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Argentina back on the field now.
Holland 5-0 up against Gibralter and somehow Weghorst hasnt scored any of them despite starting in the middle of their front 3.
Argentina scored despite Brazil controlling the whole game (though not creating much).
It would be the first time they lost a WC qualifying game in Brazil if the game ends like this, and 2nd loss in Maracana since that WC 1950 final loss to Uruguay (the first loss was again against Argentina in 2021 Copa final).
It should have been a tie, it was more like first half for Brasil, second for us, but neither playing great, too nasty, too cautious, excessive fouls and acting and a really bad atmosphere.
I dunno what happens with the Brazilian police, but they live in 1960's Libertadores mood, they never protect the rival's fans, nor in the pitch, nor outside of it.
Something has to be made. It's not the crowds "fault", because crazy and over the top or even drunk fans to actual hooligans would be involved on every football match, specially derbies, clasicos and such all over the world...but it's a constant to see the Brazilian police acting like local fan base almost never preventing and when reacting they do it in full crazy mode.
It was a very boring game tbh, reminded of the first half of Argentina vs Mexico in the WC. Hope Argentina finds back their rhythm going to Copa.It should have been a tie, it was more like first half for Brasil, second for us, but neither playing great, too nasty, too cautious, excessive fouls and acting and a really bad atmosphere.
Yeah, saw some videos on Twitter, the police was too cruel towards Argentine fans with some seemingly having serious injuries. One would expect they would have learnt from the events before that Copa Libertadores final between Fluminense and Boca.I dunno what happens with the Brazilian police, but they live in 1960's Libertadores mood, they never protect the rival's fans, nor in the pitch, nor outside of it.
Something has to be made. It's not the crowds "fault", because crazy and over the top or even drunk fans to actual hooligans would be involved on every football match, specially derbies, clasicos and such all over the world...but it's a constant to see the Brazilian police acting like local fan base almost never preventing and when reacting they do it in full crazy mode.
Brazil controlled the whole game. Argentina did nothing. But they scored from a set piece. Brazil didn’t create much except a glorious chance for Martinelli. The play acting from De Paul was something else tonight. fecking nasty horrible player that one.
It was a very boring game tbh, reminded of the first half of Argentina vs Mexico in the WC. Hope Argentina finds back their rhythm going to Copa.
Yeah, saw some videos on Twitter, the police was too cruel towards Argentine fans with some seemingly having serious injuries. One would expect they would have learnt from the events before that Copa Libertadores final between Fluminense and Boca.
Brazilians say their cops treat them the same way in the local leagues, but not sure as I am not closely following the Brazilian League. Some say this is specifically about Rio cops, and they are quite bad, bunch of thugs etc. They have even beaten up even the fans that came to watch Taylor Swift's Rio concert all the way from Colombia.
How does that get past VAR?The red card on Joelinton
twitter.com/DiegoConstanzo/status/1727156409832456643
Yeah, we have several good and a few great players, but for some positions there's just nobody (at least nobody who gets called up and put on the pitch). Thus, endless tinkering with increasingly insane formations and tactics plus abysmal results. We'd probably be better off playing a U21 team with a working, balanced lineup, but we just have to field the big names playing in the big leagues, with no regard for whether you can form a sensible team with them.What the feck is wrong with Germany? On paper they arent that bad are they?
Yeah, we have several good and a few great players, but for some positions there's just nobody (at least nobody who gets called up and put on the pitch). Thus, endless tinkering with increasingly insane formations and tactics plus abysmal results. We'd probably be better off playing a U21 team with a working, balanced lineup, but we just have to field the big names playing in the big leagues, with no regard for whether you can form a sensible team with them.
To clarify, i'm not speaking of Nagelsmann alone here, but also how things were at the end with Hansi.I don't know about that. Regarding strikers, Nagelsmann has even tried out rather mediocre players such as Behrens and Ducksch. Even Füllkrug isn't particularly good. He tried out Müller once but that's it. Then you could maybe argue that he tried Kimmich alongside Gündogan with no proper CDM against Turkey but that was one game and since Gündogan and Kimmich are Germany's two best CMs, I think he should be allowed to try them out at least once.
The only real experiment was Havertz as an LWB. And personally, I like this idea, at least with Tah as the RB. You could even argue that it is a better fit than Gosens or Raum since the top teams these days seem to prefer "inverted fullbacks" who take care of the midfield in possession over the "classic" touchline hugging wing backs providing width such as Gosens and Raum.
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I am directly involved with the healthcare coverage of events in Rio (Rock in Rio, Coldplay, Taylor Swift, international and domestic football, Carnival, etc).Brazilians say their cops treat them the same way in the local leagues, but not sure as I am not closely following the Brazilian League. Some say this is specifically about Rio cops, and they are quite bad, bunch of thugs etc. They have even beaten up even the fans that came to watch Taylor Swift's Rio concert all the way from Colombia.
When it comes to de Paul, we are all Manuel UgarteThe play acting from De Paul was something else tonight. fecking nasty horrible player that one.
Destined to play for us with a name like thatWhen it comes to de Paul, we are all Man Utd Ugarte
Some of the teams through to the Euro 2024 play-offs are incredibly weak - like Estonia who didn't win a single match in qualifying - due to their performance in the Nations League (although the logic Uefa are employing completely escapes me).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67496369
We have an absurd situation in qualifying group J where five of the six teams could end up qualifying for the finals, despite it being one of the weakest. Just seems like Uefa cynically want to give undue weight to the Nations League to increase the value of the games they can make money from.
If you mean the white tshirt guy with Bepe inscription in blue that's not a fan, he is military police.https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1727146552295366725?s=20
Jesus Christ. Brazilian fan gets hold of cop's baton and kicks Argentinians.
So glad Argentina won.
feckin' autocorrect for M.a.n.uDestined to play for us with a name like that
Whole this Argentina team is something else. They are like Atletico Madrid. They enjoy in being hated. In truth they do make oppos nervous which makes them hard to play against.Brazil controlled the whole game. Argentina did nothing. But they scored from a set piece. Brazil didn’t create much except a glorious chance for Martinelli. The play acting from De Paul was something else tonight. fecking nasty horrible player that one.
Whole this Argentina team is something else. They are like Atletico Madrid. They enjoy in being hated. In truth they do make oppos nervous which makes them hard to play against.
Brazil going to feck around and miss the World Cup
Spain losing never is even more amazing.That Brazil have lost a home qualification match for the first time since 1954 is a amazing stat.
Top 6 go through, 7th in play off v Tahiti or someone like that so no serious danger.
First time ever.That Brazil have lost a home qualification match for the first time since 1954 is a amazing stat.
Yeah i know....but it is 51 wins and 13 draws against 3-4 quality sides.First time ever.
Although you also have to remember CONMEBOL qualis weren't always a double round-robin affair. Up until the 90s you were only playing one or two home games, and there were quite a few WCs that Brazil automatically qualified for as defending champions. So it's one of those statistics that sounds more impressive than it actually is, like "Man Utd haven't lost to (side that hasn't played in the top flight in 100 years) since 1910".
Terrible scenes, fans are raising their arms and backing up yet the police is beating them.If you mean the white tshirt guy with Bepe inscription in blue that's not a fan, he is military police.
Agree it was good they won. In fact, considering mentality from both sides it would be a terrible idea if the motive is intimidation/affecting the game, but that's not it, they are just fecking animals. A few rile them up and they take it out on the entire bunch, guilty by association.
Spain losing never is even more amazing.
While Argentinean fans are no angels, the heavy handed approach of Brazilian police is legendary.Terrible scenes, fans are raising their arms and backing up yet the police is beating them.
It will be New Zealand, they are by far the best team in Oceanian qualifying
That is a free pass for NZ there. Those are some poor sides thereOceania get automatic berth now so basically a bye for New Zealand every time. Genuinely wouldn't even know who's the second strongest side behind them in that confederation.