We are staring into the abyss.
Is the 'clear-out' just Glazer spin on us losing our best players...?
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
Absolutely.
I don't mind giving it a go. I have about as much credentials as the current lot. I'll send them my FM CV
Agree completely, but most of those players are on high wages or just got fresh new contracts. I'd be pleasantly shocked if we managed to get rid of more than three on that list.
The Wolves 11 who have finished below us?!
Were you out shopping when Pogba scored his 16 goals?
I'd take Nuno over Ole any day...
And that's not a hyperbole comment, I really would.
This isn't championship manager
We need to see what sort of players he brings in and how they play first.
How many of those were penalties? And yes, he's going. He has too much influence and doesn't use it for positive reasons.
I reckon you'd struggle with that in Football Manager to be fair! Either way, I'm that annoyed and tired with this squad, that's what I want to happen.This isn't championship manager
Fair play, that's your opinion.
For me, 5 months (and his previous managerial career) is enough to see what he can do - and I reckon Nuno is a better manager.
I could be wrong, and I respect your opinion.
If we don't at least buy starting right sided players, it will be time to truly question what is going on.
As literally everyone can see Young is our weakest starter, and we haven't had a proper right attacker in years.
We're bottom of the league when it comes to attacks started and goals scored from the right hand side. That says it all...
Time will tell, but no manager is fairly judged until he's had a chance to bring players in.
We don't know if this lull is the norm, a freak,or whether the hyped up period was the super never to happen again high.
Until he brings his own players in we can't judge, as half this team might be off, and know it.
It certainly can't be hard for teams to realise we have nothing that side.
Given what's just happened with our best players can things really get worse without them?
Even if the clear out is a spin on us selling our best players I honestly don't think that's a bad thing
Even if the clear out is a spin on us selling our best players I honestly don't think that's a bad thing
Cant see us selling too many unfortunately. We have been selling Darmian for the past 2 years and he its till here, event hough we only utilised him in the league for a grand total of 443 minutes this season. Something seriously not right at this club.
I'm not really bothered about our best players leaving if they want to leave.
What kills me is the dross staying year after year. The same players fall below any sort of acceptable standard for multiple seasons in a row and not only do we not ship them out, we reward them with contract extension.
What kills me is the dross staying year after year. The same players fall below any sort of acceptable standard for multiple seasons in a row and not only do we not ship them out, we reward them with contract extension.
They are "our best players" only compared to the rest of our awful players. They've still been mostly poor compared to actual top players. I wouldn't lose sleep over any or all of them leaving.
Fixed. Hes the only one that looks like a footballer here.
If a player is not happy here and wants to go, let him off. There is no room for players who don't give their all. Then I suppose we need to get rid of most.
Glazers don't spin anything, they don't say anything, the idea of a clear out is coming from fans, pundits ex professionals... everyone!
As for best players well our best player is Pogba, and he turns up maybe 1 game in 4 if we are lucky. Our second best player is De Gea who seems to have down tools becuase we won't pay him as much as Sanchez. And our highest earning player who most people on this forum where calling world class a year ago, but was actually a ageing winger looking for one massive-payoff on his way to retirement.
This isn't Glazer spin this is reality our squad is a complete mess, it needs a clear out, the whole footballing culture at united needs a back to square one rebuild.
As for best players well our best player is Pogba, and he turns up maybe 1 game in 4 if we are lucky. Our second best player is De Gea who seems to have down tools becuase we won't pay him as much as Sanchez. And our highest earning player who most people on this forum where calling world class a year ago, but was actually a ageing winger looking for one massive-payoff on his way to retirement.
This isn't Glazer spin this is reality our squad is a complete mess, it needs a clear out, the whole footballing culture at united needs a back to square one rebuild.
I think our "clear out" will happen not because we want it but because some players are probably fed up playing for a shite team and will force a move/wont extend contracts. Of course Ed will brief the media that it's us who are getting rid of them but I think it's quite the opposite. The ones who are hopelessly shit (Jones, Young, Rojo, Lingard) will stay because they know their next club would be some relegation fodder and we are more than happy offering them new contracts.
And this is why foreign players will continue to be unsettled. The club is past the time when it's British players were super talented and deserved to be the core of the team. Now they are all poor and overpayed and have no reason to be in the first team yet get preferential treatment. The foreign players see this, they know this and that's why some are never going to stay here witnessing such nonsense. Have we ever sold any English player since Welbeck who Arsenal just disposed off? I struggle to remember.
Think we usually only seem to get rid of young players. Jones, Young and Smalling are on a cushy number.
There will be no clear out, at least not to the level that some are expecting. There has never been one in the past there is unlikely to be one now. Its just not how it works.
The biggest summer of players going out that I remember is when we let Hughes, Ince and Kanchelskis go at the end of 1995, and that was largely because of the talent coming through at that time.
Unfortunately we are stuck with a few of this lot for a while yet.
The biggest summer of players going out that I remember is when we let Hughes, Ince and Kanchelskis go at the end of 1995, and that was largely because of the talent coming through at that time.
Unfortunately we are stuck with a few of this lot for a while yet.
We're probably looking at Pogba and DdG going. Also Lukaku and Herrara. And they will all be playing a lot better and for more money when they go. Our club has become toxic. The Glazers need to go.
You can even do one better: was Ole hired to perform the 'clear out' much like 'interim/temporary CEOs' get hired to perform mass-layoffs?
And then resign for the new manager to come in and rebuild?
Yes that's usually what happens when they do something like that. They do it to minimize animosity towards the then-succeeding executive. AKA he's not the dude that fired everyone.
Not that I believe that's what's going on here, but the Glazers and Woodward will be very familiar with the practice.
I was stating this in other thread don’t be surprised if we see young, jones , smalling , Lingard, mata etc stay and the good players being thrown out.
We should have a good idea of who he wants to get rid when we see the starting line up for the Cardiff game
Good observation, OP. I think it is a real worry that we could see many of the better members of our squad leave, which means spinning our wheels as much of the deadwood is retained just to avoid excessive turnover. Pogba and De Gea commiting would be the best early news for that reason. If they go, then our squad is almost certainly weaker headed into next season, no matter what likely happens. Herrera is readily replaceable though in my opinion.
How are posts like this from new members of the forum getting through? An interesting opening post gets immediately mired in shit and poorly written posts.
Most definitely. I expect the rubbish players to stay because they know how good they have it here whilst the good players will be leaving the sinking, stinking ship.
I do apologise that my meagre opinion doesn't sit in line with yours Mr Top Red.
How can I fix this terrible issue?
Perhaps we should all share same view as your own extremely important and apparently correct opinion?
Yes, that's it, we'll all think the same then we can all be happy, the answer to world peace right here before our eyes.
It's a forum mate. You don't like what I'm saying? Scroll on.
Never thought this day will come for us. Sad times really.
I’d love to know the chain of command at the club, for example when a manager gets the sack is it just a chat between Woody and the Glazers?
Glazers—>Woody—>Manager
If so then there is no hope of anything changing anytime soon.
I wouldn’t even give the Glazers credit for putting a spin on it!
Glazers—>Woody—>Manager
If so then there is no hope of anything changing anytime soon.
I wouldn’t even give the Glazers credit for putting a spin on it!
Our player arent shite. None of them are really shite. Watch pogba suddenly turns out world class if he moves to madrid.
If you genuinely think every player in our squad is "equally useless" and that's all you have to offer to the discussion, then I don't need to say anything further.