Kakeru
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Yep. While I despise ISIS as much as I would espise Nazis, I also want that shitc*** regime to die already.Well look on the bright side, at least the ammo will end up fighting Assad.
Yep. While I despise ISIS as much as I would espise Nazis, I also want that shitc*** regime to die already.Well look on the bright side, at least the ammo will end up fighting Assad.
There seems to be comparatively few people in Syria with any desire to fight for democracy, as opposed to their ethnic group or religion or Assad, I'm not even sure about the 'free syrian army'. Up to them of course, but I can't help thinking the West is trying to back a side that doesn't exist.This morning's map:
The West is definitely backing a side, but its certainly not 'free' or interested in secular values or democracy.There seems to be comparatively few people in Syria with any desire to fight for democracy, as opposed to their ethnic group or religion or Assad, I'm not even sure about the 'free syrian army'. Up to them of course, but I can't help thinking the West is trying to back a side that doesn't exist.
Turkey warns US and Russia against backing the Kurds in Syria
ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey has warned the United States and Russia it will not tolerate Kurdish territorial gains by Kurdish militia close to its frontiers in north-western Syria, two senior officials said.
"This is clear cut for us and there is no joking about it," one official said of the possibility of Syrian Kurdish militia crossing the Euphrates to extend control along Turkish borders from Iraq's Kurdistan region towards the Mediterranean coast.
Turkey fears advances by Kurdish YPG militia, backed by its PYD political wing, on the Syrian side of its 900 km (560-mile) border will fuel separatist ambitions among Kurds in its own southeastern territories. But Washington has supported YPG fighters as an effective force in combating Islamic State.
"The PYD has been getting closer with both the United States and Russia of late. We view the PYD as a terrorist group and we want all countries to consider the consequences of their cooperation," one of the Turkish officials said.
Turkey suspects Russia, which launched air strikes in Syria two weeks ago, has also been lending support to the YPG and PYD.
"With support from Russia, the PYD is trying to capture land between Jarablus and Azaz, going west of the Euphrates. We will never accept this," the official said.
He said Turkey had raised its concerns at high level meetings with the US, European Union and Russia.
The officials did not say what action, if any, Turkey might take if YPG forces crossed the Euphrates. Ankara has carried out air strikes against Turkish Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) rebels based in the mountains of northern Iraq; but attacks on Kurds in Syria would be far riskier, bringing Ankara into possible conflict both with US and Russian air forces.
The YPG said on Monday it had joined forces with Arab rebels and that their new alliance has been promised fresh weapon supplies by the United States for an assault on Islamic State forces in what is effectively their capital, Raqqa.
That's precisely the reason why they're bricking it. ISIS are pretty much the main buffer between Turkey and Kurdish state aspirations, ISIS falling would be a tragic blow for Erdogan."With support from Russia, the PYD is trying to capture land between Jarablus and Azaz, going west of the Euphrates. We will never accept this," the official said.
Capturing that area would remove the IS from its last border crossing with Turkey.
Having said that, I think the Kurds would be silly to try and take it.
Yeah pretty much, but it's also precisely the reason the Kurds should leave it alone, as taking it would surely bring down the wrath of the Turkish state on them even more. Also it's a very mixed area where Kurds are not a majority, taking it would bring them into conflict with the other rebels who, whatever you think of them, have some degree of legitimacy with the local Arab population there. The Kurds want to link the Afrin canton with the rest, but if they try I think it could be the start of their downfall.That's precisely the reason why they're bricking it. ISIS are pretty much the main buffer between Turkey and Kurdish state aspirations, ISIS falling would be a tragic blow for Erdogan.
Assuming the Arab population there isn't sympathetic to IS, then I don't see why there'd be tension if the Kurds were to liberate it. Its not like they're The Syrian Army. If they were sympathetic to IS then I find it hard to empathise with their neglected representation.Yeah pretty much, but it's also precisely the reason the Kurds should leave it alone, as taking it would surely bring down the wrath of the Turkish state on them even more. Also it's a very mixed area where Kurds are not a majority, taking it would bring them into conflict with the other rebels who, whatever you think of them, have some degree of legitimacy with the local Arab population there. The Kurds want to link the Afrin canton with the rest, but if they try I think it could be the start of their downfall.
I think the other rebel groups see it as rightfully theirs (Ahrar al-Sham are currently facing the IS on the other side), and I'm not sure the local Arab population would disagree. I've seen more than one argument between Syrian Arabs and Kurds on Twitter over this issue, and I have to say, the Kurdish notion that they can extend all the way across didn't strike me as realistic.Assuming the Arab population there isn't sympathetic to IS, then I don't see why there'd be tension if the Kurds were to liberate it. Its not like they're The Syrian Army. If they were sympathetic to IS then I find it hard to empathise with their neglected representation.
I think the sentiments go beyond Erdogan and its actually something that permeates Turkish society as a whole. It doesn't matter who is in charge, those anti kurdish feelings will always be there.Well the Kurds essentially have a choice between taking the fight further south to Al-Shaddadeh on the Eastern front, or fight towards creating that northern corridor which as you say will probably provoke a shitstorm from the Sultan Caliph across the border.
While anti-Kurdish sentiment may exist in Turkey, I don't believe the Turkish people would be too opposed to the idea of a Kurdish state. The increasing popularity of the HDP in Turkey is testament to that.I think the sentiments go beyond Erdogan and its actually something that permeates Turkish society as a whole. It doesn't matter who is in charge, those anti kurdish feelings will always be there.
Yeah the nationalist alternatives to Erdogan the CHP and MHP are likely no more amenable to the idea of Kurdish autonomy in Syria than the AKP, probably less so.I think the sentiments go beyond Erdogan and its actually something that permeates Turkish society as a whole. It doesn't matter who is in charge, those anti kurdish feelings will always be there.
Whats the ethnic breakdown for those who voted HDP? Because i'm sure Turkish nationalists won't be too happy with the secession of south east Turkey (considering how the Turkish modern state came about based on hardline Turkish Identity)While anti-Kurdish sentiment may exist in Turkey, I don't believe the Turkish people would be too opposed to the idea of a Kurdish state. The increasing popularity of the HDP in Turkey is testament to that.
Erdogan is probably disliked more than any Kurdish leader amongst secular Turks.
Not entirely sure, perhaps the resident Turks here could give a better insight.Whats the ethnic breakdown for those who voted HDP? Because i'm sure Turkish nationalists won't be too happy with the secession of south east Turkey (considering how the Turkish modern state came about based on hardline Turkish Identity)
Which party banged up Abdullah Öcalan?Yeah the nationalist alternatives to Erdogan the CHP and MHP are likely no more amenable to the idea of Kurdish autonomy in Syria than the AKP, probably less so.
I presume the CHP.Which party banged up Abdullah Öcalan?
That's always the case, The US made a deal in 1990 to hand Lebanon to the same regime it's fighting now. Foget about people dying, let's see how much money we can make.US and Russia will end up coming to some form of agreement sharing the booty in Syria. Maybe split the country between supporters of Assad and Sunnis #justafeeling
And the Kurds? Do they just draw the short straw again?US and Russia will end up coming to some form of agreement sharing the booty in Syria. Maybe split the country between supporters of Assad and Sunnis #justafeeling
Are they not Syrians and Sunnis?And the Kurds? Do they just draw the short straw again?
If it were that simple they wouldn't have seen the need to mobilise as a seperate Kurdish opposition.Are they not Syrians and Sunnis?
Try telling that to the Kurds who've been horribly mistreated by pretty much every other Middle Eastern nation. Its not nationalistic to ask for a homeland, its their given right at this point of time.Nationalism is paganism.
I suppose there are a lot of pagans in pakistan thenNationalism is paganism.
Much more actually. Al-Siniyah and Albujwari have been cleared too. Baiji looks as good as lost for ISIS now, although it will need some time to be totally cleared.Yep, the militias have taken back the Baji oil field. Not been a good month for ISIS and Al Nusra.
Perhaps because it's controlled by ISIS in their territory and supplies ISIS with electricity?Why do Americans bomb power plants? Is ISIS the biggest electricity provider in the Aleppo area?
http://sana.sy/en/?p=58236
What about the people that still live there?Perhaps because it's controlled by ISIS in their territory and supplies ISIS with electricity?
http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/28834/Regime_ISIS_Agree_Share_Electricity_Aleppo_Countryside/
Losing power > being hit by barrel bombs from Assad or Russian cluster bombs. Also, they had been without power for an extended period before the ISIS/Syrian agreement to reactivate it. Now they'll be in the same situation as the rebels who are cut off from power.What about the people that still live there?