Is Suarez in the same bracket as Henry? | If so, is he better?
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It's pretty naive to think that he wasn't the main reason behind their attack. Having a player of that calibre turns a poor pass into a good one, an average cross into a goal and he finds your runs; which he did a lot for Sterling.
Suárez assisted 13 goals himself to go with his 31 goals.
I know it wasn't a poor Liverpool attack, but the goalkeeper, defence and midfield weren't of a high level. Gerrard did well in terms out end product. Having a player like Suárez making great runs makes it easier to play through balls and rack up assists.
They scored 52 goals the following season. 17 less goals for Sturridge, but that is still a vast difference without the presence of Suárez.
I think people underrate Suárez and don't give him the credit he deserves because of who he is. Shearer and Henry were two terrific players, but I believe that time only heightens a legacy. Suárez only left two years ago. I think that in about another 5 years, people will look back and realise how incredible he was that year.
1999/00 Sheva scored 24 goals out of 65 that Milan scored in the league. It's 4 more than Juventus conceded that year. Top scorer ahead of Batigol and Crespo, Bronze Ball. Defenders playing for the rival teams: Blanc, Zanetti, Panucci, Cannavaro, Thuram, Nesta, Ferrera, Montero etc. Their names won't change much over the next few years
00/01 Sheva scored 24 goals out of 56 that Milan scored in the league. Second goalscorer behind Crespo, Bronze Ball
03/04 Sheva scored 24 goals (lol) out of 65 that Milan scored in the league - that's exactly the amount Milan conceded that year and 5 more than Roma did, Ballon D'Or
And that's discounting him humiliating Barca while style playing in Ukraine, for example
I prefer Suarez.
I didn't say Henry didn't, just noting that 47% statistic is misleading.
Since when is attacking play only about goals, and even considering that if we take assists into consideration Henry is well ahead.
And I always feared Henry on the ball, while Suarez not so much. Also in terms of style Suarez is more of a fluker while Henry knew what he was doing.
Also Suarez is an abomination, and highlights the lack of morals in sport.
And I always feared Henry on the ball, while Suarez not so much. Also in terms of style Suarez is more of a fluker while Henry knew what he was doing.
Also Suarez is an abomination, and highlights the lack of morals in sport.
Not sure about this. Henry and Shearer's legacy relies a lot on their longevity. Suarez was only here a few seasons and struggled at first. If we're considering purely their contributions to the Premier League then Suarez's stature right now is as high as it's going to be, I reckon.
Right, but the point is that all 19 teams were put in front of him twice and 47% of his goals came against the bottom 4/19 teams. So yeah, it does matter who his goals came against when he had equal opportunity to score against all of them.
That said, it was still a fantastic season from a fantastic player. Your logic is just flawed in that particular statement.
Edit: I'm aware he missed three games but it doesn't change the general point even if those three were all against the top 3 teams, the stats are still skewed.
I honestly believe if Suarez wasn't a racist, biting menace, this would not even be a question.
He's certainly on track to beat Henry's career goal records by a good distance. He skins defenders as well as Henry. He carried Liverpool alone for a good while and was perpetually surrounded by a rubbish squad there, in comparison to Henry signing for an Arsenal side that had the likes of Bergkamp, Vieira, Adams and more. And he's been tearing it up at Barcelona, a team that has Messi and Neymar.
But he is a racist, biting menace. So no matter what he does in the footballing sense, he'll never have the class of Henry.
He's certainly on track to beat Henry's career goal records by a good distance. He skins defenders as well as Henry. He carried Liverpool alone for a good while and was perpetually surrounded by a rubbish squad there, in comparison to Henry signing for an Arsenal side that had the likes of Bergkamp, Vieira, Adams and more. And he's been tearing it up at Barcelona, a team that has Messi and Neymar.
But he is a racist, biting menace. So no matter what he does in the footballing sense, he'll never have the class of Henry.
A poll would certainly be interesting to see
Henry for me
Agreed with this, esp the bolded part. I'm not sure how much Barca's dominance plays into elevating his game-play and vice-versa (his movement off the ball, work rate etc) but Henry for Arsenal was something else - a talisman if you will - whereas Suarez at his peak for Barca is more of an all-rounded goalscorer. Of course, playing alongside the likes of Messi and Neymar means he can't possible enjoy the lion's share of the cake, like he did at Liverpool and he probably has to focus more on doing the dog's work and the goalscoring aspects of his game as opposed to the more talismanic role that he had with Liverpool. Tbf, it's also vital to take Suarez's body of work on the international stage into account, whereas Henry's was relatively underwhelming.
Anyway, I'd rate Henry as the better player and the more complete forward.
Agreed with this, esp the bolded part. I'm not sure how much Barca's dominance plays into elevating his game-play and vice-versa (his movement off the ball, work rate etc) but Henry for Arsenal was something else - a talisman if you will - whereas Suarez at his peak for Barca is more of an all-rounded goalscorer. Of course, playing alongside the likes of Messi and Neymar means he can't possible enjoy the lion's share of the cake, like he did at Liverpool and he probably has to focus more on doing the dog's work and the goalscoring aspects of his game as opposed to the more talismanic role that he had with Liverpool. Tbf, it's also vital to take Suarez's body of work on the international stage into account, whereas Henry's was relatively underwhelming.
Anyway, I'd rate Henry as the better player and the more complete forward.
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It's their goal records.
I don't think Suárez struggled. He joined a circus that was KK's Liverpool in late January, learned the ropes during the next next few months and then started to show his true ability.
I'd probably edge for Henry overall out of the two, but it's very close. Another couple of brilliant seasons at Barca and the consensus may swing to Suarez due to how prolific he's been.
And as for their PL careers, Suarez' 2013/14 season was incredible but it's arguable that some of Henry's best seasons like (off the top of my head) 02/03, 03/04 and 05/06 were as good as Suarez' in 13/14. Suarez did help to elevate Liverpool into being title contenders, but Henry was the star player of an unbeaten team, and he managed to score 24+ league goals in five consecutive seasons.
And as for their PL careers, Suarez' 2013/14 season was incredible but it's arguable that some of Henry's best seasons like (off the top of my head) 02/03, 03/04 and 05/06 were as good as Suarez' in 13/14. Suarez did help to elevate Liverpool into being title contenders, but Henry was the star player of an unbeaten team, and he managed to score 24+ league goals in five consecutive seasons.
I would say yes, Suarez is a wonderful player and has been flawless in the last 3-4 seasons. The only thing Henry has over him is that he had 7-8 great seasons, but Suarez will likely reach something similar.
I dare say that Suarez's top level might actually be higher than Henry's.
I dare say that Suarez's top level might actually be higher than Henry's.
I agree with BobbyManc here, if that was Ronaldo's record in the PL people would be calling him a flat track bully.
Personally despise Suárez but he is a phenomenal player. Is he better than Henry?
No. For me Thierry just shades it and that hurts to say.
Yes, he's an incredible footballer.
TH for me. Henry was very much the top man at Arsenal when they were winning stuff. They were much weaker when he didn't play. Also the other vote choice is Suarez.
Poll?
I really don't know what you are expecting here. Of course they are impressive numbers and that's why he is one of the best forwards over the past two decades. But I still find Suarez better. It's not just about the numbers for me. I think Suarez offers more and I think he has it more in him to win a game single handedly than Sheva ever did. To each his own I suppose.
Suarez' prime just started to begin in the PL, yet in a good Liverpool team he outperformed Henry's best season in England, who played for an Arsenal side that was one of the strongest the league has seen.
In Spain, Suarez bagged 59 goals last year in all comps, 20 more than Henry ever did and drawing comparison to the superhuman figures Messi and Ronaldo have put up in recent years.
It's clear to me that his top level is better than Henry's. Claims that Henry would have scored just as many in this Barca side are just ifs and buts - and Suarez scored more in England than Henry at his peak.
In Spain, Suarez bagged 59 goals last year in all comps, 20 more than Henry ever did and drawing comparison to the superhuman figures Messi and Ronaldo have put up in recent years.
It's clear to me that his top level is better than Henry's. Claims that Henry would have scored just as many in this Barca side are just ifs and buts - and Suarez scored more in England than Henry at his peak.
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Henry was never fed by Messi, Neymar and Iniesta though, that is going to push his total up a tad. And he didn't perform at that high a level the year before.
Henry went 5 seasons straight scoring 30+ and he still has the league assist record at 20 and always had a very assist number.
It's becoming close though, I really do rate Suarez very very highly.
It's irrelevant, Prime Henry never played with a Messi as number 10 and Neymar feeding him, he was past his best by the time he moved to Barce.
As for Suarez scoring more in 1 season, was he poor in all his other seasons then?
No he only won the title instead and yes dragged his team to to the title. We had a very good team, Henry was easily the best player we ever had.
BTW Liverpool/Sturridge were actually performing better when Suarez was out injured weren't they?
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Henry is the most productive and probably the best player to have played in the PL. He was not only scoring goals but providing assists as well in bundles. Don't think a full back or CB ever had him in his pocket in a game.
17 goals in his first two season in the league and 20+ in his next 5 including a 30 goal season. As good as Arsenal were in his time there their team was never as good as the current Barca attack. Pires and Ljungberg don't compare to Neymar or Suarez, Bergkamp maybe does.
17 goals in his first two season in the league and 20+ in his next 5 including a 30 goal season. As good as Arsenal were in his time there their team was never as good as the current Barca attack. Pires and Ljungberg don't compare to Neymar or Suarez, Bergkamp maybe does.
Which makes this the Messi v Maradona argument instead.
Same bracket, sure. Better? Nope.
Suarez will go down as one of the greatest strikers ever to play the game alongside Henry. However, I doubt he will ever match the influence and impact Henry had on the game.
One thing I would like to point is Henry assist record in the PL. Just think about how ridiculous that record is. It doesn't belong to assist specialists like Ozil, Silva and Fabregas, but Henry while also scoring goals for fun.
One thing I would like to point is Henry assist record in the PL. Just think about how ridiculous that record is. It doesn't belong to assist specialists like Ozil, Silva and Fabregas, but Henry while also scoring goals for fun.
Easily in the same bracket.
Tough to pick the better player. Can see arguments for both.
I will say though that I have a hard time seeing peak Henry outperform Messi and Ronaldo in a calendar year and I think Suarez has done just that this year.
Tough to pick the better player. Can see arguments for both.
I will say though that I have a hard time seeing peak Henry outperform Messi and Ronaldo in a calendar year and I think Suarez has done just that this year.
Suarez uttely miles better than Henry. Some players are world beaters in premier league but struggle in La Liga like Beckham. Henry was very average in La Liga. Suarez is practically Messi level over there now. No comparison at all with Henry who was an average left winger when he went there despite being a world beater at Arse
I preferred to watch Henry but Suarez is possibly the better player.
Henry is prettier to watch with the ball, but Suarez is the better player.
Henry was a big part of propelling Arsenal to win two PL titles, three FA Cups and reach one CL final.
Suarez helped Liverpool to midtable finishes with one title challenge where he disappeared against many of bigger teams.
Henry was a leader and consummate professional for Arsenal who led anti-racism efforts across Europe. Only his hand ball for France mars his legacy but even Maradona's Hand of God doesn't take away from his achievements.
Suarez was guilty of making racist remarks and biting others on three separate occasions earning bans, hurting his team both on the pitch and in team spirit off the pitch while demonstrating a severe lack of emotional maturity.
Henry - 121 minutes per PL goal for 175 PL goals + being the PL all-time season assist leader!
Suarez- 138 minutes per PL goal for 69 PL goals
I mean seriously, how is this even a topic? I can only assume some people never watched football during Henry's heyday
Suarez helped Liverpool to midtable finishes with one title challenge where he disappeared against many of bigger teams.
Henry was a leader and consummate professional for Arsenal who led anti-racism efforts across Europe. Only his hand ball for France mars his legacy but even Maradona's Hand of God doesn't take away from his achievements.
Suarez was guilty of making racist remarks and biting others on three separate occasions earning bans, hurting his team both on the pitch and in team spirit off the pitch while demonstrating a severe lack of emotional maturity.
Henry - 121 minutes per PL goal for 175 PL goals + being the PL all-time season assist leader!
Suarez- 138 minutes per PL goal for 69 PL goals
I mean seriously, how is this even a topic? I can only assume some people never watched football during Henry's heyday
Absolutely in the same bracket in terms of PL performance, and surpassing him currently.
Yes, same bracket. Other than the incomparable Ronnie, they are a class above every other player who has been in the premier league. Will be interesting to see how long Suarez maintains this level given that he will soon be 30. I fancy him to stay at his peak for another couple of years.
Henry played with Dennis Bergkamp, Suarez played with Jordan Henderson. Suarez still scored more goals without taking any penalties. Seems at least the same bracket to me.
Indeed. What's more shocking is people saying Suarez is levels above or "utterly miles better". It's truly bizarre.
This. At least for now. Henry's skill, variety of goals, and speed are something else.
They're both world class. As much as it pains me to admit.
Premier league - Henry is the PL's best player ever. Suarez is not even close.
Overall - Can't say right now.
Same bracket? No way. Suarez is a despicable d-bag.
Overall - Can't say right now.
Same bracket? No way. Suarez is a despicable d-bag.
No he isn't.
There's a certain Portuguese guy that would take that crown. I, of course, mean Bebe.
For me, Ronaldo didn't stay long enough. His first couple of seasons were about his development and then he decided to feck off shortly after he was ready to dominate this league. He had one great, one very good and three decent seasons. Henry was excellent in five or six seasons. Best attacking player this league has seen, imo.
