Or more likely becuase he's been trash and doesn't deserve to start.
I don't buy the idea Shaw liking a post against a manager who had publicly belittled him and Pogba's media team giving a bit out to Jose is exactly the same as the likes of Lukaku, Sanchez and Matic moaning now they're out of favour here, at least in the eyes of fans. That's two players we'd like to see starting matches for us this year angry at their treatment at the hands of a manager many of us were happy to see the back of versus two who have regressed alarmingly and one who couldn't get his conditioning right wondering aloud why they found themselves out of the team. Your points about the club's actions and Lukaku's mentioning of divisions in our dressing room are well-made, I doubt anyone could argue everything's been ideal at the club recently, but it's only natural fans would in the end be more accepting of dissent from the likes of Pogba, Shaw and Martial than Lukaku, Sanchez and Matic; different circumstances, different expectations as to our hopes for them this season.
So I guess players should all start talking to the press. Also he's not a dead man walking, to say everybody knows that is a bit silly too.
Been avoiding the football forum tbh. Everything is just depressing.
Well, there is. He's an option from the bench, granted not a great one. Or if one of McTominay or Pogba gets injured. We can't just sell all of our players without replacing them.
Then our fans should also not moan if/when these players decide to sit on their fat contracts and show little to no progress throughout their careers or if/when these players openly discuss on social media their desire to move to better places. In my opinion double standards, whatever the circumstances and whoever the people involved, will always create more problems than the ones they will solve.
I disagree. I'd rather Fred was given a chance, or play more with a diamond shape. I think he offers absolutely feck all when he does play (I don't even mean from a stats POV, just in general he does nothing that helps the team) and while I was all for his signing a few years ago, we should be getting rid. Get it done in January and buy a replacement.
Buying a replacement being the key part there. At the minute he has a purpose in the squad. We actually played better after his introduction on the weekend since it allowed Pogba to push up a bit further, although I think the team pushing up as a whole was what played the biggest part in us looking more threatening after Southampton scored.
Understood. It is right that any soundings off from inside the camp are unwelcome, and that the club and fans tolerating them from some while not from others (when nobody is pulling up trees) is asking for trouble later on. However I've got no comments to make on how the club and the fans should ideally react to player dissent, I'm talking about the reality of the situation from the perspective of United fans. Pogba's conduct has caused hot debate, with points being made for and against on Pogba v Jose and his place in the team going forward, Shaw we have doubts over but we're largely happy with as our LB going forward and Martial is our best number nine. I wouldn't say any of them have had a completely free pass, not least Pogba who has been bagged online, in the media and at OT itself, but most fans can see their value if we are to avoid complete disaster on the pitch this year so what happened largely under Jose's tenure has been parked despite them struggling in our first team.
The comments he made aren't bad in isolation. The stuff he liked on top of it, to me makes him someone we should get rid of as soon as possible.
I hear you. These three are more vocal now because they know that their time at United was/is up and they try to big up themselves in their search for new employers. I also understand why our fanbase will be more lenient towards Martial, Pogba and several others. But when a club is a mess like the one we're in at the moment, this is a very thin line to tread by the fans.
A like on Instagram could easily be a mistake though. That said, Matic is over the hill and not needed regardless.
Could easily be a mistake to like something completely unrelated to his situation at the club or his stance. I find any excuse that "it was an accident" surrounding a players future or stance to be extremely unlikely at any club, to the point where I ignore that possibility.
Maybe, maybe not. With all due respect I think you are wearing your Noggie glasses here
Another mentally weak player who would rather run their mouth than prove how good they are with their performances. Them two are not the first man united players to get benched. Difference is that most get their head down and work hard
Not even the best example but compare this to players like Martial when benched. His attitude was questioned but that guy just kept working and won his place back. And then we have players who are praised for their mentality, who couldn't wait to cry in the media when benched.
It's ok though, players don't respect Ole and knows he is dead man walking
Actually that's exactly what I was thinking.
Really was a comical decision but even more comical was not replacing him last window.
Too true. Perhaps these donkeys were led by Jose to believe the dross they were serving up every week was good enough. Seriously skewed their perception of what it takes to be a United player. I can't believe this guy and Lukaku sometimes. This is nothing compared to what the other players endured
He definitely shouldn't. What exactly would he bring to our side and when did he show that in pre-season?
