I think Suarez equals Henry in terms of peak quality. Suarez on his day is unstoppable.
Is Suarez in the same bracket as Henry? | If so, is he better?
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That would still be around 16 goals in 25 matches against stronger opponents, and he contributed a lot more than just goals. Liverpool have been around EL or midtable level for years and Suarez would have dragged them to a title if not for a slip.
That's the thing, I thought similar, that Suarez was just as good a player. The reply I got was "you don't remember how Henry was back then".
You can also argue to him that Henry did not stand out at Barcelona the same way Suarez did or that Suarez achieved more in the CL. At the end of the day you can nitpick criteria and one will inevitably comes higher or lower than the other in specific ones but overall, they both were/are game changers of the very highest order. Like I said in a previous post, only Fat Ronaldo was better than them.
Roughly same level for me. If I had the option of 1 in my team in their prime, it would be Henry every day, and not because Suarez is a cnut.
Henry was better than Suarez for me. For a forward of Suarez' calibre and stats, I don't think he has that much grace to his game. He literally just runs straight through players and his technique seems a bit messy to me. Similar to Tevez in that respect.
Henry was much more of an artist, far more beauty to his game, while still putting up great numbers too. The assists are also not to be forgotten.
Henry was much more of an artist, far more beauty to his game, while still putting up great numbers too. The assists are also not to be forgotten.
Can't emphasize this enough. Suarez dragged them to a place they had no business being at.
When Arsenal declined after the Invincible season, Henry couldn't do anything about it. Also had a trophyless season at Barca with a team that had Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Messi.
Compare 2011 Uruguay with 98-2000 France. No contest. Suarez all day, seven days a week.
I was too young to appreciate him then. Just recall thinking he was a god on the pitch. Youtubing compilations of fat Ronaldo now
Etoo?
You know that Zlatan's sportswear company is called A-Z. So named as it caters for all levels from Amateur to Zlatan.
Suarez is better striker, Henry is better player.
Suarez is better for me. Done more in Spain, and almost dragged the ghost of Steven Gerrard and a bunch of also rans to the title. Henry was in a better team at Arsenal, and didn't shine as much as Suarez has done when they were both in great Barca teams
Retired players are often mythologized and overrated. The forgettable parts of their careers are, well, forgotten. The great ones are exaggerated by nostalgia.
Henry was a more elegant graceful player, whereas Suarez plays like he's playing on the streets - he's more tenacious. Both equally exciting, but in different ways.
Henry reached a high level faster than Suarez, but Suarez' best is probably a tad better than Henry's best. I would still put them currently overall in the same bracket - but Suarez might surpass Henry in the next season or two.
Its a difficult choice - two unbelievably talented players.
Henry reached a high level faster than Suarez, but Suarez' best is probably a tad better than Henry's best. I would still put them currently overall in the same bracket - but Suarez might surpass Henry in the next season or two.
Its a difficult choice - two unbelievably talented players.
You literally ignored the part where I said I was comparing just their PL performances.
Refer to the bit where I state that Suarez' best PL season was better than Henry's.
True! Eto'o, Raùl and maybe Drogba could be added to that list I reckon. If Agüero had a better injury record and maybe trophy haul, I really think he would be higher on the list.
Pains me to say it cause I actually like Henry but Suarez might be a little better than Henry in his prime. Henry was definitely more graceful and easier on the eye so I still prefer watching him play. Plus Suarez is an absolute cnut and played for Liverpool.
At his best, I don't think there has been a more explosive, exciting god on the pitch since maybe Maradonna. I honestly think if it wasn't for the injuries and relatively less than stellar trophy haul, people would rank him higher than Messi. But that's for another thread I suppose.I was too young to appreciate him then. Just recall thinking he was a god on the pitch. Youtubing compilations of fat Ronaldo now
Henry purely for being less of a cnut, the only blemish on his career is the handball against Ireland.
Henry for me.
If we were to judge them based purely off what they achieved in England then I'd say Henry was easily the better player. If it were based on their whole careers then I'd say they are pretty even.
Same bracket yes. Probably very similar levels ability wise but Henry had raw pace which Suarez lacks, that gives Henry the edge for me.
Not saying Suarez is slow by the way. He isn't but he doesn't have electrifying pace like Henry did.
Not saying Suarez is slow by the way. He isn't but he doesn't have electrifying pace like Henry did.
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Suarez is the master of the failed bobbly nutmeg
Suarez is atleast on par with Henry. Both have been prolific scorers throughout their career. But at the age of 28, Suarez seems to have further upped his game and has arguably been Barcelona's best player. Henry's level started dropping at that age. I think this is because Henry relies more on pace than Suarez.
In my opinion, Henry has been the better player in the Premier League but overall Suarez edges it.
In my opinion, Henry has been the better player in the Premier League but overall Suarez edges it.
As for Premier League he is not even close to Henry's bracket. Laughable to even compare their PL careers. Henry defined a PL era and won a lot trophies along the way to a historic record breaking season. Suarez' accomplishments don't come anywhere near Henry.
As for overall, Suarez still has a lot to prove to be on Henry's level of accomplishments in a career. Henry's international black mark actually got his country into the World Cup. Suarez behaving like a rabid animal got his nation eliminated from the World Cup.
You might be able to argue that Suarez has the same talent level and potential as Henry but Henry has a far better mentality and far more career accompishments than Luis Suarez at this point in time.
As for overall, Suarez still has a lot to prove to be on Henry's level of accomplishments in a career. Henry's international black mark actually got his country into the World Cup. Suarez behaving like a rabid animal got his nation eliminated from the World Cup.
You might be able to argue that Suarez has the same talent level and potential as Henry but Henry has a far better mentality and far more career accompishments than Luis Suarez at this point in time.
About the same level. What Suarez did at liverpool was extremely impressive though, however we all know how henry embarrassed this league for years on end. As for Suarez's huge numbers at barca that henry didn't match, Henry never once played for a team that dominant in every aspect during his prime.
Henry for me. I think a lot of peeps forget just how good he was... I hated him. But secretly would have loved to see him at United. He was on the decline by the time he got to LL imo... Not a drastic decline but a decline none the less.
In terms of the average strikers goals per season in LL how does Suarez compare? How about the strikers playing for the top 2-3?
In terms of the average strikers goals per season in LL how does Suarez compare? How about the strikers playing for the top 2-3?
Suarez best season for Liverpool might just be the most overrated season ever.
He was very very good, don't get me wrong, but I've just seen it called the best individual season of the PL, which is such absolute bollocks.
In PL only, Henry was comfortably better.
He was very very good, don't get me wrong, but I've just seen it called the best individual season of the PL, which is such absolute bollocks.
In PL only, Henry was comfortably better.
i always ask myself if i had to pick one for United who would it be on football only then i would take Henry, Suarez tho has been in stunning form for barca but has no had international football during his time there which is a massive help to him, now he's back to that as well, we will see how he does this season, would say he should be a major contender for the Ballon d'or this year
Henry's legacy in the Premier League is far better than Suárez'. It is not even close. I think Suarez' peak level is higher than Henry's, but if Suárez were to retire now, I would say that Henry's career and legacy is greater. He has been performing at a high level in top leagues for longer. I do not think his peak level is significantly higher than Henry's to make up for that.
Suarez is definitely in the same bracket and imo the better player.
Suarez is a hard working player. He makes plenty of selfless runs behind the defense, hounds the opponent with the ball and is quality on the ball as well. I've not seen Henry do the dirty work Suarez does on a weekly basis.
But this being a United forum and Suarez having controversies in the past will stack the odds against him here
Suarez is a hard working player. He makes plenty of selfless runs behind the defense, hounds the opponent with the ball and is quality on the ball as well. I've not seen Henry do the dirty work Suarez does on a weekly basis.
But this being a United forum and Suarez having controversies in the past will stack the odds against him here
That's ignoring the bigger picture. In 02-03 Henry scored 32 goals in all comps AND got 23 assists setting the Premier league assist record. He contributed statistically to 55 goals that season which doesn't even capture Henry's true influence in that era. Suarez' best was only 12 assists? So while scoring around the same number of goals, Henry got about twice as many assists. Henry's best season was statistically superior to Suarez best and if we are just talking about Suarez' Liverpool years, Henry has several seasons better than Suarez best.
I've not seen Suarez display the leadership, professionalism, emotional control and intelligence that Henry has over the years. Never had to worry about Henry getting a red card for going rabid or making racist remarks.
In your first post, to which I replied about PL to which you replied about Suarez's last season.
Henry was part of one the most hated teams for United fans.
Henry was frighteningly good in the premier league. Every time we played Arsenal and he got the ball I would panic. How he never won the Balon dor I don't know.
Having said that Suarez at Liverpool was also daunting. Suarez at Barca wins for me though. He is a very close third to Messi and Ronaldo in terms of Bpitw.
Henry though was more enjoyable to watch imo. Maybe I'm biased because he is one of my favourite non united players ever even though he made me shit bricks on multiple occasions.
Having said that Suarez at Liverpool was also daunting. Suarez at Barca wins for me though. He is a very close third to Messi and Ronaldo in terms of Bpitw.
Henry though was more enjoyable to watch imo. Maybe I'm biased because he is one of my favourite non united players ever even though he made me shit bricks on multiple occasions.
I'd say it's very, very close. You could make a legitimate argument for either.
Henry's impact on our game (his combination play, selflessness, first touch and intelligence on the counter) were just as, if not, more important to us than his goals. He was an absolute whirlwind, did everything you could want an attacking player to do. Below is his assists over just two seasons of his career;