't lost to (side that hasn't played in the top flight in 100 years) since 1910" ==>> Yep that is always funny
Terrible scenes, fans are raising their arms and backing up yet the police is beating them.
Suppose it's helpful when the referees are on your side.
While Argentinean fans are no angels, the heavy handed approach of Brazilian police is legendary.
Oceania get automatic berth now so basically a bye for New Zealand every time. Genuinely wouldn't even know who's the second strongest side behind them in that confederation.
That is a free pass for NZ there. Those are some poor sides there
American Samoa
Cook Islands
Fiji
New Caledonia
New Zealand
Papua New Guinea
Samoa
Solomon Islands
Tahiti
Tonga
Vanuatu
EURO 2024 play-off draw:
Semi-finals – Path A: Poland vs Estonia, Wales vs Finland
Semi-finals – Path B: Israel vs Iceland, Bosnia-Herzegovina vs Ukraine
Semi-finals – Path C: Georgia vs Luxembourg, Greece vs Kazakhstan
Final – Path A: Wales/Finland vs Poland/Estonia
Final – Path B: Bosnia-Herzegovina/Ukraine vs Israel/Iceland
Final – Path C: Georgia/Luxembourg vs Greece/Kazakhstan
Semi-finals – Path A: Poland vs Estonia, Wales vs Finland
Semi-finals – Path B: Israel vs Iceland, Bosnia-Herzegovina vs Ukraine
Semi-finals – Path C: Georgia vs Luxembourg, Greece vs Kazakhstan
Final – Path A: Wales/Finland vs Poland/Estonia
Final – Path B: Bosnia-Herzegovina/Ukraine vs Israel/Iceland
Final – Path C: Georgia/Luxembourg vs Greece/Kazakhstan
Great draw for Ukraine to dodge Path A. A would be a 2 game challenge but B is pretty much a freebie for them.