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I think he needs to move on for himself as he's just going around in circles. A new challenge. He's done brilliantly at Spurs but he must be getting a bit fed up by now. Everything has a natural cycle.
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It's nice to see it in numbers like that as it makes what i was thinking for a while now more clear. He's done some good work overall but a special manager he is not. On his day he can beat anybody but he can also do the opposite and consistency is key. Tottenham have a much better squad then what those numbers would have you believe.League form this year:
Played 24
Won 9
Drawn 4
Lost 11
Points 31
That would have them finishing about 14th by my reckoning, and is over two thirds of a season.
Pochettino is the manager so it comes down on him regardless of how you want to spin it. He's doing a job there that would have him on the verge of the sack at any of the other top six...and that's if he was lucky enough not to have been sacked already.
The CL final has papered over a lot of issues.
Facts are Poch didn't have a great squad when he took over. He build the squad with very low funds.Ah yes lets ignore points about winning even a tiny cup with the quality players he has.... sure I don't mind you going in a different direct as its clear you have nothing to add there other than excuses.
Did you see pools squad when kloop tookover? ...not surprised spurs finish higher since spurs had a much better 11......Lets ignore Poch already had good players at spurs....I am sure he's never had any, right?....make excuses about not spending but ignore the fact that poch actually inherited/bought some really good players.
Level of delusion is strong with you.
I was discussing about it, but then you started giving sarcastic answers, why should I keep trying to have a discussion when you are not interested.You speak to your Dad like this?
I don't know what's got you in a hump. But i don't care.. so pour yourself a brandy and coke and go banter with someone else, unless you want to discuss Poch and Ole.
Ah yes... let ignore points which go against poch......again.Meh. Klopp without his money= no trophies.
What makes you think he has control over transfers? All his comments about transfer business has him positioned as simply the coachFacts are Poch didn't have a great squad when he took over. He build the squad with very low funds.
Meh. Klopp without his money= no trophies.
Before Poch came they had Clint Dempsey upfront and had Kane out on loan. That's how badly spurs were run.Ah yes... let ignore points which go against poch......again.
Enjoy your delusions.
Thinking similar, RM squad suits his abilities.Surely Madrid bound? Zidanes not lasting til Xmas.
It's not as binary as that. I would think before before writing a smart-ass response. Be ruthless if there is a manager who's taken us as far as possible and there is a much better version of him in terms of playing style then it would make sense to go for him. Upgrading, Solskjaer to Poch is much more seamless than Van Gaal to Jose.Like we did when we sacked LvG moments after he won the cup and appointed Mourinho - worked a treat.
London might be too far north for Southern softie EddieEddie Howe will replace him next season.
Before Poch came they had Clint Dempsey upfront and had Kane out on loan. That's how badly spurs were run.
Poch gave youth a chance. He built a good squad.
In your opinion, I’d rather give Ole a proper shot and be proved wrong than sell out a club legend and our soul with it then find out we got sold a pup or not.Upgrading, Solskjaer to Poch is much more seamless than Van Gaal to Jose.
Quick, sign him upOnly 2 points in their last 9 away PL games
Not his fault.Only 2 points in their last 9 away PL games
Klopp had Dortmund down the bottom for most of his last season.Not his fault.
Knowing the Glazers, Ole will still be here after two years of singing the Youth and passion anthem which will lead us nowhere. They will eventually get rid of him in his third year with minimised compensation.He'll replace Ole at the end of the season I reckon.
City got rid of a relatively successful manager when Pep came long.Our club is already labeled as a joke.
Now it seems we're going long term with Ole's project , and then you guys want sack him just to get poch.
Can't imagine what our club will be labeled after that.
They had been shopping for Pep since day one, employed his former bosses and bought his brother a football club so slightly longer term and dodgier planning.City got rid of a relatively successful manager when Pep came long.
Things change pretty fast in football.
My reply to a poster who ignores points against poch because he can't say anything other than make excuses is....... = one for being deluded enough to think poch is anywhere near klopp (dortmund) and = another one for ignoring points which go against poch and switching conversation then ignoring those points which go against poch....Pathetic.Klopp had Dortmund down the bottom for most of his last season.
Managers have a short lifecycle these days.
It looks like Pochs time at Spurs is near an end.
Madness or not. Tell me those achievements? He is playing good football and he is good manager but tell me what has he achieved more the Ole? What can he show for it beside some Manager of the Month prizes. What titles och cups can he show from Espanyol, Southampton and Tottenham?You are basing it on it's and buts yet asking for facts as to why Poch is the better manager? He has clearly achieved more in his career than Ole. It's madness to suggest otherwise.
Nope.My reply to a poster who ignores points against poch because he can't say anything other than make excuses is....... = one for being deluded enough to think poch is anywhere near klopp (dortmund) and = another one for ignoring points which go against poch and switching conversation then ignoring those points which go against poch....Pathetic.
Nope.
It's simply pointing out that all managers go through bad spells.
He a Utd legend don't you know we have to give him 20 years, it's the Utd way.Knowing the Glazers, Ole will still be here after two years of singing the Youth and passion anthem which will lead us nowhere. They will eventually get rid of him in his third year with minimised compensation.
In summer of 2015 if somebody told you that Poch would get Spurs into the CL for the next 4 seasons and a CL final it would be considered an outstanding success.Madness or not. Tell me those achievements? He is playing good football and he is good manager but tell me what has he achieved more the Ole? What can he show for it beside some Manager of the Month prizes. What titles och cups can he show from Espanyol, Southampton and Tottenham?
I'm still not saying that he is better or worse. I'm just arguing that you can't be sure that Poch is better then Ole.
(Have to wait until tommorow if you want reply, though I've posted my days limit. It is in mods hands if you get answer today )
Quite a few I’d sayIs there a more polarising subject on the caf than Poch’s ability as a manager?
Nah no way....everyone hates our own players/manager. They’re the least polarised subjectQuite a few I’d say
1. Ole
2. Pogba
3. Rashford
Sure there are more in the balance.
I like one and three, this may come as a shock to some on here but I’m not overly enamoured with Pogba though.Nah no way....everyone hates our own players/manager. They’re the least polarised subject
The obsession with Pochettino, particularly on here, is bizarre.It's nice to see it in numbers like that as it makes what i was thinking for a while now more clear. He's done some good work overall but a special manager he is not. On his day he can beat anybody but he can also do the opposite and consistency is key. Tottenham have a much better squad then what those numbers would have you believe.
For how long will this media image of being some sort of miracle worker world class manager continue?
He's achieved exactly the same as Ole if you judge managers purely by the braindead bar of 'what trophies have they won?' rather than actually assessing what work they've done at clubs. If you only consider winning something an achievement rather than how a manager helps a team progress then yes, to you Pochettino = completely unsuccessful. Luckily, most people have the capacity to look beyond such simplistic logic and can see Pochettino took a Spurs team languishing behind Everton and completely restructured the side, leading us to a top 4 finish pretty much every season, and giving us an incredible run to the CL final.Madness or not. Tell me those achievements? He is playing good football and he is good manager but tell me what has he achieved more the Ole? What can he show for it beside some Manager of the Month prizes. What titles och cups can he show from Espanyol, Southampton and Tottenham?
I'm still not saying that he is better or worse. I'm just arguing that you can't be sure that Poch is better then Ole.
(Have to wait until tommorow if you want reply, though I've posted my days limit. It is in mods hands if you get answer today )
You're taking Pochettino in his worst period at the club. People still rate him because of what he did before that. A manager can have a difficult year but still be rated and people can look at why he may be struggling at Spurs (stuck in a bit of a rut) and think that he would be more successful elsewhere.The obsession with Pochettino, particularly on here, is bizarre.
Ole has 8 more points over the same period plus whatever he gets from tomorrow. Chelsea have sacked their manager over the same period of games despite him doing better than Spurs (6 points better off) and winning a major trophy.
Getting to the CL final was a great journey for Tottenham but the league form has been horrendous for nearly a year and the performances have been poor for longer. It's in danger of doing them more harm than good as it's meant a blind eye has been turned to the results that are actually going to end up being more important.
You seriously gonna sack the manager because there's supposed to be a better manager to replace him, yet put him as his boss?If available, I wonder if Ole would be willing to get kicked upstairs (i.e. DoF) to let United sign Poch. It's not a situation I wouldn't mind, as OGS seems the type to think long term for the team. The current moves behind the scenes shows a long term vision, and Ole probably knows his managerial strengths & weaknesses.
Whether Poch is really as good as it seems, this season will be a good measure as it all seems to have gone stale. Can he get enough out of a team that 'may' be losing a bit of the unity & impetus that should have resulted in a few trophies? That he's needs to address players about forgetting about not moving on is rather problematic and could lead to some unwanted transfers. Team is good enough to get Top 4 but will take a great managerial effort to get there (assuming other teams don't bottle it).
The truth, only in the Utd bizarro world is anybody comparing Pochettino to Ole, he hasn't earned the right to be compared to the likes of Eddie Howe or Steve Bruce.He's achieved exactly the same as Ole if you judge managers purely by the braindead bar of 'what trophies have they won?' rather than actually assessing what work they've done at clubs. If you only consider winning something an achievement rather than how a manager helps a team progress then yes, to you Pochettino = completely unsuccessful. Luckily, most people have the capacity to look beyond such simplistic logic and can see Pochettino took a Spurs team languishing behind Everton and completely restructured the side, leading us to a top 4 finish pretty much every season, and giving us an incredible run to the CL final.
Obviously trophies are a big deal and had he won a few it would have really cemented his legacy, but any attempt to deny that he's achieved a great deal in terms of raising the clubs profile and the level we perform at, is simply being fecking blind. To compare what he's built at Spurs to Ole managing in the Norwegian league, failing at Cardiff and half a season with United .. what planet do you have to be on? Obviously Pochettino is the more accomplished and proven manager, and obviously everybody aside from United fans would choose Pochettino if they had to have either manager.