I would take Lou Macari, Steve Coppell, Gordon Hill, Martin Buchan, Stuart Pearson, Sammy McIlroy, Brian Greenhoff, Kevin Moran, Gerry Daly, David McCreery and Alex Stepney over any of our current squad with the exception of Ronaldo who might not be the player he was but at least he was a player!
Is this the worst it's been?
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I agree with you about ETH, but not with this squad, none of them look like they can bothered. We need a wholesale clear out, and if we take a loss in transfer fees, so be it.
In living memory, yes. Unless your a 50+ year old grumpy old git.
Incredibly, we can look at next week's match against Liverpool now as a six pointer.
If we beat them (please withhold your laughter) we will be above Liverpool in the table and we could, if other results go the right way, send Liverpool to the bottom of the table. But if they beat us we'll be on zero points at the bottom of the table unless Everton or West Ham lose by massive goal difference.
If we beat them (please withhold your laughter) we will be above Liverpool in the table and we could, if other results go the right way, send Liverpool to the bottom of the table. But if they beat us we'll be on zero points at the bottom of the table unless Everton or West Ham lose by massive goal difference.
Exactly. Letting this bunch leave on a free is preferable to keeping them. They actually are making a negative contribution. A lot of them just aren't trying.
Can’t argue with that. They would at least surely show a million times more fight.
I am , so no its not.
Relegation was hard, Atkinson and Sexton era was hard to watch.
But were we relegated because we simply had really bad players, or was the entire club being run in to the ground, with players not giving a toss, like now?
I can kinda accept lack of ability if the effort is there. But what we're seeing with United at present is disgraceful
5 wins in our last 21 competitive games. It's atrocious.
This is as bad as it’s been since fergie left.. and it’s going to get worse guys. Hold on to your hats.
Something will give though.. eventually enough people will flip and it’s going to get real ugly.
Something will give though.. eventually enough people will flip and it’s going to get real ugly.
Yes
What highlights how bad it is for me is when you see teams like Fulham, Brentford, Brighton, Southampton who are all stronger in several areas of the pitch than United are.
If McFred both signed for Wolves, for example, they probably wouldn't start together half as much as they do for United.
United's team is just so so weak. I can't work out why they have gone into this season without a CM, even if Pogba had stayed..
If McFred both signed for Wolves, for example, they probably wouldn't start together half as much as they do for United.
United's team is just so so weak. I can't work out why they have gone into this season without a CM, even if Pogba had stayed..
Ask again in a month’s time? We have had a diabolical start to the season but I recall a couple of awful stretches under LvG or even the end of Ole’s reign. LvG’s second season the squad was so thin we were playing academy kids that didn’t belong in the PL and somehow still managed to squeeze out 5th place.
It's so bad I've cancelled Star+ and got myself a season ticket to go watch my local team in the Uruguayan league instead.
It's dog shit quality but the players give their all and it's a fun day out with the kids instead of them watching me scream at the telly.
See you next season guys.
It's dog shit quality but the players give their all and it's a fun day out with the kids instead of them watching me scream at the telly.
See you next season guys.
100% the worst it has been.
Inexperienced clowns in the club hierarchy, a coach that seems incredibly naive and has overestimated the squad.
The Glazers are still scum, as usual.
Can't sign anyone. Can't sell anyone.
Dysfunctional, poisonous dressing room with players who aren't even fundamentally footballers - I'm looking at Fernandes and Rashford, in particular.
We're evidently on a tight budget despite coming off of our worst season in years.
This is 100% the worst its been.
Inexperienced clowns in the club hierarchy, a coach that seems incredibly naive and has overestimated the squad.
The Glazers are still scum, as usual.
Can't sign anyone. Can't sell anyone.
Dysfunctional, poisonous dressing room with players who aren't even fundamentally footballers - I'm looking at Fernandes and Rashford, in particular.
We're evidently on a tight budget despite coming off of our worst season in years.
This is 100% the worst its been.
100% not the worst ever.
Relegation, Tommy Doc , Ron Atkinson , Dave Sexton , 1 would was only interested in shagging staff member wife , one who thought he was Champagne, when in fact he was luck warm piss in a paper cup and Sexton who was just shit.
Players on interested in going on the piss.
Those in charge were not better than those now, but I will admit Martin Edwards was OK
We are not good now, but it can get a whole lot worse.
Ronaldo now , would not get a game with these.
I genuinely forgot it was this bad, scrubbed from the memory banks
My father is from the former Yugoslavia and we watched Sir Alex Ferguson's last game in charge together. He told me, "this is like the day Tito died".
Little did I know the following decade would be almost as bleak for United as the 1980s were for the former Yugoslav republics.
Little did I know the following decade would be almost as bleak for United as the 1980s were for the former Yugoslav republics.
This is by far the worst Manchester United team I have seen. In teams of the past, I get the feeling of attachment to some of the players but with this one its like the players have no character. Right now, I'm finding it to really hard to enjoy watching our matches. I'm currently just watching out of feeling obligation to do so. It's a very bad feeling when you watch other teams, even those that will fight not to get relegated and you enjoy watching their match but you hate watching the club you love.
Fergie's first half of a season was pretty poor in a far less competitive league so we really need to give ETH a chance. In saying that we have the most incompetent senior figures within the club that I've ever known.
I'll be surprised if we beat that tally after 17 games this season. Said without an ounce of doubt sadly.
I'm tempted to say yes. At least since the late 80's or early 90's.
When Mourinho and Ole collapsed it was at the very least conceivable that it was mainly the fault of the manager. And after Moyes got sacked we still had a dressing room full of winners, albeit old or in decline.
What do we have now? Our only lifeline is Ten Hag turning out to be a magician and the possibility of bringing in some good players(and undoubtedly overpaying) in the next 2 weeks. I have no faith in the latter and there is only so much a manager can do.
When Mourinho and Ole collapsed it was at the very least conceivable that it was mainly the fault of the manager. And after Moyes got sacked we still had a dressing room full of winners, albeit old or in decline.
What do we have now? Our only lifeline is Ten Hag turning out to be a magician and the possibility of bringing in some good players(and undoubtedly overpaying) in the next 2 weeks. I have no faith in the latter and there is only so much a manager can do.
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I agree, at his present level they would run him off the field, but I was going on the assumption of takking the players I named, including Ronaldo, at their best.
ETH has to be given a chance to form his own team and style of play, but most of those who strolled around Brentfords pitch on Sunday do not deserve any more chances, their stay in the Last Chance Saloon was up months ago.
Trouble is there's no one to replace them in the eyes of our banter club, therefore we are forced to field those same failing players
Why not play the youngsters? They can hold the fort until recruitments arrive and lets face it they cant be any worse than the dross which started against Brighton and Brentford!
0 points in 2 games heading for Liverpool? Yeah pretty much
I would agree but their argument will be that youngsters shouldn't be thrown in like this
The growing danger of board setting his manager up to play whole season without half decent holding midfielder or any player who won't crack under pressure in deep midfield, just tells you where we are.
Who would argue they shouldnt be "thrown in", the board? The board has proved over the last 8/9 years that when it comes to football they havent got a clue. If our board was to say that night follows day I would have to check it!
Its as bad as i've ever know in 40 years of supporting United.
Whilst the 70s and 80s teams may not have been as good, at least the fans had a bond and connection with the players.
I'd just throw the kids in now. We may well lose more than we win but at least they'll give 100% and the fans would back them. We may even find some really step up to the plate.
I doubt anyone would be disappointed if we never saw Maguire, Shaw, McTominay, Dalot, Bruno, Ronaldo, Martial and Rashford in a United shirt ever again.
Whilst the 70s and 80s teams may not have been as good, at least the fans had a bond and connection with the players.
I'd just throw the kids in now. We may well lose more than we win but at least they'll give 100% and the fans would back them. We may even find some really step up to the plate.
I doubt anyone would be disappointed if we never saw Maguire, Shaw, McTominay, Dalot, Bruno, Ronaldo, Martial and Rashford in a United shirt ever again.
Yes, It's considerably the worst it's been but I imagine that's amplified by social media. Would Ferguson have stayed in his job the first few years with social media around? Probably not.
Why its worse now is because we can visibly see players giving up, complaining and gesticulating and its really tough to know that one of the greatest players ever is so disenfranchised with what is going on at the club that he cannot even pull himself together to be an example to younger players. We have had worse players, worse managers, but the culture of the club has never been as low as it is now. Anyone expecting that to change in the next few years is far detached from reality. We won't be anywhere near major honors the rest of this decade in my opinion.
Why its worse now is because we can visibly see players giving up, complaining and gesticulating and its really tough to know that one of the greatest players ever is so disenfranchised with what is going on at the club that he cannot even pull himself together to be an example to younger players. We have had worse players, worse managers, but the culture of the club has never been as low as it is now. Anyone expecting that to change in the next few years is far detached from reality. We won't be anywhere near major honors the rest of this decade in my opinion.
He played for FC Twente. Does Erik Ten Hag know? he might be interested (Dave Sexton never should have sold him, it was a big mistake).
Just trying to make some people chuckle by-the-way, I'm not having a dig.
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Which country excactly? Im croatian and my mother told me something similar about Titos death and my dad certainly (nor did I) didnt take lightly 2013. I suppose we all should be greatful becasue I sense Fergie would have considered leaving in 2012 if not for the Agueeeeero crap that happened. He then signed RVP and gave us another great season that was only tarnished because of the Nani robbery aldo I dont think we were good enough to beat both Borussia and Bayern. The old man would at least have a shot
If ten Hag knows that Arnautovic used to play for Twente, I’m sure he at least has an inkling that Gordon Hill did as well!
Disclaimer: I know he managed Arnautovic at Twente
