He is but I’m sure the point has already been made. If he went to Spain on the same huge deal he’d have been ran by now. Ditto Italy. This is what happens when players at the top don’t deliver.
Is Paul Pogba being bullied and harassed on TV
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
True, but Spanish press can be ruthless too. I think as a player the stick he would get from the Real fans would hurt more. Our match going fans are very supportive. We've seen Ronaldo get stick from Real fans, he basically scored a goal a game for 9 yrs for them. Can be a tough crowd esp if you're not one of their own
Another Pogba thread admins??
Nahhh mate. They have been on his case, as have a huge amount of fans, a LOT longer than that.
When you put his figures in black and white compared to other players in the squad since he’s been here he is by far our best player.
When you consider the last sentence think about how many other clubs vilify their best player every week.
Now there’s an argument to say he’s been underwhelming in his time here and to some extent I would agree, however I feel the reasons for people’s over the top hate and negativity towards Pogba are quite obvious really:
Race
Young
Gifted
Brash
Loaded
In any particular order, then add a pinch of mediocre performances as a reason to slate him and here we are.
When you have your overall best performing player getting hammered constantly it boils down to more than simply poor performances I’m afraid.
Usually Jealousy and Prejudice
I appreciate your point, but the thing is - Pretty much every player that he's played with gets on really well with Pogba... Conte loves Pogba, Zidane loves Pogba, Evra loves Pogba, his French teammates respect him and listen to him as a leader...
Maybe it's the British footy old-boys that are the dicks...?
Gary Neville is a prickly character that increasing amounts of United fans can't stand / don't trust, Roy Keane - if we're honest - is quite possibly mentally ill, his history is literally full of conflict and endless drama, including with SAF, who can't stand him, and Souness is an utter twat. Maybe it's them that have the problem?
This John Barnes...?
BBC - John Barnes blasts Luis Suarez 'witch hunt'
Excellent, cheers for that.
You have given us examples that he himself has not done. How is that him causing trouble?
The only trouble he caused was for himself when he tried to fulfill his dream of being succesful here. He should have never bothered.
You seriously don't think that any of that noise originates from him?
He didn't bother being successful here. He is still not actually bothering.
Can you please prove that he is creating the noise? Whats the point in assuming falsely?
Jesus. State of this.
Come on, at least try and pull out a quote from his past of where he sounds like hes slating us and causing trouble?
Pogba is like one of the worst things happened with this club in last 7 years. All that Sir Alex stood for, no matter how big the player is, Beckhan, Keane or the best Prodigee in the world Pogba, the moment he disrespects the club, he is off. In Pogba's case he has one of the most crocked agents in the world. the guy himself on numerous occasions disrespected the club and put it at ransom. I knew race cards will be out in this thread, they need to ask themselves, why such things have never been said about players like Yorke, Cole, Viera? I remeber Sir Alex saying to Ronaldo to get a proper haircut and act like a man united player. Imagine that being said today to a black player. The whole PC world would be up in arms.
I think the criticism directed at Pogba is more than fair. His output and attitude at the club has been atrocious for a player of his wages and "stature".
What? There are innumerable ways to bully someone.
It has been established - it seems - that he is a nuisance, a "virus" and so forth. Meanwhile, his current manager doesn't have a problem with him and calls him a professional, a good guy, etc. And he does this in spite of the obvious fact that Pogba wanted to leave last summer.
Pundits aren't neutral and "honest" observers - they're paid to take up stances that generate controversy and clicks. And - yes - some of them are perhaps genuinely stuck in a certain mindset - which can then be exploited by those who hire them to the same end (i.e. generating controversy and clicks).
We don't know what happens off camera, of course - but we do know that the only manager who has pushed anything like a "Pogba is unprofessional" angle is infamous for falling out with people, and a grade A cnut in his own right.
Rhymes with Toon & begins with a C.
He is quite literally the last black man I want representing me as a black man publicly.
He’d make my blood boil if his attempts to gain favour weren’t so obvious.
Your argument is that his brother and agent are slating United without his permission? Really?
You're either genuinely naiive, or a lost fanboy cause.
And that manager seems to be falling out with players at his new club now.
Why do you put race first?
United team is full of black players, to be racist and support united now would be like the KKK going to watch the Jackson Five every Saturday. It’s become the easy argument, everyone is loving Rashford this season? We have so many players that are legends that are black why would be suddenly racist against just Pogba. It’s absurd and lazy argument especially in this day and when the fan base is younger and the most tolerant generation in history.
He ain’t that young anymore, and I don’t hate him for being gifted, wouldn’t begrudge his money if he actually earned it from united (he was already wealthy from Juve) so it’s not that and brash well that’s the way of all “stars” these day.
I hate him for the circus he’s brought to this club without justifying the diva status of wanting to go home in his rolls instead of going home with the team type situations and his family and agent constantly talking crap about the club that pays him £15m a year basic.
I hate to say this, but he seems like those old timers who dissmiss your complaints because you "didn't have it tough like me".
Yes.
The worst part is our fanbase has sided with the bullying and harrasment too.
The worst part is our fanbase has sided with the bullying and harrasment too.
It’s not the ‘PC world’ that is making this point. I understand however that some people enjoy hurting others and calling them names they find offensive. Without resistance to this sort of thing, Pogba would still be getting called a ‘n*****’ and a ‘black cnut’.
If you think that the vitriol toward the man is not connected to his being black, French and a bit hip hop, in this post-brexit climate where violence toward minorities has increased ( read the stats) and vicious language legitimated, I would suggest respectfully that you don’t know what you’re talking about. The lack of any actual evidence as to how exactly Paul is so bad for the club would point in the same direction.
He was being attacked by the media and pundits long before the people around him started saying he should leave. And he only wanted to leave after years of taking that abuse combined with us massively under-performing on the field (and him being the main person blamed for that despite being by far our best player most of the time).
90% of the people who talk about the comments from his agent and brother (plus the two times I remember that Pogba himself has indicated it) would have also wanted to leave if they were treated the same way.
It’s literally the dumbest set of arguments a man can muster.
“they don’t throw bananas at you so you’re privileged.”
He sets the conversation back every time he utters a word, the man is beyond ridiculous.
Actually never heard him, his family or agent say the reason he wants to leave is because united base and media are massively abusive towards him. This is beginning to look snowflakes being offended on his behalf for him.
As for wanting to leave united because of a few keyboard warriors, if it was me I would be laughing my balls off at any of them.
I could not agree more.
I'd say pundits hear much more than any of us about apparent antics.
Of course the on-field stuff is by far the biggest reason. I guess you could say it is the only reason as I'm sure he'd deal with it if we were performing well. As it is it's just the cherry on top.
I'd say teammates and managers would know a hell of a lot more, and Mourinho is literally the only one who has ever had a problem with him. The man who falls out with every set of players that he manages, and the one time he deliberately took it public was proven to be in the wrong.
The pundits are just like us. A circle jerk who hear stories (true or false), make up their minds and are then too proud to think that they might be wrong so double-down. They then feed on each other and it's just gets worse and worse.
Jesus could you imagine him coping with the death threats and abuse beckham took from opposition fans then? I don’t even believe he watches us play anymore never mind staying tuned into the pundits jibber jabber.
Can't quite believe a couple of comments about John Barnes in this thread. He was one of the best players in Europe in the late Eighties but didn't get recognition as English teams were banned from European competitions at that time. Had he got the coverage he deserved he would now be considered a great.
I said in no particular order, but if you are arguing race has absolutely ZERO to do with it then that’s naive in the extreme my friend.
Usually I would agree totally your point of it being a lazy argument but I don’t agree in this particular case.
It’s not race for a lot I agree but certainly for a large amount.
He hasn’t brought any circus, many have a very high opinion of him and are adamant he is not a bad influence in any way. The agent noise and brothers comments came a long time after all the negativity towards him started.
Ironic though that you finish on a point about how much he earns at United
Guy needs to leave this club. I want him to be successful.
Every young player that ever speaks about him emphasises how inspirational and helpful he is, including those at other clubs, like Martinelli, but somehow Adam Lallana, known for attacking kids at U23 games, is a better role model than devout Muslim, non smoking or drinking, clean living, 4 serie a titles, World Cup winner, CL finalist, Fifa team of the year Paul Pogba.
Every young player that ever speaks about him emphasises how inspirational and helpful he is, including those at other clubs, like Martinelli, but somehow Adam Lallana, known for attacking kids at U23 games, is a better role model than devout Muslim, non smoking or drinking, clean living, 4 serie a titles, World Cup winner, CL finalist, Fifa team of the year Paul Pogba.
So are all these former international football pundits also racist?
What about the black pundits who aren’t impressed with Pogba’s contribution during these 3 and half years?
(Do you know I don’t even like using the world black or white to describe a footballer or pundit because it makes no difference to me). If your shit your shit, if your taking the piss your taking the piss and if you want out get the feck out.
As someone who has been hugely disappointed by Pogba, I can still say that he is being targeted quite clearly in the media, and it seems it's open season. I doubt very much this would be the case if he was British.
Agree 100%, brilliant post.
It's pathetic really when you think about it, I can understand the mainstream media's motivation, which is, as usual, to sell their pointless rags to mindless idiots.
However the fact that our own supporters swallow it up and start booing him (despite as you said, him clearly being one of our better performers) is embarrassing, could you blame him anyway if he did want to leave?
So you never saw the press go to town on Beckham for a red card in the World Cup. They wanted him to never wear the England shirt again, pictures of effigies of him hanging on the front papers.
Some people are becoming offended on his behalf where he probably doesn’t give a shit.
Not heard any criticism from any of Pogbas current teammates at United, juve or France. All seems to come from the old boys club at United.
I want this club to be successful. I dont care if that's with or without Pogba, or anyone else for that matter.
It was way way over the top and probably exacerbated by a lot of resentment and jealousy, but it was about England. Quite different to the Pogba focus. Mind you, I don't think Pogba is innocent in all this. He's also publicly said how the team should be playing, where he should be playing and quite a few times I've felt like he's downed tools (Valencia, Everton come to mind). But of course, he divides opinion and some will see something totally different.
I just think if he was an English player with all the same baggage and turning out the same performances, he'd be treated with a lot more sensitivity.