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I think it's safe to say that Madrid won't be in for him any time soon.
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Why does he face harsher criticism than others (by tour own admission), if there is no narrative or conspiracy?Bruno has played 20 games for us and he's getting no less than 8/10 based on his performances.
Pogba being voted in PFA team of the year last season got more ridicule than Henderson's POTY award this year. He had a monstrous 2.5 months when Ole joined and that happened to coincide with the voting period. After this he was the horrendous version of Pogba although the team as a whole was terrible.
I do agree that Pogba faces harsher criticism from rivals and pundits but if we are being objective Pogba hasn't delivered yet for us. He's not a flop but he's not really been great either. That's the real reason he's criticised, rather than any narrative or conspiracy.
Because he was signed for a world record transfer fee. Some of us thinks that matters and requires consistency of top level performance, which Pogba has consistency failed to deliver. Some loyalty towards the club would also help.Why does he face harsher criticism than others (by tour own admission), if there is no narrative or conspiracy?
What is? You've not put anything else forward other than he faces harsher criticism for being Paul Pogba...Bruno has played 20 games for us and he's getting no less than 8/10 based on his performances.
Pogba being voted in PFA team of the year last season got more ridicule than Henderson's POTY award this year. He had a monstrous 2.5 months when Ole joined and that happened to coincide with the voting period. After this he was the horrendous version of Pogba although the team as a whole was terrible.
I do agree that Pogba faces harsher criticism from rivals and pundits but if we are being objective Pogba hasn't delivered yet for us. He's not a flop but he's not really been great either. That's the real reason he's criticised, rather than any narrative or conspiracy.
Hmm, of course you want all the loyalty in the world while you slag off the player.Because he was signed for a world record transfer fee. Some of us thinks that matters and requires consistency of top level performance, which Pogba has consistency failed to deliver. Some loyalty towards the club would also help.
that’s my reason anyway.
This is always confusing to meHmm, of course you want all the loyalty in the world while you slag off the player.
And the fee is not of his making, and consistent top level performance is subjective. Like when one player is considered to be performing at a consistently top level than another even though they are both doing the same thing.
yeah, every conceivable excuse on speed dial from Pogba fans. Do you do brainstorms to come up with new ones?Hmm, of course you want all the loyalty in the world while you slag off the player.
And the fee is not of his making, and consistent top level performance is subjective. Like when one player is considered to be performing at a consistently top level than another even though they are both doing the same thing.
Oh shullup man.yeah, every conceivable excuse on speed dial from Pogba fans. Do you do brainstorms to come up with new ones?
Gonna be quite a fair bit of hate watching from some next season if we pull of signing Sancho. The potential sight of him and Pogba dancing together on the pitch will pop a few blood vessels on hereOh shullup man.
You're obviously somebody who would follow Pogba if he left. I wouldn't at all. My loyalty lies with the club alone. You also seem to think that our club exists purely to make Pogba look good. How about Pogba helps make our club look good?To summarise, we don’t want global superstars happy to sign contract after contract here while we languish in 6th and 7th. It's suspicious to say the least, to me anyway.
Imagine being a United supporter and dismissing the impact of Bruno like that. Bruno Fernandez in my opinion has contributed more to the club, squad and matchday in the last six months then Pogba has done in the last 4 years.Do you support Man United or just Pogba?
Nope. As soon as Pogba starts performing consistently as part of this team his biggest critics including myself will be jumping around singing his name. Football is just an escape for people and all sins are absolved when you rip it up on the pitch. There are no more excuses for Pogba now, put in the performances and dance away.Gonna be quite a fair bit of hate watching from some next season if we pull of signing Sancho. The potential sight of him and Pogba dancing together on the pitch will pop a few blood vessels on here
I am defending Paul in his thread it would have made more sense to ask if I support Anthony or Rashford seeing as I brought them up.Do you support Man United or just Pogba?
Well you mate need to clean the paint out of the scope of those binoculars you have been using for the past four years because that is utter tripe.Imagine being a United supporter and dismissing the impact of Bruno like that. Bruno Fernandez in my opinion has contributed more to the club, squad and matchday in the last six months then Pogba has done in the last 4 years.
Forgot that partAnd of course, ‘Class on Grass!’
Which in effect is exactly why so many don’t rate Pogba; evaluation of his performances seems to stem only from his poor United outings yet if we do as you say, there’s only one way to define Pogba - World bloody Class.He has 47 goals in his last 97 games as a AM and a lot as a no 8.. Thats a a strike rate that matches Martial and Rashford this season, spread over 3 seasons.
So yes, he is consistent. Thats goals only ffs, I havent even looked up assists.
He is the definition of consistency. Evaluating footballers doesnt begin and end with when a player joins Utd.
Perhaps you should take your own Specsavers referral then. If by ‘follow’ you mean ‘watch him play’ - then sure, he’s the type of player than any football fan would enjoy to watch play, as opposed to rival fans watching to see some hard running tackler play. Beyond that, he can do what he likes. I want players who want to come here to achieve things, not just for money. If Pogba was happy to stay last summer, that would raise some questions as to what he is driven by. Thankfully, to me, he has answered that question in a way that I like - in that he is driven by winning things, which means we are on the same page.You're obviously somebody who would follow Pogba if he left. I wouldn't at all. My loyalty lies with the club alone. You also seem to think that our club exists purely to make Pogba look good. How about Pogba helps make our club look good?
The burden of languishing in 6th or 7th falls much more greatly on world record transfer fee purchases or very high income earners. That's literally why he or Sanchez were signed: to elevate the squad. So when we 'languish', Pogba should take on his proportion of blame.
Sanchez was ostracised, humiliated and eventually off loaded. Pogba hasn't been so bad, but he has never delivered according to expectations. And yet he now seems to be demanding a pay rise just because he can't get an offer from covid19 economy affected clubs.
Clearly just a Pogba fanboy. Some of his points are laughable.Do you support Man United or just Pogba?
Didn’t Zidane say a month or so ago that there wouldn’t be any signings this summer ? They’re stuck with Bale too as he’s not going to leave unless they pay him his contract in full in revenge for Real stopping his transfer to China last minute by asking for a fee.Tweet
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I think it's safe to say that Madrid won't be in for him any time soon.
Because he has under-performed compared to expectations and his individual talent. Pogba has clearly not played to his full potential and that's why he's judged harshly. He's an experienced 27yo player who still hasn't managed to put it all together yet.Why does he face harsher criticism than others (by tour own admission), if there is no narrative or conspiracy?
This. There's a massive contradiction to his fan boys because they proclaim his greatness whilst often at the same time saying he shouldn't have to meet elevated expectations.Because he has under-performed compared to expectations and his individual talent. Pogba has clearly not played to his full potential and that's why he's judged harshly. He's an experienced 27yo player who still hasn't managed to put it all together yet.
Couldnt agree more with your opening paragraph. It cant be both ways, either he is world class and performs accordingly week in and week out or he isn't.This. There's a massive contradiction to his fan boys because they proclaim his greatness whilst often at the same time saying he shouldn't have to meet elevated expectations.
If you're rated as one of the best around then you have to put in the performances to show it. Any slip ups and he has too many will create an elevated level of criticism even if you're usually a solid 8/10.
I don't even think the level of criticism he faces is that bad. Is it any worse than the criticism Carrick got? Both excellent players but prone to errors and that impacted how they were judged.
He has though. This squad looks far better with Bruno's contribution than Pogba FC's. Prove me wrong.I am defending Paul in his thread it would have made more sense to ask if I support Anthony or Rashford seeing as I brought them up.
Try again.
Well you mate need to clean the paint out of the scope of those binoculars you have been using for the past four years because that is utter tripe.
Well that's good to hear because having your best players performing can only benefit the squad and the fanbase but it often feels like many actively root for certain players to fail so as to say I told you so once they've made their minds up on a player which I don't understand if you want to see the team succeed.Nope. As soon as Pogba starts performing consistently as part of this team his biggest critics including myself will be jumping around singing his name. Football is just an escape for people and all sins are absolved when you rip it up on the pitch. There are no more excuses for Pogba now, put in the performances and dance away.
This is nonsense by the way.Bruno Fernandez in my opinion has contributed more to the club, squad and matchday in the last six months then Pogba has done in the last 4 years.
I’ve come over all Benitez.Imagine being a United supporter and dismissing the impact of Bruno like that. Bruno Fernandez in my opinion has contributed more to the club, squad and matchday in the last six months then Pogba has done in the last 4 years.
He has 2 years of contract left. They can wait and snatch him for free or for cut price next year. Madrid and Barca don't mind doing it dirty. Fir example, telling player; "Don't sign new contract and we will sign you next year".Tweet
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It's a game of opinions and you call it as you see it. Supporters of this club have put up with enough shite with some of these players over the last few years. We are certainly on the right path but it remains to be seen if Paul Pogba will be part of that progression. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeing it that way. I'm of the opinion that we would do better with someone else in the long run. But like I said, we are all knuckle draggers when it comes to watching our teams for 90 minutes. If Pogba or anyone else in this squad applies themselves and gives us solid, mature and consistant performances then we don't have a problem.Well that's good to hear because having your best players performing can only benefit the squad and the fanbase but it often feels like many actively root for certain players to fail so as to say I told you so once they've made their minds up on a player which I don't understand if you want to see the team succeed.
Same with the notion of being a fanboy or branded as Martial/Pogba FC instead of a fan of the club if you don't hop on the bandwagon of wanting to tear down our own players at every turn. Weird that when the fortunes and form of our players directly affects the team as a whole.
With the wages Pogba is on, and the financial constraints they have, I doubt they would even afford the signing on fee let alone everything else involved in a free transfer.He has 2 years of contract left. They can wait and snatch him for free or for cut price next year. Madrid and Barca don't mind doing it dirty. Fir example, telling player; "Don't sign new contract and we will sign you next year".
They would have deal with Sancho already done if they were us
This squad has done very well with Pogba before and after his injury, mostly. I wont argue or downplay Bruno's contribution even if it's fashionable to do so all of a sudden, but if you disregard Pogba's injury and off the field bullshit with his agent attacking the manager he has actually been doing well under Ole so far. Realistically Ole has given Pogba the platform to put in the best performances at this club since his arrival, it's just unfortunate that it hasn't gathered momentum for a full season to prove his consistency, but I'd say it's certainly signs that it might come this season.He has though. This squad looks far better with Bruno's contribution than Pogba FC's. Prove me wrong.
In better news, this tweet Adidas released today makes me think his contract announcement is imminent.My God what a tiring thread - come on here to see if there is any news of note on his staying and instead find a bunch of back-and-forth posts tossing around words like Pogba F.C.
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I like the looks of that.In better news, this tweet Adidas released today makes me think his contract announcement is imminent.
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That's what I want to see!In better news, this tweet Adidas released today makes me think his contract announcement is imminent.
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